Would anybody accept Garnett as an expiring?

[Q_FBE]

21 million dollars of C R A P P Y performance?

No way. The Celtics at this point would be better off hanging onto Garnett until the trading deadline and Ainge has to make another fundamental franchise decision like he did last year.

Perhaps a trade with a team under the salary cap like with Detroit for Jason Maxiel and Ben Gorden is a possibility.

Ray Allen has a reasonable expiring contract and a skill useful to contending teams.

Rondo is trading chip but I am thinking he gets moved this summer if the Celtics are in a control alt delete mode.

The Celtics appear headed toward a crossroads and I fear the results will not be favorable to them.

Look at what is happened to Detriot since their 2005 title and 2008 ECF appearence and Phoenix after the 2010 WCF appearence for pessimistic examples.

On the optimistic side - look at Golden State, Portland, Philadelphia, Atlanta, and Denver for good teams without the Superstars.

I unfortunately think we are dangerously close to sliding toward the pessimistic side and multiple years in the lottery.

[nickagneta]

All you would get for KG is teams looking to dump long term money that is usually overpaid due to age or a severe drop off in performance.

Who would give the Celtics anything worth taking that the Celtics would want long term for the future?

Joe Johnson and/or Josh Smith...no thanks. With great talent around them they never went anywhere. Getting them is a plan to stay in mediocrity forever.

Corey Maggette and Tyrus Thomas...don't make me laugh.

Villanueva and Gordon...that's funnier than the Charlotte proposal

Elton Brand and Nocionni...that's just sad.

Toronto only has Bargnani and parts...don't make me sick.

Orlando isn't giving us DH and Milwaukee isn't giving up Bogut so no sense looking theresince there isn't anyone else worth discussing.

If the Lakers would be dumb enough to give us gasol I would do it. They wouldn't.

Minnesota would take him back so long as you take beasley, darko and more crap.

Utah isn't giving you Millsap or Jefferson for KGs expiring as there's no proof Kanter and Favors will pan out.

If you really want the headache that is D Cousins you are going to have to take on Salmons, Garcia and Greene and give up picks which will cripple you.

I'm not sure anyone else does anything with you for KG.

Only trade that makes any sense is Rondo and KG and two 1st rounders for Conley, Gay, Mayo. and I would rather suck for years than do that and be mediocre for years.

[PosImpos]

Corey Maggette and Tyrus Thomas...don't make me laugh.

If the Bobcats would include their 1st round pick this year, it would be worth considering.  But that's probably gonna be a pretty high pick, and Maggette's contract isn't THAT bad.

[Junkyard Dawg]

good lord... please come find me in a few weeks when the C's are back above .500, KG is dominating and all of you folks are back in the woodworks

[PosImpos]

KG is dominating

i wouldn't wait too long for somebody to come get you . . . .

i'm not saying KG won't look better over the course of the season (though it's not guaranteed he will), but it's been years since KG actually dominated except in the occasional game when he's really feeling it (and these days such a performance might be followed up by a no-show, like he did in the playoffs last spring).

[Junkyard Dawg]

i wouldn't wait too long for somebody to come get you . . . .

i'm not saying KG won't look better over the course of the season (though it's not guaranteed he will), but it's been years since KG actually dominated except in the occasional game when he's really feeling it (and these days such a performance might be followed up by a no-show, like he did in the playoffs last spring).

yeah, DPOY runner up is a complete fluke... all defensive first team, complete fluke.  but these mean nothing in the grand scheme of things, because if we trade him we can get someone like Tyrus Thomas, or if we're REALLY lucky, we'll be lucky enough to get AL JEFFERSON...

sorry for the antagonism, but these threads are so utterly ridiculous I really can't help myself.

[LooseCannon]

If Daryl Morey decides to blow up the team in Houston, I can see Kevin Martin and Luis Scola for KG's expiring contract, the Clippers pick, a future Celtics first-round pick, and Moore or Bradley (to clear a roster spot).

I'm not convinced that's a good trade for Boston to make, but I can see some people around here loving it.

[pearljammer10]

If Daryl Morey decides to blow up the team in Houston, I can see Kevin Martin and Luis Scola for KG's expiring contract, the Clippers pick, a future Celtics first-round pick, and Moore or Bradley (to clear a roster spot).

I'm not convinced that's a good trade for Boston to make, but I can see some people around here loving it.

Ive never liked Scola but I know people like his game. I would have trouble trading for Martin when Our second best player at the moment plays the same position.

[LooseCannon]

If Daryl Morey decides to blow up the team in Houston, I can see Kevin Martin and Luis Scola for KG's expiring contract, the Clippers pick, a future Celtics first-round pick, and Moore or Bradley (to clear a roster spot).

I'm not convinced that's a good trade for Boston to make, but I can see some people around here loving it.

Ive never liked Scola but I know people like his game. I would have trouble trading for Martin when Our second best player at the moment plays the same position.

Obviously, the idea would be for Martin to come off the bench for a couple of months and either be the starter next season (with Ray not coming back or possibly traded to a contender) or be an attractive pseudo-star who could be traded as part of a deal for a big contract.

[Jeff]

I'll take KG and oodles of cap space this summer, thanks

[snively]

No. KG's contract os too big - not too big to pay for, too big to trade for. We'd have to take 14-16M in salary back (non-tax/tax rates) in order to meet CBA rules. Look around, no one has anything worth taking. You're better off with cap space in 2012 and then you can trade for any player salary you want without matching salary.

That's not necessarily true.  According to Storyteller's contract site, Indy is quite a ways under the cap.

I believe that means they could work a Hansbrough/Amundson/pick for KG deal.  That would get Boston under the luxury tax threshold (and if they continue to struggle, I think that would mean quite a bit to the C's brass) and give Indy a big boost to their contention hopes without impacting their cap space for next year.

Dallas also looms as an option.  I think Kidd/Odom/Beaubois for KG makes a lot of sense for both teams.

[Inside-Out]

No. KG's contract os too big - not too big to pay for, too big to trade for. We'd have to take 14-16M in salary back (non-tax/tax rates) in order to meet CBA rules. Look around, no one has anything worth taking. You're better off with cap space in 2012 and then you can trade for any player salary you want without matching salary.

That's not necessarily true.  According to Storyteller's contract site, Indy is quite a ways under the cap.

I believe that means they could work a Hansbrough/Amundson/pick for KG deal.  That would get Boston under the luxury tax threshold (and if they continue to struggle, I think that would mean quite a bit to the C's brass) and give Indy a big boost to their contention hopes without impacting their cap space for next year.

Dallas also looms as an option.  I think Kidd/Odom/Beaubois for KG makes a lot of sense for both teams.

That Dallas idea looks pretty solid for everyone.  Beaubois/Bass as offensive sparks off the bench, with Odom improving the starting unit offense.

I don't think KG would willingly accept a trade, though.

[Cman]

The value would be for the other team clearing its books. in other words, Cs would have to trade KG (expiring contract of a player who can still contribute, but is no longer the beast he was) to another team for a really good player on a good contract + a player on a bad contract.  Teams make those trades, but it is not likely to net the Cs an all star.

[PosImpos]

i wouldn't wait too long for somebody to come get you . . . .

i'm not saying KG won't look better over the course of the season (though it's not guaranteed he will), but it's been years since KG actually dominated except in the occasional game when he's really feeling it (and these days such a performance might be followed up by a no-show, like he did in the playoffs last spring).

yeah, DPOY runner up is a complete fluke... all defensive first team, complete fluke.  but these mean nothing in the grand scheme of things, because if we trade him we can get someone like Tyrus Thomas, or if we're REALLY lucky, we'll be lucky enough to get AL JEFFERSON...

sorry for the antagonism, but these threads are so utterly ridiculous I really can't help myself.

This is threatening to go offtopic, but while playing great defense is very valuable, DPOY runner up can hardly be called dominating.  Plus KG hasnt even played particularly good defense so far this season. No telling if he even approaches what he did last year defensively again.  Not to mention that it's hard to "dominate" as a seven foot big man when you're weak on the glass, and particularly non-existent as an offensive rebounder.

[Kane3387]

I wonder if Memphis would be interested in a deal that centered around KG and Ray for Gay and Mayo. With Z-Bo out they could use the extra PF. Gasol and KG could hold it down until Z-
Bo comes back. Then you have a nice trio of bigs there.

Memphis has been shopping Mayo according to reports and if they are looking for a guy like Morrow then they should like Ray Allen on an expiring deal.

I guess Memphis would need to be convinced that Gay isn't as good a fit with their new style of play. They are definitely more of an inside and out team with Z-Bo, the evolution of Marc, and Gay being out so long last year then in the past.

I mean the West is the most wide open it has been in years. Z-Bo, Conley, Gasol, Ray, and TA with KG as the sixth man makes you as legit as anyone else in the West.

I don't know if the salaries match up bc the Trade Machine is down, but they might since Memphis isn't a tax team. I have a hard time seeing Memphis paying 10-16 million each for four separate guys the next 3-4 years too. They are notoriously cheap and might want to dump Gay's contract.

While Gay is overpaid he would be a perfect fit with Rondo because he plays well without the ball. Mayo would be nice too and it's obvious Memphis isn't extending him. I'd throw in the Clipper's pick to get it done.