rondo injury?

[Celtics18]

He's "day-to-day". Hopefully he's fine, we need him.


PPG 15.0
RPG 5.1
APG 9.4
STLPG 1.7

just wait the rondo haters are going to say we'll play better without him 

I don't remember anyone on this blog ever saying we'll play better without Rondo. Which is different from the notion that he's not capable of being the alpha dog on a contending team, to which many subscribe.

Please refer to the 2010 playoffs for an example of Rondo being the alpha dog on a contending team.

[The MadLad]

RR brusied his vajaja. he'll be fine after someone pulls him aside and strokes his ego a little bit.

[BballTim]

He's "day-to-day". Hopefully he's fine, we need him.


PPG 15.0
RPG 5.1
APG 9.4
STLPG 1.7

just wait the rondo haters are going to say we'll play better without him 

I don't remember anyone on this blog ever saying we'll play better without Rondo. Which is different from the notion that he's not capable of being the alpha dog on a contending team, to which many subscribe.

  I'd say a significant number of posters feel that Rondo's a huge liability on offense, so one would expect most of them would expect improvements on that end of the court.

[nickagneta]

The on court/off court stats for Rondo might be the most staggering in the league regarding a player's worth to their team's offense.

When Rondo is on the court, the C's score 106.7 points per 100 possessions.

When Rondo is off the court, the C's score 86.3 points per 100 possessions.

That's a whopping +20.4 points per 100 possessions difference.

WOW!!!

They are also 3 points per 100 possessions better when he is on the court versus off the court defensively.

Anyone claiming that the C's are better off without Rondo on the court or that he hinders the Celtics offense just is not paying attention to what is happening on the court this season.

[The MadLad]

The on court/off court stats for Rondo might be the most staggering in the league regarding a player's worth to their team's offense.

When Rondo is on the court, the C's score 106.7 points per 100 possessions.

When Rondo is off the court, the C's score 86.3 points per 100 possessions.

That's a whopping +20.4 points per 100 possessions difference.

WOW!!!

They are also 3 points per 100 possessions better when he is on the court versus off the court defensively.

Anyone claiming that the C's are better off without Rondo on the court or that he hinders the Celtics offense just is not paying attention to what is happening on the court this season.

to your last line...i am not one of those people, ...this year. but i do believe that (more so last yr and at times in all years)...that RR inability to shoot really does hinder the offense. and its not only his shooting, or lack of. its also his role in our offense. he just kind of stands around the top of the key a lot and keeps the spacing of the offense off balanced. there are times when he will make the first pass to PP, then stand there looking to get it back. ray comes off a screen, but now RR is standing in between Pp and ray. hes only 5ft away from ray and 8 ft from PP. this awful spacing really throws a wrench into the works.
stuff like that is my problem with RR.
since im airing my issues with RR, here are a couple others...he doesn't finish around the rim, holds the ball too much, plays bad 1on1 defense, (and imo) he often has an attitude that comes off as childish and immature.

[The MadLad]

oh, i forgot....RR is having a very good year thus far. but i think this is a result of RR being the focal point of the offense this year. and i dont think that is by design. i (again, im not in the locker room, so its imo) think that instead of waiting for our half court off to develop, hes just creating his own offense. which would produce great individual numbers at the expense of the team. but im not even sure if i can blame him for that, there are clearly other factors that make our offense not as effective as in the past..age, RR is going 100 mph while the rest of them are going 80mph, lack of scoring from the block, did i mention age?
i dont think RR is our #1 problem by any means. but looking at the roster, i dont think he fits in well with a team trying to run this half-court offense. also, the quickest way to fix this would be trading him for a pg whos style is a better fit and RR has the most trade value. just my opinion.

[nickagneta]

The on court/off court stats for Rondo might be the most staggering in the league regarding a player's worth to their team's offense.

When Rondo is on the court, the C's score 106.7 points per 100 possessions.

When Rondo is off the court, the C's score 86.3 points per 100 possessions.

That's a whopping +20.4 points per 100 possessions difference.

WOW!!!

They are also 3 points per 100 possessions better when he is on the court versus off the court defensively.

Anyone claiming that the C's are better off without Rondo on the court or that he hinders the Celtics offense just is not paying attention to what is happening on the court this season.

to your last line...i am not one of those people, ...this year. but i do believe that (more so last yr and at times in all years)...that RR inability to shoot really does hinder the offense. and its not only his shooting, or lack of. its also his role in our offense. he just kind of stands around the top of the key a lot and keeps the spacing of the offense off balanced. there are times when he will make the first pass to PP, then stand there looking to get it back. ray comes off a screen, but now RR is standing in between Pp and ray. hes only 5ft away from ray and 8 ft from PP. this awful spacing really throws a wrench into the works.
stuff like that is my problem with RR.
since im airing my issues with RR, here are a couple others...he doesn't finish around the rim, holds the ball too much, plays bad 1on1 defense, (and imo) he often has an attitude that comes off as childish and immature.

How can it be said that a PG that can't shoot but has a career FG% over 50% is not a good finisher at the rim. On the contrary, I would say he might be one of the best finishers around the rim.

Also, last year's on court off court numbers don't agree with your theory about Rondo hindering the offense. It was a +9.5 last year.

I would also say multiple All-Defensive Team awards and coming in 2nd for Defensive Player of the Year would probably make your claim regarding his defense to be off as well.

[The MadLad]

nick, thats fair. im just going by what my eyes see. i respect your opinion.
imo, he is constantly getting to the rim and missing scoop shots or some other unconventional shot. most of the pg in the league finish much stronger around the rim.
for defense, again, its what i see. RR gets a lot of steals and def rebs. but he isnt a strong defender 1on1. maybe westbrook dominating him is still too fresh in my mind? it seems like pg's are constantly going right around him for lay-ups. that was certainly the case vs IND+OKC recently. but ive been Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ing about that for years now. 

[nickagneta]

nick, thats fair. im just going by what my eyes see. i respect your opinion.
imo, he is constantly getting to the rim and missing scoop shots or some other unconventional shot. most of the pg in the league finish much stronger around the rim.
for defense, again, its what i see. RR gets a lot of steals and def rebs. but he isnt a strong defender 1on1. maybe westbrook dominating him is still too fresh in my mind? it seems like pg's are constantly going right around him for lay-ups. that was certainly the case vs IND+OKC recently. but ive been ****ing about that for years now. 

Doc and KG have mentioned that Rondo gambles too much on defense. I agree that there are times when PGs are just going by him and it happens too often. I'm not sure that is the quality of his offense as much as Rondo it is Rondo gambling on a steal or poke or just being lazy on defense to either save himself for the offensive end or because he's not mentally prepared that night.

That kind of works into your argument regarding his maturity and attitude which, as much as I love Rondo, I have to admit, is part of his makeup.

[PosImpos]

The on court/off court stats for Rondo might be the most staggering in the league regarding a player's worth to their team's offense.

When Rondo is on the court, the C's score 106.7 points per 100 possessions.

When Rondo is off the court, the C's score 86.3 points per 100 possessions.

That's a whopping +20.4 points per 100 possessions difference.

WOW!!!

They are also 3 points per 100 possessions better when he is on the court versus off the court defensively.

Anyone claiming that the C's are better off without Rondo on the court or that he hinders the Celtics offense just is not paying attention to what is happening on the court this season.

Rondo is absolutely integral to our offense for a couple of reasons:

1. Nobody else on the team can reliably create their own shot anymore, so they need a passer to find them for good looks.

2. We don't have a legitimate backup ball handler, so when Rondo is off the court, there is no passer who can consistently create looks for others, or even be trusted to find the open man with a good pass.

I would say, therefore, that in part those differential numbers are a function of just how great an effect Rondo has on our offense as a passer, as a tempo-setter, and as a player who puts pressure on the opposing defense by driving inside.  However, another big part of it is just the current makeup of our team and Rondo's role on it.  

What I'm getting at is that just because Rondo helps our offense greatly doesn't mean it wouldn't be a lot better if he could spread the floor or at least have a credible pull-up jumper.  It's just a testament to how great Rondo is at so many other things that he still lifts the team up so much despite his lack of a reliable jumpshot.

[CelticsFanNC]

    If Rondo misses anything more then a game or two this team is in big trouble.  They struggle to score now with Rondo having a hand in close to half of their offense.  Flaws or not this team cannot survive without Rondo. 

[PosImpos]

    If Rondo misses anything more then a game or two this team is in big trouble.  They struggle to score now with Rondo having a hand in close to half of their offense.  Flaws or not this team cannot survive without Rondo. 

Yeah, I shudder to think what the offense would look like without Rondo playing at all.

[action781]

Rondo staying down on the ground for a long time after hits is beginning to become pretty typical of him...

I've never been so hurt that I physically couldn't get up for 5 minutes after a hit and am kicking my foot in apparent pain, but then I'm ok to keep playing without coming out of the game.  The only times I've seen players stay on the ground for 5+ minutes in my life involve torn ligaments that require surgery or severe ankle sprains that require crutches.

[vinnie]

So looks like we get to see Avery Bradley start tomorrow night.  Almost a guaranteed loss. Now Rondo is day-to-day.  Dooling is also day-to-day and if he doesn't play tomorrow night, I believe it will be his fifth missed game. Also, Rondo  supposedly had an MRI late today. Hope the results are negative. Avery Bradley starting at point is kind of an embarrassment.

[BASS_THUMPER]

not a bad thing..

let see if avery steps up his game