This sounds like sweet music to me.  I believe we would get a 2nd round pick and Paul George in return.  But I don't know if Indiana would want to give George up, he is young and good.  Maybe do a Pierce and Daniels for Granger deal...?

Quote from: RAYTHREE on January 16, 2012, 10:43:12 PM

This sounds like sweet music to me.  I believe we would get a 2nd round pick and Paul George in return.  But I don't know if Indiana would want to give George up, he is young and good.  Maybe do a Pierce and Daniels for Granger deal...?

Indiana is not trading Paul George for anybody but a young star.

I completely agree, which is why in my original post I said I doubt they'd go there.  Still, I think Ray would be a relatively good fit in Indiana, and they have more than enough cap room to take him.  What do you think we could reasonably get that Indiana might be willing to give up?

It all depends on how close they think they are to contending and how Paul George is playing around the deadline.

Quote from: wdleehi on January 17, 2012, 09:06:19 AM

It all depends on how close they think they are to contending and how Paul George is playing around the deadline.

It doesn't matter how close they think they are to contending.  Based on how Indiana has made moves up to this point, I believe it's clear they are looking to gradually build up a young, deep, competitive team.

Even if Ray Allen would make them better this season than having Paul George (very debatable given his defensive impact), they would also have to consider the impact Paul George will have for the next 4-5 years, when they also hope to contend.

If they think Ray for George can put them over the top this year, I can see them making that move. 

They aren't giving up Paul George, but I'd make the trade for the trade exception and a first (I'd try to get two firsts). 

If we needed a player back, I think George Hill might be available.  If Granger keeps up his less than stellar play, they might be willing to move him as well, though I doubt it in a trade for Allen as that really is a salary dump type trade and I'm not sure Indiana is at that point.  There are some other trades they might consider centered around Ray.

These trades I'd probably do if I'm the Celtics (in order that Indiana is most likely to do)

Allen for 1st (or two)
Allen for Stephenson, Admundson
Allen for Hill (would add Bradley if they wanted him)
Allen for Granger (not very likely)

I'd take on Foster if it was a requirement from Indiana, but wouldn't want to waste most of the trade exception on him so I would push back on that requirement.

Quote from: PosImpos on January 17, 2012, 09:09:28 AM

Quote from: wdleehi on January 17, 2012, 09:06:19 AM

It all depends on how close they think they are to contending and how Paul George is playing around the deadline.

It doesn't matter how close they think they are to contending.  Based on how Indiana has made moves up to this point, I believe it's clear they are looking to gradually build up a young, deep, competitive team.

Even if Ray Allen would make them better this season than having Paul George (very debatable given his defensive impact), they would also have to consider the impact Paul George will have for the next 4-5 years, when they also hope to contend.

If they think Ray for George can put them over the top this year, I can see them making that move. 

maybe, but there's no guarantee, and they'd be unquestionably worse in following years.  since they're such a young team, it seems to make more sense for them to try to let the team develop and improve together.  that way they get 4-5 chances (at least) to compete for a title.

Quote from: Moranis on January 17, 2012, 10:03:30 AM

They aren't giving up Paul George, but I'd make the trade for the trade exception and a first (I'd try to get two firsts). 

If we needed a player back, I think George Hill might be available.  If Granger keeps up his less than stellar play, they might be willing to move him as well, though I doubt it in a trade for Allen as that really is a salary dump type trade and I'm not sure Indiana is at that point.  There are some other trades they might consider centered around Ray.

These trades I'd probably do if I'm the Celtics (in order that Indiana is most likely to do)

Allen for 1st (or two)
Allen for Stephenson, Admundson
Allen for Hill (would add Bradley if they wanted him)
Allen for Granger (not very likely)

I'd take on Foster if it was a requirement from Indiana, but wouldn't want to waste most of the trade exception on him so I would push back on that requirement.

I don't know much about Stephenson and Admundson.  Are they players that would help us going forward?

If the Pacers think he'll be gone after this year or next, what of Allen and JO for Hibbert?  Completely crazy, or mostly crazy?  I don't know if there is still ill will from JO's prior tenure in Indiana, and of course JO has to stay healthy for the next two months, but assuming there isn't and he does, any chance Indiana does that?  Or am I just being a wishful fanboy?

Stephenson is a very young SG.  He could possibly develop into something.  Admundson probably not as he is older.