what is the point of blowing it up?

[cman88]

we've got alot of contracts coming off the books at the end of the year, and any of our big 3 arent going to get us really anyone of quality. I would rather let the season play out than trade the big 3 for players that might hinder our cap-space

if we are this bad, just let teh season play out and we'll have a nice pick anyways and then go after free agents in the offseason around rondo.

unless you want to try and trade for Josh smith(dont see atlanta giving him up yet) or OJ mayo

[guava_wrench]

Who are you to say that the big 3 won't get us anything of quality back?

If Danny gets good offers, he should consider them. If not, than don't bother.

I disagree with anyone who insists "Blow it up" because the correct chant should be to field offers.

I am even fine with getting comparable players who are cheaper so that the money can be saved for another season.

[Who]

The point -- (1) to pick up an additional asset or two, and/or, (2) to get worse in order to net a higher draft pick this summer.

[gpap]

Oh maybe to try this crazy thing in sports they call winning?

[Eris]

Who are you to say that the big 3 won't get us anything of quality back?

If Danny gets good offers, he should consider them. If not, than don't bother.

I disagree with anyone who insists "Blow it up" because the correct chant should be to field offers.

I am even fine with getting comparable players who are cheaper so that the money can be saved for another season.

Yep, I doubt Danny can get a good deal, but he should be open to offers...maybe even make a few. With this draft I'd be looking for picks as much as players.

However, if the C's are gonna lose I'd like to be giving all youngsters as much experience as possible. If nothing else it could build their trade value.

[Celtics4ever]

Point is the reality is that we may not be relevant anymore.  Why delay the rebuild, why not blow it up for picks and resources?   Do you think we will attract top free agents?   I don't most guys want to win and that is not going to be us immediately.

[Tone]

we should blow it up the Celtics just aren't as good as they once were. Danny should see what players are on the trading block and make a deal. This team is too old to compete with some of the younger teams and playoff contenders.

[PosImpos]

1. give ray / kg and perhaps even paul the opportunity to chase another ring on a team with the talent to go all the way instead of toiling trying to carry a team mostly by themselves (with rondo), which they cant do anymore.

2. save us the shame and humiliation of watching this once awe inspiring group get trounced and embarrassed every time they face a decent team, as they try to do the same things that used to win them games but that they simply dont have the legs for anymore.  at least if the team gets blown up at the deadline we wont have to feel disgusted when they only win 25 games.  plus, we'd get a lottery pick.



honestly, though, as jeff discussed, it's probably not really an option.

[Celtics18]

1. give ray / kg and perhaps even paul the opportunity to chase another ring on a team with the talent to go all the way instead of toiling trying to carry a team mostly by themselves (with rondo), which they cant do anymore.

2. save us the shame and humiliation of watching this once awe inspiring group get trounced and embarrassed every time they face a decent team, as they try to do the same things that used to win them games but that they simply dont have the legs for anymore.  at least if the team gets blown up at the deadline we wont have to feel disgusted when they only win 25 games.  plus, we'd get a lottery pick.



honestly, though, as jeff discussed, it's probably not really an option.

If we are doing it for them, then my guess is they'd rather have the opportunity to fight their way through this rough start together. 

Let's give them that one last opportunity; Particularly, if we agree that there probably aren't a lot of realistic trade options out there that will significantly improve our future.

[lightspeed5]

Point is the reality is that we may not be relevant anymore.  Why delay the rebuild, why not blow it up for picks and resources?   Do you think we will attract top free agents?   I don't most guys want to win and that is not going to be us immediately.

wrong. Celtics will offer the best coach in the business, and maximum money

winning+ max money  > winning with the vets min

this is why the cap flexability is worth it, and why trades can only be for expiring contracts. because this expiring year 2012 was in the works for years.

[guava_wrench]

Point is the reality is that we may not be relevant anymore.  Why delay the rebuild, why not blow it up for picks and resources?   Do you think we will attract top free agents?   I don't most guys want to win and that is not going to be us immediately.

wrong. Celtics will offer the best coach in the business, and maximum money

winning+ max money  > winning with the vets min

this is why the cap flexability is worth it, and why trades can only be for expiring contracts. because this expiring year 2012 was in the works for years.

Yes, max money > vet min. Why is that relevant?

[snowball]

Too Early for this talk.
4-7 doesn't mean much.
Play through the season.
Danny's biggest mistake was letting Marshon Brooks go.
He would have brought scoring and excitement.

[Surferdad]

Point is the reality is that we may not be relevant anymore.  Why delay the rebuild, why not blow it up for picks and resources?   Do you think we will attract top free agents?   I don't most guys want to win and that is not going to be us immediately.

wrong. Celtics will offer the best coach in the business, and maximum money

winning+ max money  > winning with the vets min

this is why the cap flexability is worth it, and why trades can only be for expiring contracts. because this expiring year 2012 was in the works for years.

Yes I also believe 2012 has been in the works for a while.  Let these guys play it out and look forward to the financial flexibility in the off-season.  I'm still not a big Dwight Howard fan, but I wasn't a big KG fan either (before they got him).  SVG is terrible.  Rivers will do wonders with the big guy in the right system.

[CelticsFanNC]

Who are you to say that the big 3 won't get us anything of quality back?

If Danny gets good offers, he should consider them. If not, than don't bother.

I disagree with anyone who insists "Blow it up" because the correct chant should be to field offers.

I am even fine with getting comparable players who are cheaper so that the money can be saved for another season.

  Yup I agree.  If things don't get better in a hurry he should be open to offers.  

  I wouldn't even be apposed to taking on money for the right players because I am far from convinced any significant, franchise changing FA's are going to sign here.  Ainge might end up using that cap space to add players via trade anyways so what is the difference if he does so now or after the season or in a year or two?  

  There are three ways to rebuild this thing.  

1) the draft. Which probably means a strong or poor seasons leading to lottery picks.  I don't think Ainge has the patience for this plan and he probably shouldn't.

2) Free Agency.  The best FA's aren't signing here IMO and in most cases will move to new teams via trades. We don't want Ainge using his cap space as effectively as say, Joe Dumars did in Detroit.

3) accumulate assets and then trade those assets for established players.  This worked once for Ainge and might be his best avenue again considering everything.

  In the end it will probably take a combination of these three to get it done.

[Inside-Out]

With almost everyone expiring this year, it's probably not worth the trouble of a major trade that would boof cap space in 6 months.

IMO, the team could get better by mixing up the lineups to have some younger legs out there with Rondo.  This wouldn't be difficult to figure out, but sitting one of the current starters is a tough call, expecially for another player that is probably not as good overall.  But Rondo needs at least 2 of the other 4 guys to be able to run with him, and the current lineups don't really allow that. (Ray running from 3pt line to 3pt line doesn't really count).