Nuggets as trading partners for PP? China connection?

[csfansince60s]

In the Wojo thread a few people proffered Denver as a potential trading partner for PP.

I like the idea of the Nuggets as a trading partner, using S&Ts with the China connection players.

Something like Pierce and Dooling for Andre Miller, a S&Td Wilson Chandler, a S&Td JR Smith a S&Td Kenyon Martin and throw in the Birdman.

In effect, the Nuggets get Dooling and Pierce for Andre Miller and Chris Anderson.

We need Miller and Anderson until the reinforcements come back from China in March.

[PosImpos]

In the Wojo thread a few people proffered Denver as a potential trading partner for PP.

I like the idea of the Nuggets as a trading partner, using S&Ts with the China connection players.

Something like Pierce and Dooling for Andre Miller, a S&Td Wilson Chandler, a S&Td JR Smith a S&Td Kenyon Martin and throw in the Birdman.

In effect, the Nuggets get Dooling and Pierce for Andre Miller and Chris Anderson.

We need Miller and Anderson until the reinforcements come back from China in March.

The only purpose, in my mind, of trading Pierce is to begin the rebuilding process, unless somehow you can turn Pierce into an even better scoring option.  

While in theory the team would be much more balanced after the trade you propose, I think they'd lack a go-to option even more than they do now.  Also, getting the guys from China so late in the season would mean that there'd be almost no time to build chemistry and get used to playing with one another.  Not likely to result in a great playoff performance.

As for moving forward, not too interested in J.R. Smith, Chandler, and Birdman as rebuilding pieces.  Also, Andre Miller has already stated great dissatisfaction with backing up Ty Lawson.  I'm sure he'd be even more fed up playing 10-12 minutes a game behind Rondo.

[theswitch]

Definitely interested in S&T for Chandler.

[byennie]

I could see Chandler in there, but JR Smith and Kenyon Martin? No thanks on overpaying those guys (and you know they aren't coming cheap).

[csfansince60s]

I could see Chandler in there, but JR Smith and Kenyon Martin? No thanks on overpaying those guys (and you know they aren't coming cheap).

Martin would be on a one year (this year) deal only for cheap and Smith and Chandler could be given 3 years (including this year)and both will expire the same time Pierce would've as would Birdman. A.Miller expires this year.

[csfansince60s]

In the Wojo thread a few people proffered Denver as a potential trading partner for PP.

I like the idea of the Nuggets as a trading partner, using S&Ts with the China connection players.

Something like Pierce and Dooling for Andre Miller, a S&Td Wilson Chandler, a S&Td JR Smith a S&Td Kenyon Martin and throw in the Birdman.

In effect, the Nuggets get Dooling and Pierce for Andre Miller and Chris Anderson.

We need Miller and Anderson until the reinforcements come back from China in March.

The only purpose, in my mind, of trading Pierce is to begin the rebuilding process, unless somehow you can turn Pierce into an even better scoring option.  

While in theory the team would be much more balanced after the trade you propose, I think they'd lack a go-to option even more than they do now.  Also, getting the guys from China so late in the season would mean that there'd be almost no time to build chemistry and get used to playing with one another.  Not likely to result in a great playoff performance.

As for moving forward, not too interested in J.R. Smith, Chandler, and Birdman as rebuilding pieces.  Also, Andre Miller has already stated great dissatisfaction with backing up Ty Lawson.  I'm sure he'd be even more fed up playing 10-12 minutes a game behind Rondo.

Agree about the timing coming back from China and the likely lack of chemistry issues. I'd take the chance.

Keep Miller happy by playing him at the 2 as the Ray sub paired with RR and the minutes backing up RR. I'd rather A. Miller than Dooling. Great at the pick and roll and deadly hitting that midrange shot.

Pietrus would have to start at the 3 and MD back him up, or vice versa.

I'm sure that there would be a market for both JR and W. Chandler after this season, if they don't seem like part of the future.

Birdman gives us immediate help at the 4/5.

[nickagneta]

Kind of a ridiculous notion don't you think?

1. Pierce's and Dooling's combined salary add up to a bit more than $17 million while Miller's and Anderson's combined salary add up to a bit over $11 million. What exactly do you think you are going to sign those three free agents for that are going to equal money that still keeps this trade in the realm of fitting into NBA CBA regarding salary?

2. I don't think any of those players can sign a contract until March, when the Chinese basketball season ends, which would make this a trade terribly close to the deadline.

3. Martin and Smith are unrestricted free agents and the only way you get to sign and trade them is if they really really want to come to Boston and will be overpaid. If they are overpaid, chances are the trade doesn't add up due to salaries.

4. Chandler is a restricted free agent whose qualifying offer is $3 million. Are you ready to throw him a contract for more money than the MLE at long years to retain his services? If you do, do you really think there is any chance that you can still fit Martin and Smith into this trade financially? Does Chandler even want to come to Boston when he can just accept the QO and then go UFA the year after(Not sure of the rules. I guess that Chandler would have to put in an entire season for Denver not just a few weeks so that year might not be until 2013-14).
 
5. Does Denver want Pierce given how well Gallinari has been playing in their up tempo scheme, a scheme we see that Pierce is not good in?

[Tr1boy]

The only guy i really want from denver would be gallinari.

He is going to be a special player soon. I wonder if Denver would bite if Gallinari doesn't flinch at their extension offer.

[csfansince60s]

Kind of a ridiculous notion don't you think?

1. Pierce's and Dooling's combined salary add up to a bit more than $17 million while Miller's and Anderson's combined salary add up to a bit over $11 million. What exactly do you think you are going to sign those three free agents for that are going to equal money that still keeps this trade in the realm of fitting into NBA CBA regarding salary?

2. I don't think any of those players can sign a contract until March, when the Chinese basketball season ends, which would make this a trade terribly close to the deadline.

3. Martin and Smith are unrestricted free agents and the only way you get to sign and trade them is if they really really want to come to Boston and will be overpaid. If they are overpaid, chances are the trade doesn't add up due to salaries.

4. Chandler is a restricted free agent whose qualifying offer is $3 million. Are you ready to throw him a contract for more money than the MLE at long years to retain his services? If you do, do you really think there is any chance that you can still fit Martin and Smith into this trade financially? Does Chandler even want to come to Boston when he can just accept the QO and then go UFA the year after(Not sure of the rules. I guess that Chandler would have to put in an entire season for Denver not just a few weeks so that year might not be until 2013-14).
 
5. Does Denver want Pierce given how well Gallinari has been playing in their up tempo scheme, a scheme we see that Pierce is not good in?

"Ridiculous" as in "causing or worthy of ridicule  or derision; absurd; preposterous; laughable", all pretty derogatory characterizations, don't you think?

1. Throw in JO's salary. Now we are closer.

2.Correct about the timeline. I think it's worth the chance.

3.I'll take Smith, KMart would be nice, but is not a necessity, so forget about his $$ unless he comes for cheap for the rest of the year, which he probably wouldn't.

4.Give Chandler a 2 year at or slightly above MLE(3 including the rest of this year)and he's better off than if he took the QO: more $$ and free at the same time he would've been with the QO. It works for us, because he would expire when Pierce would've.

5.Pierce is STILL a game-changer, a leader with championship experience who can still D up and is tougher than Gallinari. Very few teams wouldn't want Pierce now.

[nickagneta]

Kind of a ridiculous notion don't you think?

1. Pierce's and Dooling's combined salary add up to a bit more than $17 million while Miller's and Anderson's combined salary add up to a bit over $11 million. What exactly do you think you are going to sign those three free agents for that are going to equal money that still keeps this trade in the realm of fitting into NBA CBA regarding salary?

2. I don't think any of those players can sign a contract until March, when the Chinese basketball season ends, which would make this a trade terribly close to the deadline.

3. Martin and Smith are unrestricted free agents and the only way you get to sign and trade them is if they really really want to come to Boston and will be overpaid. If they are overpaid, chances are the trade doesn't add up due to salaries.

4. Chandler is a restricted free agent whose qualifying offer is $3 million. Are you ready to throw him a contract for more money than the MLE at long years to retain his services? If you do, do you really think there is any chance that you can still fit Martin and Smith into this trade financially? Does Chandler even want to come to Boston when he can just accept the QO and then go UFA the year after(Not sure of the rules. I guess that Chandler would have to put in an entire season for Denver not just a few weeks so that year might not be until 2013-14).
 
5. Does Denver want Pierce given how well Gallinari has been playing in their up tempo scheme, a scheme we see that Pierce is not good in?

"Ridiculous" as in "causing or worthy of ridicule  or derision; absurd; preposterous; laughable", all pretty derogatory characterizations, don't you think?

1. Throw in JO's salary. Now we are closer.

2.Correct about the timeline. I think it's worth the chance.

3.I'll take Smith, KMart would be nice, but is not a necessity, so forget about his $$ unless he comes for cheap for the rest of the year, which he probably wouldn't.

4.Give Chandler a 2 year at or slightly above MLE(3 including the rest of this year)and he's better off than if he took the QO: more $$ and free at the same time he would've been with the QO. It works for us, because he would expire when Pierce would've.

5.Pierce is STILL a game-changer, a leader with championship experience who can still D up and is tougher than Gallinari. Very few teams wouldn't want Pierce now.

I don't know where you got that definition of ridiculous but the one I know of is nonsensical, unreasonable, unbelievable or absurd.

The trade makes no sense. The chances of one S&T is tough. The chances of three in one trade are nearly impossible. The money didn't follow the rules and Denver has put there SF future in Danilo Gallinari.

Add that all up and the trade makes no sense.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ridiculous
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ridiculous

[csfansince60s]

Kind of a ridiculous notion don't you think?

1. Pierce's and Dooling's combined salary add up to a bit more than $17 million while Miller's and Anderson's combined salary add up to a bit over $11 million. What exactly do you think you are going to sign those three free agents for that are going to equal money that still keeps this trade in the realm of fitting into NBA CBA regarding salary?

2. I don't think any of those players can sign a contract until March, when the Chinese basketball season ends, which would make this a trade terribly close to the deadline.

3. Martin and Smith are unrestricted free agents and the only way you get to sign and trade them is if they really really want to come to Boston and will be overpaid. If they are overpaid, chances are the trade doesn't add up due to salaries.

4. Chandler is a restricted free agent whose qualifying offer is $3 million. Are you ready to throw him a contract for more money than the MLE at long years to retain his services? If you do, do you really think there is any chance that you can still fit Martin and Smith into this trade financially? Does Chandler even want to come to Boston when he can just accept the QO and then go UFA the year after(Not sure of the rules. I guess that Chandler would have to put in an entire season for Denver not just a few weeks so that year might not be until 2013-14).
 
5. Does Denver want Pierce given how well Gallinari has been playing in their up tempo scheme, a scheme we see that Pierce is not good in?

"Ridiculous" as in "causing or worthy of ridicule  or derision; absurd; preposterous; laughable", all pretty derogatory characterizations, don't you think?

1. Throw in JO's salary. Now we are closer.

2.Correct about the timeline. I think it's worth the chance.

3.I'll take Smith, KMart would be nice, but is not a necessity, so forget about his $$ unless he comes for cheap for the rest of the year, which he probably wouldn't.

4.Give Chandler a 2 year at or slightly above MLE(3 including the rest of this year)and he's better off than if he took the QO: more $$ and free at the same time he would've been with the QO. It works for us, because he would expire when Pierce would've.

5.Pierce is STILL a game-changer, a leader with championship experience who can still D up and is tougher than Gallinari. Very few teams wouldn't want Pierce now.

I don't know where you got that definition of ridiculous but the one I know of is nonsensical, unreasonable, unbelievable or absurd.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ridiculous

Check your own link above:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ridiculous

...under adjective. That's where I got the definition.

Only makes sense that when the base word for ridiculous is ridicule, implicit in that is that something or someone is causing or worthy of ridicule.

[nickagneta]

Kind of a ridiculous notion don't you think?

1. Pierce's and Dooling's combined salary add up to a bit more than $17 million while Miller's and Anderson's combined salary add up to a bit over $11 million. What exactly do you think you are going to sign those three free agents for that are going to equal money that still keeps this trade in the realm of fitting into NBA CBA regarding salary?

2. I don't think any of those players can sign a contract until March, when the Chinese basketball season ends, which would make this a trade terribly close to the deadline.

3. Martin and Smith are unrestricted free agents and the only way you get to sign and trade them is if they really really want to come to Boston and will be overpaid. If they are overpaid, chances are the trade doesn't add up due to salaries.

4. Chandler is a restricted free agent whose qualifying offer is $3 million. Are you ready to throw him a contract for more money than the MLE at long years to retain his services? If you do, do you really think there is any chance that you can still fit Martin and Smith into this trade financially? Does Chandler even want to come to Boston when he can just accept the QO and then go UFA the year after(Not sure of the rules. I guess that Chandler would have to put in an entire season for Denver not just a few weeks so that year might not be until 2013-14).
 
5. Does Denver want Pierce given how well Gallinari has been playing in their up tempo scheme, a scheme we see that Pierce is not good in?

"Ridiculous" as in "causing or worthy of ridicule  or derision; absurd; preposterous; laughable", all pretty derogatory characterizations, don't you think?

1. Throw in JO's salary. Now we are closer.

2.Correct about the timeline. I think it's worth the chance.

3.I'll take Smith, KMart would be nice, but is not a necessity, so forget about his $$ unless he comes for cheap for the rest of the year, which he probably wouldn't.

4.Give Chandler a 2 year at or slightly above MLE(3 including the rest of this year)and he's better off than if he took the QO: more $$ and free at the same time he would've been with the QO. It works for us, because he would expire when Pierce would've.

5.Pierce is STILL a game-changer, a leader with championship experience who can still D up and is tougher than Gallinari. Very few teams wouldn't want Pierce now.

I don't know where you got that definition of ridiculous but the one I know of is nonsensical, unreasonable, unbelievable or absurd.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ridiculous

Check your own link above:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ridiculous

...under adjective. That's where I got the definition.

Only makes sense that when the base word for ridiculous is ridicule, implicit in that is that something or someone is causing or worthy of ridicule.

Alright...whatever...I didn't mean to insult you. The trade isn't ridiculous.

The trade makes no sense.
The trade is so extremely improbable to the point of being impossible.
The trade doesn't conform to any known rules of the CBA.
The trade isn't similar to any trade ever made in the history of the league.
The trade is not logical for Denver and is unreasonable to think that they would go through the trouble of negotiating three sign and trades to make it.

Is that better?

[csfansince60s]

thanks......also, I do appreciate your insight and honesty

[Who]

Something like Pierce and Dooling for Andre Miller, a S&Td Wilson Chandler, a S&Td JR Smith a S&Td Kenyon Martin and throw in the Birdman.

In effect, the Nuggets get Dooling and Pierce for Andre Miller and Chris Anderson.

We need Miller and Anderson until the reinforcements come back from China in March.

If you scaled it back a bit, it'd be a lot easier to make happen.

Say JR Smith ($6-7 mil) + Wilson Chandler ($8mil) for Paul Pierce ($15 mil).

That would leave Denver taking on a lot of salary in Pierce's contract. Might have to take back another deal to keep Denver below the luxury tax. Probably Corey Brewer.

[csfansince60s]

Something like Pierce and Dooling for Andre Miller, a S&Td Wilson Chandler, a S&Td JR Smith a S&Td Kenyon Martin and throw in the Birdman.

In effect, the Nuggets get Dooling and Pierce for Andre Miller and Chris Anderson.

We need Miller and Anderson until the reinforcements come back from China in March.

If you scaled it back a bit, it'd be a lot easier to make happen.

Say JR Smith ($6-7 mil) + Wilson Chandler ($8mil) for Paul Pierce ($15 mil).

That would leave Denver taking on a lot of salary in Pierce's contract. Might have to take back another deal to keep Denver below the luxury tax. Probably Corey Brewer.

Brewer or Birdman would work for me. Prefer Anderson, though, since we get two wings in Smith and Chandler and the 5 is more a position of need. Like the idea, though.