Ray Allen to the Pacers (trade idea)

[xmuscularghandix]

Indiana would NEVER trade Paul George for Ray Allen.

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The Pacers would definitely be interested in Ray.  Huge upgrade on Jones as a 3rd wing.  Not enough playmaking to get the most out of him, but he'd still have a lot of value to them. 

A trade exception and a first is probably the most they would offer though.

I still think Chicago's the best target for Ray.  They have a ready made role for him with great defensive protection, and they could really use his offensive dynamism.  Hamilton and Korver can't break a game open like Ray.  I think we'd have a decent chance of getting Gibson or Asik in a deal like that.

[saltlover]

Teams that are playing well with young talent (IND ATL or all the other unrealistic scenarios people have been proposing on these boards) are not going to trade that away for guys at the end of the line.  The C's have become and old team that can't keep up with the younger legs.  Why would all these younger up and coming teams want to take on guys like Ray KG JO; it would make them more like the C's which is not a good thing these days.

They aren't if they don't place any value in veteran playoff experience.  But most teams in all sports are willing to pay a bit of a premium for someone who's been there already, and has been successful.  The Pacers have been very good about being patient while their young players weren't ready to compete at the next level, but they are now and the organization's mindset may have changed somewhat.  Unlike KG, Ray is signed to an affordable contract to take on, and can still shoot.

Is it likely to happen?  No, it isn't, and I'd say the same about any trade idea that has ever been posted on an internet message board.  But that doesn't mean we can't a) look for rational places our players may go, and b) consider such ideas as solace while we watch our beloved Celtics stumble so badly.   As it stands today, the Pacers are in third place in the East, and if they stay at or near that position by the deadline, the incremental help a player like Ray Allen can given them could be worth their while to trade for.

Or we could just hope Danny throws up his hands and lets this team limp to a 7th or 8th seed at best, or trades Ray for a conditional 2nd round pick and a trade exception, or takes on someone else's bad long-term contract because that just seems fun.

[TruthPierce2008]

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[TruthPierce2008]

I would never ever trade ray allen, a legend for anyone on the pacers,

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[kozlodoev]

I would never ever trade ray allen, a legend for anyone on the pacers, (edit)

You don't need to worry about this, the Pacers will probably laugh at the proposition anyhow.

[Lucky17]

The Pacers would definitely be interested in Ray.  Huge upgrade on Jones as a 3rd wing.  Not enough playmaking to get the most out of him, but he'd still have a lot of value to them. 

A trade exception and a first is probably the most they would offer though.

I still think Chicago's the best target for Ray.  They have a ready made role for him with great defensive protection, and they could really use his offensive dynamism.  Hamilton and Korver can't break a game open like Ray.  I think we'd have a decent chance of getting Gibson or Asik in a deal like that.

I agree that Ray would be an upgrade over Korver or Rip for the Bulls.

But I doubt they'd be willing to part with either Gibson or Asik. Instead, they might add the 1st rounder that Charlotte owes them (lottery protected this year) to short-term salary filler.

[TruthPierce2008]

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[saltlover]

The Pacers would definitely be interested in Ray.  Huge upgrade on Jones as a 3rd wing.  Not enough playmaking to get the most out of him, but he'd still have a lot of value to them. 

A trade exception and a first is probably the most they would offer though.

I still think Chicago's the best target for Ray.  They have a ready made role for him with great defensive protection, and they could really use his offensive dynamism.  Hamilton and Korver can't break a game open like Ray.  I think we'd have a decent chance of getting Gibson or Asik in a deal like that.

I agree that Ray would be an upgrade over Korver or Rip for the Bulls.

But I doubt they'd be willing to part with either Gibson or Asik. Instead, they might add the 1st rounder that Charlotte owes them (lottery protected this year) to short-term salary filler.

I might not understand how the salary cap works (okay, I really don't with the new CBA) but aren't the Bulls over the cap?  Or is it that they're over the cap but not paying a luxury tax?  If they're over the cap and generally restricted from adding more salary, which I think they are, how are they taking on Ray Allen when the most expensive expiring they have is CJ Watson at $3.4mil?  Ergo, Pacers.

[Lucky17]

The Pacers would definitely be interested in Ray.  Huge upgrade on Jones as a 3rd wing.  Not enough playmaking to get the most out of him, but he'd still have a lot of value to them. 

A trade exception and a first is probably the most they would offer though.

I still think Chicago's the best target for Ray.  They have a ready made role for him with great defensive protection, and they could really use his offensive dynamism.  Hamilton and Korver can't break a game open like Ray.  I think we'd have a decent chance of getting Gibson or Asik in a deal like that.

I agree that Ray would be an upgrade over Korver or Rip for the Bulls.

But I doubt they'd be willing to part with either Gibson or Asik. Instead, they might add the 1st rounder that Charlotte owes them (lottery protected this year) to short-term salary filler.

I might not understand how the salary cap works (okay, I really don't with the new CBA) but aren't the Bulls over the cap?  Or is it that they're over the cap but not paying a luxury tax?  If they're over the cap and generally restricted from adding more salary, which I think they are, how are they taking on Ray Allen when the most expensive expiring they have is CJ Watson at $3.4mil?  Ergo, Pacers.

Considering the Bulls want Ray as an upgrade, I suspect they would ask to send out Korver or Rip as part of the trade.

CJ Watson + Brian Scalabrine + Jimmy Butler + John Lucas = $6.2 million in additional salary filler.

So there's more than enough expiring/low cost contracts to balance things out for a deal, money-wise.

[saltlover]

The Pacers would definitely be interested in Ray.  Huge upgrade on Jones as a 3rd wing.  Not enough playmaking to get the most out of him, but he'd still have a lot of value to them. 

A trade exception and a first is probably the most they would offer though.

I still think Chicago's the best target for Ray.  They have a ready made role for him with great defensive protection, and they could really use his offensive dynamism.  Hamilton and Korver can't break a game open like Ray.  I think we'd have a decent chance of getting Gibson or Asik in a deal like that.

I agree that Ray would be an upgrade over Korver or Rip for the Bulls.

But I doubt they'd be willing to part with either Gibson or Asik. Instead, they might add the 1st rounder that Charlotte owes them (lottery protected this year) to short-term salary filler.

I might not understand how the salary cap works (okay, I really don't with the new CBA) but aren't the Bulls over the cap?  Or is it that they're over the cap but not paying a luxury tax?  If they're over the cap and generally restricted from adding more salary, which I think they are, how are they taking on Ray Allen when the most expensive expiring they have is CJ Watson at $3.4mil?  Ergo, Pacers.

Considering the Bulls want Ray as an upgrade, I suspect they would ask to send out Korver or Rip as part of the trade.

CJ Watson + Brian Scalabrine + Jimmy Butler + John Lucas = $6.2 million in additional salary filler.

So there's more than enough expiring/low cost contracts to balance things out for a deal, money-wise.

But if Danny's goal is to have a lot of room under the cap this offseason, then why Korver?  And do we have to release 3 players to take on all those extra bodies, or can we trade for them and release them without adding them to the roster?  Regardless, I would hope we could get back more than a pick that's protected for the next several years if we're taking on $5 million in salary next year.

[jacksmedulaoblongata]

I keep bringing Ray Allen back until his price is too high, or he doesn't want to play here anymore. Guys with his kind of work ethic and class are hard to find, and you're gonna need vets with some respect around to teach these young guys how to behave and prepare like pro's when we do get younger.

[Lucky17]

The Pacers would definitely be interested in Ray.  Huge upgrade on Jones as a 3rd wing.  Not enough playmaking to get the most out of him, but he'd still have a lot of value to them.  

A trade exception and a first is probably the most they would offer though.

I still think Chicago's the best target for Ray.  They have a ready made role for him with great defensive protection, and they could really use his offensive dynamism.  Hamilton and Korver can't break a game open like Ray.  I think we'd have a decent chance of getting Gibson or Asik in a deal like that.

I agree that Ray would be an upgrade over Korver or Rip for the Bulls.

But I doubt they'd be willing to part with either Gibson or Asik. Instead, they might add the 1st rounder that Charlotte owes them (lottery protected this year) to short-term salary filler.

I might not understand how the salary cap works (okay, I really don't with the new CBA) but aren't the Bulls over the cap?  Or is it that they're over the cap but not paying a luxury tax?  If they're over the cap and generally restricted from adding more salary, which I think they are, how are they taking on Ray Allen when the most expensive expiring they have is CJ Watson at $3.4mil?  Ergo, Pacers.

Considering the Bulls want Ray as an upgrade, I suspect they would ask to send out Korver or Rip as part of the trade.

CJ Watson + Brian Scalabrine + Jimmy Butler + John Lucas = $6.2 million in additional salary filler.

So there's more than enough expiring/low cost contracts to balance things out for a deal, money-wise.

But if Danny's goal is to have a lot of room under the cap this offseason, then why Korver?  And do we have to release 3 players to take on all those extra bodies, or can we trade for them and release them without adding them to the roster?  Regardless, I would hope we could get back more than a pick that's protected for the next several years if we're taking on $5 million in salary next year.

Korver would ideally be shunted off to another team, or used as a trade chip going into the 2012 offseason.

Shamsports indicates that only $500,000 of the contract is fully guaranteed after this year.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/bulls.jsp

In essence, you're carrying Korver's contract for the rights to the Bobcats 2012 lottery-protected 1st rounder. Right now, the Cats are a bubble team. That pick could pay out this year, or next (top 12 protection next year).

[Edit: Guess I should have looked more closely at the standings. Cats aren't looking very good right now, it's looking likely that they keep the pick this year.]

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