Doc's stubborness

[Chris]

And he has given Stiemsma a ton of minutes for a guy who has one NBA skill.  

I really think you are selling the guy short here.

He's shown that he can block shots well.
He's shown that he can hit jumpers well.
He's shown that he can get rebounds well.
He's shown that he rotates and generally plays defense well.

I would say the he has shown he can block shots well.  The jumpers have been too small a sample size.  The rebounds have not been good, and the defense has been spotty.

Other than the shot blocking, he also brings energy, which has absolutely helped this team.  But lets not go overboard.

I'm pretty sure he's got the highest rebounding rate on the team.

82games has him as taking 64% jump shots, his eFG on them is .556 and his overall FG% is .571.

Small sample size stats are fun...

I guess that's the point of what people are saying. They are looking for a larger sample size when the small sample shows something good.  Earlier in this thread you described it as a ton of minutes, I think most others are considering it small.

It is a ton of minutes for a player that has never played in the NBA before, was below mediocre in college, and has been bouncing around Europe and the NBDL for the last few years. 

The season is young, and so is his career.  Let him grow into the role.  Forcefeeding minutes to young players on teams trying to win games is generally not a recipe for success (for the team or the player). 

Let him take advantage of the minutes he gets.  Continue to improve on his defense and rebounding, and then maybe he won't have as many issues when he is needed to play bigger minutes later in the season when there are injuries. 

[Tone]

My only thing with Doc is that when the starters continue to play bad he keeps them in and doesn't give any of the bench players a chance to show what they can do

[kozlodoev]

My only thing with Doc is that when the starters continue to play bad he keeps them in and doesn't give any of the bench players a chance to show what they can do

There is a reason why the bench players are not starters. Just saying.

[Chris]

My only thing with Doc is that when the starters continue to play bad he keeps them in and doesn't give any of the bench players a chance to show what they can do

There is a reason why the bench players are not starters. Just saying.

Exactly.  I think a lot of people fail to realize that the fans are not the ones assessing these players.  In addition to the games, the coaches watch them for 10, 20, 30 times as much time in practice/scrimages.  That is where they get to "show what they can do". 

[Who]

My only thing with Doc is that when the starters continue to play bad he keeps them in and doesn't give any of the bench players a chance to show what they can do

I agree, especially in this condensed schedule, I think Doc has to ride with whoever is giving the team the best energy/effort on a given night. Be more prepared to go away from his preferred rotations and to give extended minutes to (multiple) bench players where appropriate.

[Chris]

My only thing with Doc is that when the starters continue to play bad he keeps them in and doesn't give any of the bench players a chance to show what they can do

I agree, especially in this condensed schedule, I think Doc has to ride with whoever is giving the team the best energy/effort on a given night. Be more prepared to go away from his preferred rotations and to give extended minutes to (multiple) bench players where appropriate.

Has he not done this though?  I think he has done this much more than usual. 

[Who]

My only thing with Doc is that when the starters continue to play bad he keeps them in and doesn't give any of the bench players a chance to show what they can do

I agree, especially in this condensed schedule, I think Doc has to ride with whoever is giving the team the best energy/effort on a given night. Be more prepared to go away from his preferred rotations and to give extended minutes to (multiple) bench players where appropriate.

Has he not done this though?  I think he has done this much more than usual. 

I don't think so.

[pearljammer10]

So Doc is stubborn because he plays Bradley over Moore? Have you been to all the practices to see who is the one working harder and deserving the minutes?

[Chris]

My only thing with Doc is that when the starters continue to play bad he keeps them in and doesn't give any of the bench players a chance to show what they can do

I agree, especially in this condensed schedule, I think Doc has to ride with whoever is giving the team the best energy/effort on a given night. Be more prepared to go away from his preferred rotations and to give extended minutes to (multiple) bench players where appropriate.

Has he not done this though?  I think he has done this much more than usual.  

I don't think so.

Maybe I was just prepared for the worst, but I think he has ridden a lot of the bench guys a lot more than in the past.  He has gone with Stiemsma a lot considering his limitations, and that he has been burned many times defensively.  Bass has gotten some extended runs, so has Dooling.  Last night he kept Pietrus on the court until he literally couldn't make it up the other end.  

[kozlodoev]

So Doc is stubborn because he plays Bradley over Moore? Have you been to all the practices to see who is the one working harder and deserving the minutes?

Moore has gotten some run, albeit minimal, and has shown absolutely nothing. As limited as he is, Bradley has been the better player this season.

[MBunge]

So Doc is stubborn because he plays Bradley over Moore? Have you been to all the practices to see who is the one working harder and deserving the minutes?

Moore has gotten some run, albeit minimal, and has shown absolutely nothing. As limited as he is, Bradley has been the better player this season.

Moore has played a total of 19 minutes in 4 of the 9 games so far this season.  Bradley has played a total of 85 minutes in all 9 games.  In Bradley's 1st 6 games, he went 1-9 from the field and racked up 2 points, 1 assist and 5 rebounds total.  In his 19 minutes on the court, Moore has gone 2-6 and racked up 5 points, 1 assist and 1 rebound.  Moore has an efficiency rating of +.6.  Despite playing almost 5 times as many minutes, Bradley has an efficiency rating of just +1.67.

I don't really think that Moore's gotten enough of a chance or that Bradley's shown anything at all to justify not giving Moore a chance.

Mike

[Reyquila]

Doc is not necessarily stubborn. We dont have the means to find that out for sure. What we can be sure of is that he is not one of the better coaches. His actions speak for themselves. He is just not a bright coach. We won in 2008 cause we blitzkrieged the rest of the league with the miracle of the Big Three. The rest of the league want prepared for our surprised package. Well, the league took 1 and 3/4 seasons to get recover from us. WQe finished first in our division cause the rest of the teams in it were too weak to challenged us; mother time has caught up with us cause we have not been able to refresh our team with new blood- we draft poor and the ones we draft, we dont play for whatever reason you want to put accept. We are holding on to our spent assets cause thats the way the Celtics do it. We milk the very last drop of worthdiness from our spent stars cause we rather die with our has beens than trade value for value. That has not cut it for 25 years and will not cut it now.We were the fklash in the Pan for 1 3/4 seasons - no more. Now we pay the Piper cause we have no rising stars to continue being relevant - excpet Mr. Rondo and sometimes Mr. Bass.

[Who]

My only thing with Doc is that when the starters continue to play bad he keeps them in and doesn't give any of the bench players a chance to show what they can do

I agree, especially in this condensed schedule, I think Doc has to ride with whoever is giving the team the best energy/effort on a given night. Be more prepared to go away from his preferred rotations and to give extended minutes to (multiple) bench players where appropriate.

Has he not done this though?  I think he has done this much more than usual. 

I don't think so.

Maybe I was just prepared for the worst, but I think he has ridden a lot of the bench guys a lot more than in the past.  He has gone with Stiemsma a lot.  Bass has gotten some extended runs, so has Dooling.  Last night he kept Pietrus on the court until he literally couldn't make it up the other end. 

Last night with Pierce and Pietrus in the fourth, Doc did so. I want to see more of that. That was really the only time in the season that I have noticed Doc sitting down a starter in favour of a bench player.

Jermaine O'Neal seems to get his minutes no matter what he does and Doc seems very reluctant to give Ray/Rondo less than 35mpg or Garnett less than 30.

The only time the starter's minutes seem to go down is if it's a blowout. Otherwise Doc is riding with the starters in the respective minutes range he wants to see them in. Then taking whatever he can get from whatever bench player is available.

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To go back to my first quote and come full circle ...

I just think there are going to be more nights this season, due to the condensed schedule, where one (or more) of the best players on the team doesn't have their legs and won't be able to give the team good service ... and that Doc needs to show a greater willingness to sit them down on nights like that and play the bench players instead. Especially when he is getting good service from one (or more) of the bench players.

I'd like to see more flexibility from Doc in this area.

[ianboyextreme]

Doc is not necessarily stubborn. We dont have the means to find that out for sure. What we can be sure of is that he is not one of the better coaches. His actions speak for themselves. He is just not a bright coach. We won in 2008 cause we blitzkrieged the rest of the league with the miracle of the Big Three. The rest of the league want prepared for our surprised package. Well, the league took 1 and 3/4 seasons to get recover from us. WQe finished first in our division cause the rest of the teams in it were too weak to challenged us; mother time has caught up with us cause we have not been able to refresh our team with new blood- we draft poor and the ones we draft, we dont play for whatever reason you want to put accept. We are holding on to our spent assets cause thats the way the Celtics do it. We milk the very last drop of worthdiness from our spent stars cause we rather die with our has beens than trade value for value. That has not cut it for 25 years and will not cut it now.We were the fklash in the Pan for 1 3/4 seasons - no more. Now we pay the Piper cause we have no rising stars to continue being relevant - excpet Mr. Rondo and sometimes Mr. Bass.

[Edited.]  Name-calling is not allowed. -RH

[Meadowlark_Scal]

And he has given Stiemsma a ton of minutes for a guy who has one NBA skill. 

I really think you are selling the guy short here.

He's shown that he can block shots well.
He's shown that he can hit jumpers well.
He's shown that he can get rebounds well.
He's shown that he rotates and generally plays defense well.

I am with you on this one...Watching steamer..I can't see how or why he doesn't play more. He robounds, follows the shots, sets pcks, then rolls at the right time, passes well, has a solid 10 foot shot..and can finish in the paint...He has yet to get two passes down low in 1 game..and like  always say Doc hates rebounders...you rebound, you sit...! That is how he thinks...don't believe me, just watch...!