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The best rebuild trades I've seen so far
« on: January 21, 2012, 08:48:05 PM »

Offline LarBrd33

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I've read most of the ideas you guys have shared.  So far these are the best I've seen.

#1 - Paul Pierce to Indiana for Paul George or a 1st round pick... preferably both (Amundson can be included from Indiana as cap filler since he expires).

Why?:  Gets Pierce off our books next year and we get a prospect out of it.  Pierce makes 16.7 mil next year... George makes 2.6 mil.  Frees up an additional 14 mil in cap space giving us something like 34-38 mil in cap space in the offseason.


#2a -  Ray to Chicago for Kyle Korver, CJ Watson and a 1st rounder (probably a late 1st rounder)

Why?:  Korver and Watson have unguaranteed contracts (Korver has only 500k guaranteed next year)... so they will not be on our books next year.  If we can get a 1st rounder for Ray we might as well.


#2b - Ray to Utah for their 10 mil trade exception (from trading Okur) and one of the following:  1st rounder (probably a late 1st rounder), Kanter, Favors or Hayward.  

Why?:  Get a young prospect or 1st rounder for giving Ray to Utah.


So far I haven't seen anything realistic/reasonable involving KG.  Best to just hang onto him to be a mentor, buy him out so he can join a contender or give him the opportunity to have an early retirement.   That's pretty much it.
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Re: The best rebuild trades I've seen so far
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2012, 09:04:34 PM »

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i'd so the indiana deal in a second we'd probably have to throw in a pick but i think they value george more than they do granger at this point cuz of his contract

i dont see that happening

i hate the chicago deal for us becuase exactley how does that help us in the future? we get another late 1st rounder when were probably going to have 2 mid-late 1st's anyway

i like the ray to utah deal they would probably give us hayward
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Re: The best rebuild trades I've seen so far
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2012, 09:15:08 PM »

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Quote from: LarBrd33 on January 21, 2012, 08:48:05 PM
I've read most of the ideas you guys have shared.  So far these are the best I've seen.

#1 - Paul Pierce to Indiana for Paul George or a 1st round pick... preferably both (Amundson can be included from Indiana as cap filler since he expires).

Why?:  Gets Pierce off our books next year and we get a prospect out of it.  Pierce makes 16.7 mil next year... George makes 2.6 mil.  Frees up an additional 14 mil in cap space giving us something like 34-38 mil in cap space in the offseason.


#2a -  Ray to Chicago for Kyle Korver, CJ Watson and a 1st rounder (probably a late 1st rounder)

Why?:  Korver and Watson have unguaranteed contracts (Korver has only 500k guaranteed next year)... so they will not be on our books next year.  If we can get a 1st rounder for Ray we might as well.


#2b - Ray to Utah for their 10 mil trade exception (from trading Okur) and one of the following:  1st rounder (probably a late 1st rounder), Kanter, Favors or Hayward. 

Why?:  Get a young prospect or 1st rounder for giving Ray to Utah.


So far I haven't seen anything realistic/reasonable involving KG.  Best to just hang onto him to be a mentor, buy him out so he can join a contender or give him the opportunity to have an early retirement.   That's pretty much it.


Ray's got a 15% trade kicker.  Don't think he'll fit the Okur exception.
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Re: The best rebuild trades I've seen so far
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2012, 09:15:53 PM »

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Quote from: stylo617617 on January 21, 2012, 09:04:34 PM
i'd so the indiana deal in a second we'd probably have to throw in a pick but i think they value george more than they do granger at this point cuz of his contract

i dont see that happening

i hate the chicago deal for us becuase exactley how does that help us in the future? we get another late 1st rounder when were probably going to have 2 mid-late 1st's anyway

i like the ray to utah deal they would probably give us hayward
Chicago also owns the Bobcats 1st rounder (protected) that they could include instead:

"Bulls receive the Bobcats' 2012 first-round pick (top 14 protected in 2012, top 12 protected in 2013, top 10 protected in 2014, top 8 protected in 2015, unprotected in 2016) (Tyrus Thomas trade 02-18-10)"
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Re: The best rebuild trades I've seen so far
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2012, 09:20:15 PM »

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if we can trade the big 3 and at the end of the day get Paul George, Ryan Anderson(or JSmoove) and maybe even another first I'll be happy.
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Re: The best rebuild trades I've seen so far
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2012, 09:20:32 PM »

Offline LarBrd33

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Quote from: snively on January 21, 2012, 09:15:08 PM
Quote from: LarBrd33 on January 21, 2012, 08:48:05 PM
I've read most of the ideas you guys have shared.  So far these are the best I've seen.

#1 - Paul Pierce to Indiana for Paul George or a 1st round pick... preferably both (Amundson can be included from Indiana as cap filler since he expires).

Why?:  Gets Pierce off our books next year and we get a prospect out of it.  Pierce makes 16.7 mil next year... George makes 2.6 mil.  Frees up an additional 14 mil in cap space giving us something like 34-38 mil in cap space in the offseason.


#2a -  Ray to Chicago for Kyle Korver, CJ Watson and a 1st rounder (probably a late 1st rounder)

Why?:  Korver and Watson have unguaranteed contracts (Korver has only 500k guaranteed next year)... so they will not be on our books next year.  If we can get a 1st rounder for Ray we might as well.


#2b - Ray to Utah for their 10 mil trade exception (from trading Okur) and one of the following:  1st rounder (probably a late 1st rounder), Kanter, Favors or Hayward. 

Why?:  Get a young prospect or 1st rounder for giving Ray to Utah.


So far I haven't seen anything realistic/reasonable involving KG.  Best to just hang onto him to be a mentor, buy him out so he can join a contender or give him the opportunity to have an early retirement.   That's pretty much it.


Ray's got a 15% trade kicker.  Don't think he'll fit the Okur exception.
The Utah exception is actually for 10.9 mil... looks like it would work.
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2012, 11:23:15 PM »

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I can't see Utah trading for Ray.

They already have a log-jam at the two spot with Gordon Hayward, CJ Miles and Raja Bell.
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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2012, 11:46:03 PM »

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Quote from: Who on January 21, 2012, 11:23:15 PM
I can't see Utah trading for Ray.

They already have a log-jam at the two spot with Gordon Hayward, CJ Miles and Raja Bell.

To be fair, Raja Bell shouldn't really count on that list.  He's been terrrrrible.
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Re: The best rebuild trades I've seen so far
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2012, 12:08:06 AM »

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Quote from: Who on January 21, 2012, 11:23:15 PM
I can't see Utah trading for Ray.

They already have a log-jam at the two spot with Gordon Hayward, CJ Miles and Raja Bell.

Agreed. I could see them wanting an upgrade at the 3, though. Not that PP is a great fit.
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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2012, 04:11:11 AM »

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I don't understand how Indiana gives up a young kid who's on 3.5 million for an aging veteran on 16 million...
Is Pierce that much better than George at this stage of his career?
We would have to give up Pierce and some other very valuable stuff to get George- he's the future of their franchise.
Why on earth do they trade him?

When thinking these trades up, do people consider what the other team's fanbase/management would think at the idea?
If I was an Indiana fan I'd vomit at the thought of George for Pierce.
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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2012, 05:01:00 AM »

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Quote from: chambers on January 22, 2012, 04:11:11 AM
I don't understand how Indiana gives up a young kid who's on 3.5 million for an aging veteran on 16 million...
Is Pierce that much better than George at this stage of his career?
We would have to give up Pierce and some other very valuable stuff to get George- he's the future of their franchise.
Why on earth do they trade him?

When thinking these trades up, do people consider what the other team's fanbase/management would think at the idea?
If I was an Indiana fan I'd vomit at the thought of George for Pierce.

Not happening. Most of these trade proposals are ludicrous, this one included. Indiana is already paying a small forward $12M.
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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2012, 05:08:13 AM »

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Quote from: chambers on January 22, 2012, 04:11:11 AM
I don't understand how Indiana gives up a young kid who's on 3.5 million for an aging veteran on 16 million...
Is Pierce that much better than George at this stage of his career?
We would have to give up Pierce and some other very valuable stuff to get George- he's the future of their franchise.
Why on earth do they trade him?

When thinking these trades up, do people consider what the other team's fanbase/management would think at the idea?
If I was an Indiana fan I'd vomit at the thought of George for Pierce.

This. I just laugh at the ridiculous trade proposal on this blog. The only trade that made me interested is the Jazz proposal.
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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2012, 05:15:57 AM »

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Why not make a thread with all good ideas? Would like that to happen.
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« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2012, 08:15:51 AM »

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Quote from: chambers on January 22, 2012, 04:11:11 AM
I don't understand how Indiana gives up a young kid who's on 3.5 million for an aging veteran on 16 million...
Is Pierce that much better than George at this stage of his career?
We would have to give up Pierce and some other very valuable stuff to get George- he's the future of their franchise.
Why on earth do they trade him?

When thinking these trades up, do people consider what the other team's fanbase/management would think at the idea?
If I was an Indiana fan I'd vomit at the thought of George for Pierce.

It happens a lot when a team thinks it's close and wants to win now. In fact, some of our current players have been involved in similar type of deals before.

* A young promising JO traded from Portland to Indy for Antonio Davis.

* Ray Allen trade in which the C's gave up the #5 pick (Green) and Delonte West. At the time, Allen's ankles were a major issue and most thought he only had 1 or 2 years left.

* KG trade where we traded Big Al, amongst other young players. Let's not forget that the majority were against that trade for the very reasons you mentioned above.
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« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2012, 08:23:32 AM »

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Not happening. Most of these trade proposals are ludicrous, this one included. Indiana is already paying a small forward $12M.
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I have no idea why players are labeled with these positions tags. In the NBA you basically have 3 positions- bigs, wings, and point guards. There are very few traditional  centers, so most teams have 4's playing that spot. As for Granger, do you think a Pierce/Granger tandem would not work? If so, why? Both can shoot the ball and create spacing. Granger can defend shooting guards. Plus, that tandem would present a lot of teams matchup problems with their size.
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