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Lets Blow It Up
« on: January 15, 2012, 09:22:34 AM »

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I still hear some die-hard Celtic fans "Oh, we're still allright" and stuff related to this kind of statement but guess what, BACK TO REALITY!!! The Celtics are going no where this season so I think IMO and many other fans (includes Celtic fans, Hawk fans, warriors fans, and so on) that we should just trade away useless pieces of our line-up for 'meanful'pieces. Like what? For starters, trade away KG to a team with some Cap Space for someone who hurts they're cap (a player with a BAD contract, but still has to play). Then we can give away Ray Allen to a playoff contender for another player who is disliked on their team (thinking a bit OJ Mayo on this one). After that we may trade Quisy+Pav for a pick(then we can sign Joel Przybilla). If worst comes to worst, Rondo+JO+the pick from the Quis trade for Westbrook+Colision or for Collision+Ty Hans.

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Re: Lets Blow It Up (Open Discussion)
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2012, 09:33:27 AM »

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For starters, trade away KG to a team with some Cap Space for someone who hurts they're cap (a player with a BAD contract, but still has to play)

How would trading an expiring contract for a player on a bad contract help our future?


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Re: Lets Blow It Up (Open Discussion)
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2012, 09:34:46 AM »

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Celts are cooked, but I wouldn't blow it up. 

Let KG's contact expire and go after Howard in the off-season.

Re: Lets Blow It Up (Open Discussion)
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2012, 09:37:38 AM »

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I still don't get it as to why we need to blow it up. Rebuilding teams need cap space and that's what we are going to have after the season. Why would we trade KG's expiring contract just so to be tied up in contacts again for a player who may be average at best, since no one is gonna trade a star or rising star to us if it's just KG.

We have cap spac and two first rounders for next year. And we're only 11 games into the season. Just let it play out.
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Re: Lets Blow It Up (Open Discussion)
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For starters, trade away KG to a team with some Cap Space for someone who hurts they're cap (a player with a BAD contract, but still has to play)

How would trading an expiring contract for a player on a bad contract help our future?

I know Its a head scratcher ain't it? I don't get why we need to absorb a bad contract for KG's expiring.
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Re: Lets Blow It Up (Open Discussion)
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2012, 10:17:50 AM »

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For starters, trade away KG to a team with some Cap Space for someone who hurts they're cap (a player with a BAD contract, but still has to play)

How would trading an expiring contract for a player on a bad contract help our future?

I don't know about a "bad" contract, but a player who still has a couple years left who is overpaid could be worth it if we get a good pick as well.  The salary we'd be taking on would effectively be "renting" our cap space for the next year or two, since we most likely wouldn't be using it on any big name free agents anyway.  Getting as many picks as possible in this upcoming draft is a really good idea.
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Re: Lets Blow It Up (Open Discussion)
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2012, 10:28:42 AM »

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For starters, trade away KG to a team with some Cap Space for someone who hurts they're cap (a player with a BAD contract, but still has to play)

How would trading an expiring contract for a player on a bad contract help our future?

I don't know about a "bad" contract, but a player who still has a couple years left who is overpaid could be worth it if we get a good pick as well.  The salary we'd be taking on would effectively be "renting" our cap space for the next year or two, since we most likely wouldn't be using it on any big name free agents anyway.  Getting as many picks as possible in this upcoming draft is a really good idea.

It depends upon whether we can convert the picks into building blocks.  If they're used on role players / non-starters, it's counterproductive, as we're tying up cap space in guys who aren't part of the future.


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Re: Lets Blow It Up (Open Discussion)
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2012, 10:36:07 AM »

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For starters, trade away KG to a team with some Cap Space for someone who hurts they're cap (a player with a BAD contract, but still has to play)

How would trading an expiring contract for a player on a bad contract help our future?

I don't know about a "bad" contract, but a player who still has a couple years left who is overpaid could be worth it if we get a good pick as well.  The salary we'd be taking on would effectively be "renting" our cap space for the next year or two, since we most likely wouldn't be using it on any big name free agents anyway.  Getting as many picks as possible in this upcoming draft is a really good idea.

It depends upon whether we can convert the picks into building blocks.  If they're used on role players / non-starters, it's counterproductive, as we're tying up cap space in guys who aren't part of the future.

exactly !!!


trading out of frustration ...just to try something will only give temporary hope, that will fade quick too ....back to facts that the situation is what it is for now.

Re: Lets Blow It Up (Open Discussion)
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2012, 10:41:32 AM »

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Celts are cooked, but I wouldn't blow it up. 

Let KG's contact expire and go after Howard in the off-season.

If DH is still even available....I look for him to bolt to LA ASAP ...LA got a locker with his name on it already.

Re: Lets Blow It Up (Open Discussion)
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2012, 10:42:08 AM »

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For starters, trade away KG to a team with some Cap Space for someone who hurts they're cap (a player with a BAD contract, but still has to play)

How would trading an expiring contract for a player on a bad contract help our future?

I don't know about a "bad" contract, but a player who still has a couple years left who is overpaid could be worth it if we get a good pick as well.  The salary we'd be taking on would effectively be "renting" our cap space for the next year or two, since we most likely wouldn't be using it on any big name free agents anyway.  Getting as many picks as possible in this upcoming draft is a really good idea.

It depends upon whether we can convert the picks into building blocks.  If they're used on role players / non-starters, it's counterproductive, as we're tying up cap space in guys who aren't part of the future.


that's true, but that's always a gamble you make with picks.  the #1 overall pick could turn into a roleplayer.  the #21 pick could turn into a building block.  the more picks you make, the better your chances.  and the upside of filling your team with young players, whether they turn into building blocks or not, is that your team will generally be pretty awful and you'll get a better chance at drafting really high in subsequent years until you find that cornerstone guy -- or get enough talent together to trade for such a player.

in any case, in a draft like this, which is supposedly absolutely loaded, getting multiple picks, especially around the middle of the 1st round, could yield at least one or two starter quality players, if not outright building blocks.  and if we get 2-3 picks in the middle of the first round, it's possible we could trade up into the top 10, where it's even more likely we could find a very valuable player.
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Re: Lets Blow It Up (Open Discussion)
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2012, 10:59:23 AM »

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There is a lot of talent in this draft but a lot of is slightly flawed.   That is the case in any year but there are some guys with tremendous upside like the Davis kid at KY. 

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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2012, 11:04:13 AM »

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There is a lot of talent in this draft but a lot of is slightly flawed.   That is the case in any year but there are some guys with tremendous upside like the Davis kid at KY.  


yeah, i was thinking about this the other day.  at least in recent years it seems like the "weak" drafts have way more nba-ready talent than expected, and the "strong" drafts don't look that great, at least a year or two in.  the '09 draft was supposed to be awful and yet it's yielded quite a few potential all-stars, including 3 likely rookies of the year (evans, griffin, rubio).  

the 2010 draft, on the other hand, was supposed to be really strong, and yet so far nobody has broken out as a true star, and it doesn't seem to have been particularly deep.  

likewise, the 2011 draft was supposed to be the weakest in ages but so far it seems like there were more than a handful of very solid roleplayers and potential starters, with at least one or two potential stars (though probably not any superstars).
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Re: Lets Blow It Up (Open Discussion)
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2012, 11:48:35 AM »

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For starters, trade away KG to a team with some Cap Space for someone who hurts they're cap (a player with a BAD contract, but still has to play)

How would trading an expiring contract for a player on a bad contract help our future?

I don't know about a "bad" contract, but a player who still has a couple years left who is overpaid could be worth it if we get a good pick as well.  The salary we'd be taking on would effectively be "renting" our cap space for the next year or two, since we most likely wouldn't be using it on any big name free agents anyway.  Getting as many picks as possible in this upcoming draft is a really good idea.

It depends upon whether we can convert the picks into building blocks.  If they're used on role players / non-starters, it's counterproductive, as we're tying up cap space in guys who aren't part of the future.

Trading for picks is not counterproductive at all. What´s the alternative?

Should we use our cap space to sign the Celtics equivalent of Charlie V and Ben Gordon, or do you think we have a shot at Dwight Howard?

Our top priority in rebuild mode is to get high potential players, not the scrubs other teams didn´t want.

This is about taking back control over your own situation.
Draft picks provide both flexibility and the chance at a future franchise cornerstone, they allow us to package them and trade for exactly the kind of player we want instead of taking what´s available in free agency. Think back of the days when we had cap space but no chance at winning it all. No real impact player wants to sign for a Celtics organization that has no chance at the championship.

Just take a look at the Chris Paul saga. Paul didn´t want to sign an extension with us although we have the big three, what do you think will happen if they´re gone? Instead, he picked up his option for the Clippers. Think about that, the best PG in the league chose the freaking LA Clippers over the Boston Celtics! If we want to get back to the top we have to do it like we´ve always done it in the history of this franchise: through trades and the draft.

Red was willing to trade Ed Macauley for a pick. He traded the first overall pick for the third pick and an underachieving center. He picked a player at #6 who would join us a year later. There was a pattern to this madness, as he always made his own luck instead of waiting for the leprechaun.
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Re: Lets Blow It Up
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2012, 12:22:41 PM »

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I still hear some die-hard Celtic fans "Oh, we're still allright" and stuff related to this kind of statement but guess what, BACK TO REALITY!!! The Celtics are going no where this season so I think IMO and many other fans (includes Celtic fans, Hawk fans, warriors fans, and so on) that we should just trade away useless pieces of our line-up for 'meanful'pieces. Like what? For starters, trade away KG to a team with some Cap Space for someone who hurts they're cap (a player with a BAD contract, but still has to play). Then we can give away Ray Allen to a playoff contender for another player who is disliked on their team (thinking a bit OJ Mayo on this one). After that we may trade Quisy+Pav for a pick(then we can sign Joel Przybilla). If worst comes to worst, Rondo+JO+the pick from the Quis trade for Westbrook+Colision or for Collision+Ty Hans.

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No bad long term contracts, please.  That's what we've been trying to avoid.

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Re: Lets Blow It Up (Open Discussion)
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2012, 12:24:43 PM »

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Red was willing to trade Ed Macauley for a pick. He traded the first overall pick for the third pick and an underachieving center. He picked a player at #6 who would join us a year later. There was a pattern to this madness, as he always made his own luck instead of waiting for the leprechaun.

Big difference between trading for lottery picks and players you've targeted, as opposed to trading for late first rounders (which is all, realistically, that would be included in a KG trade.   I'm not sure that a Bill Russell / Kevin McHale comparison works here.

I would rather have a ton of cap space than a decent player on a bad contract plus a late #1 pick.


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