Philosophically what makes for an insulting trade offer?

[Eja117]

Personally I think it's the lying. Like when someone offers you a horrid player and a horrid draft pick for one of the best players in the league it's bad enough, but then when they try to explain to you why it's good it's like "Ok man.  I see wasting my time with a bad offer wasn't enough, but you want to waste my time with having to read something too"

Then there's just laughable like when I think Pittsburgh was offered to give up 4 great players for a draft pick

[wdleehi]

I don't care. 


Bad trade offers is just a chance for a laugh.

[hpantazo]

I don't care. 


Bad trade offers is just a chance for a laugh.

I agree, there really isn't anything insulting about it, I just laugh at them and move on.

[Rondo2287]

For me its when Team X offers you

Player A

for

Player B

Team X explains why it such a great deal for me and how I am foolish for not doing the deal, I decline because player B is my best player.

Team X then trades Player A to Team Y.

I then make a Deal with Team Y for Player A


Team X then comes back to me, trying to reacquire Player A saying that he is washed up and I should take what I can get for him.



In other words, somebody trys to trade you a player for your best player but then when I have that player, the same guy tells me he is washed up.

[Eja117]

That was really complicated Rondo, but I think I got ya

[fairweatherfan]

I had someone offer me a third-string rookie that wasn't even on his roster - he was on waivers - for a (mediocre) older starting center.

It wasn't so much the imbalance of talent that was insulting as the assumption that if I wanted the rookie (I didn't) I wouldn't be smart enough to realize I could just reject the trade and then pick him off waivers myself for free.

But I agree that they're generally funnier than anything else.

[Roy H.]

I had someone offer me a third-string rookie that wasn't even on his roster - he was on waivers - for a (mediocre) older starting center.

It wasn't so much the imbalance of talent that was insulting as the assumption that if I wanted the rookie (I didn't) I wouldn't be smart enough to realize I could just reject the trade and then pick him off waivers myself for free.

But I agree that they're generally funnier than anything else.

JuJuan Johnson for Mehmet Okur in a long-term keeper league isn't such a bad offer, especially when the offer is along the lines of "Would you have any interest in ___________ for _________?" without any salesmanship.   In that case, it was just an example of asking around and evaluating trade value of my #1 waiver selection.  As I recall, another GM did, in fact, pick JJJ up off of waivers and dealt him in a prearranged deal, so it's not like it was a bad strategy. 

Frankly, the thing I find insulting about trades is when people agree to bad trades without shopping their players around.  I'm never going to fault any GM for trying to gauge what a player / pick / waiver selection is worth.  The more offers, the merrier, so long as they're not duplicative.

[Eja117]

I don't find it insulting, but it's definitely annoying when you work hard on something with a guy, then the offer gets worse.  It's like thanks for wasting my time

[Roy H.]

The #1 most annoying thing:  when somebody says "done deal" and then backs out of it. 

The most frustrating thing:  when you're engaged in trade discussions, and two offers "cross".  You make Trade Offer X, before seeing Trade Offer Y.  The other trading partner quickly says "I accept", only for you to realize that the offer you just made (X) was worse than the one they were willing to accept (Y).  But, you're bound by X, because once the other side says "done", it's done.

[Eja117]

I hate it when someone sends you a trade that looks possibly even and you spend some time looking at it and thinking about it, and then you see he has snuck in your 1rst rounder, which is visually difficult to see and obviously makes it an absurdly unfair trade, and you're just in shock thinking "wow. What an a hole this guy is"

[Inside-Out]

I think the first good sign of an insultingly imbalanced trade offer is seeing Ainge's number on caller ID.

[Rondo2287]

I think the first good sign of an insultingly imbalanced trade offer is seeing Ainge's number on caller ID.

Or seeing that the idea was originally posted on Celticsblog.

[Lucky17]

I generally don't have issues with bad offers. Either the other guy comically overvalues his own players, or it's transparent that it's an initial low-ball offer, and if I'm interested in making something happen, I'm supposed to make a slightly more rational counteroffer.

Along with someone backing out of a deal, the other thing I hate: when you've had long, productive talks, and you're about to wrap it up, and the other guy says, "Oh, and add your 1st rounder or Player X (who's the best player in the deal). We're good?" Come on, man.

[Roy H.]

I generally don't have issues with bad offers. Either the other guy comically overvalues his own players, or it's transparent that it's an initial low-ball offer, and if I'm interested in making something happen, I'm supposed to make a slightly more rational counteroffer.

Along with someone backing out of a deal, the other thing I hate: when you've had long, productive talks, and you're about to wrap it up, and the other guy says, "Oh, and add your 1st rounder or Player X (who's the best player in the deal). We're good?" Come on, man.

Ha.  Yeah, in our league first rounders aren't trivial.  I want to know who it is.

[Eja117]

I think the first good sign of an insultingly imbalanced trade offer is seeing Ainge's number on caller ID.

Or seeing that the idea was originally posted on Celticsblog.

HA!