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Re: 2nd unit needs offense: What about Agent Zero?
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2012, 01:52:53 PM »

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Considering all we have to offer is vet. min. right? So, what the heck. Give him a shot, very low risk investment.
I'd rather give the minutes to Dooling/Bradley and see if the can become more comfortable offensively.

Bradley still has ways to go development wise, and I Gilbert wouldn't take much away from Dooling. I envision them playing together. If anything, he'd take away minutes away from Marquis, particularly when Pietrus comes back.
I don't like that plan because playing Dooling at SG so much has already been painful for our defense. Adding another poor defender next to him in Arenas instead of two superior ones (Rondo/Bradley) would mean our backup bigs would be in foul trouble every game.

Only in the scenario in which Rondo is coming back into the game will there need to be a choice between Arenas and Dooling, let them duke it out and see who wins the role. That aside, I'd gladly sacrifice Bradley's defense for a better offensive flow if Arenas is capable of bringing it. Dooling as a SG/PG would be a complete non-issue with Arenas here, as he'd help with ball control and essentially draw the focus of defenders to him.

If we find ourselves in a scenario in which defense is needed then just bring in Rondo/Bradley, whomever. Having Arenas is simply an option, nothing more. It's up to the coach to use him wisely.

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Remember, he was being fairly effective in Washington before being traded.
No he wasn't, go look at the splits again:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/arenagi01.html

He was chucking up 7 threes per game, and only hitting 32% of them. He also shot 8 other two point attempts at around 45%. This is while bottom of the barrel defense and dominating the ball to the detriment of his team's overall offense.

Then when given a lesser role on a better team he got worse, the C's would give him even less time to work with and would probably get worse results.

I'd take those numbers from a bench player who'll have a limited role, who promises to give us excellent performances offense wise at any given time. Again, consistency will be an issue, but I'd take that considering how many other options we can go to in our bench if he's having a poor game. Consistency is an issue regardless, and more than anything it's our offensive lulls that kill us.

And really got no problem with Arenas chucking shots off our bench. I'd worry about it if he was playing with our starters, which would be very limited situations if we consider how Doc rotates players.

Also consider, that we don't have a big guy who clogs the middle, it should Arenas have better penetrating lanes with us, than with the Magic who teams game planned into stopping penetration and double teaming Dwight when needed, essentially closing the middle as much as possible.

Anyways, regardless of all the crap we're talking about, fact is he can be a very dangerous player any given time, and can be had very cheaply in a manner that it's not restrictive to anything the Celtics might want to do in the near future, or in the far future.

Seriously, what do you have to lose? The only thing I'd worry about is Doc mismanaging the situation, which is certainly a concern. Other than that, you might lose on giving Bradley playing time, and are we seriously going to worry too much about that given the chance that someone like Arenas might actually work out for us?

Re: 2nd unit needs offense: What about Agent Zero?
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2012, 02:04:27 PM »

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Considering all we have to offer is vet. min. right? So, what the heck. Give him a shot, very low risk investment.
I'd rather give the minutes to Dooling/Bradley and see if the can become more comfortable offensively.

Bradley still has ways to go development wise, and I Gilbert wouldn't take much away from Dooling. I envision them playing together. If anything, he'd take away minutes away from Marquis, particularly when Pietrus comes back.
I don't like that plan because playing Dooling at SG so much has already been painful for our defense. Adding another poor defender next to him in Arenas instead of two superior ones (Rondo/Bradley) would mean our backup bigs would be in foul trouble every game.

Only in the scenario in which Rondo is coming back into the game will there need to be a choice between Arenas and Dooling, let them duke it out and see who wins the role. That aside, I'd gladly sacrifice Bradley's defense for a better offensive flow if Arenas is capable of bringing it. Dooling as a SG/PG would be a complete non-issue with Arenas here, as he'd help with ball control and essentially draw the focus of defenders to him.

If we find ourselves in a scenario in which defense is needed then just bring in Rondo/Bradley, whomever. Having Arenas is simply an option, nothing more. It's up to the coach to use him wisely.
The issue is that a good coach would just bench Arenas for his bad offense and awful defense. Unless his knee has gotten better and he's suddenly healthy again he won't be any better this year.

Plus don't forget Gilbert has never ever been a PG who ran an offense such that created quality looks for other players. At his prime he was a scoring PG who played like Monta Ellis but in a smaller frame. Now his knees are shot and he can't get to the line like he used to, can't get to the lane like he used to, and he can't hit his jumpers like he used to. (probably because his defender has no worries of him blowing by him)

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Remember, he was being fairly effective in Washington before being traded.
No he wasn't, go look at the splits again:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/arenagi01.html

He was chucking up 7 threes per game, and only hitting 32% of them. He also shot 8 other two point attempts at around 45%. This is while bottom of the barrel defense and dominating the ball to the detriment of his team's overall offense.

Then when given a lesser role on a better team he got worse, the C's would give him even less time to work with and would probably get worse results.

I'd take those numbers from a bench player who'll have a limited role, who promises to give us excellent performances offense wise at any given time. Again, consistency will be an issue, but I'd take that considering how many other options we can go to in our bench if he's having a poor game. Consistency is an issue regardless, and more than anything it's our offensive lulls that kill us.

And really got no problem with Arenas chucking shots off our bench. I'd worry about it if he was playing with our starters, which would be very limited situations if we consider how Doc rotates players.

Also consider, that we don't have a big guy who clogs the middle, it should Arenas have better penetrating lanes with us, than with the Magic who teams game planned into stopping penetration and double teaming Dwight when needed, essentially closing the middle as much as possible.

Anyways, regardless of all the crap we're talking about, fact is he can be a very dangerous player any given time, and can be had very cheaply in a manner that it's not restrictive to anything the Celtics might want to do in the near future, or in the far future.

Seriously, what do you have to lose? The only thing I'd worry about is Doc mismanaging the situation, which is certainly a concern. Other than that, you might lose on giving Bradley playing time, and are we seriously going to worry too much about that given the chance that someone like Arenas might actually work out for us?
What we have to lose is the fact that we'd likely lose even more games while giving Gilbert burn. Let me stress this again, he graded out as one of the five worst defensive players in the league. Meanwhile he also posted a 93 offensive rating with well below average assist rate, accuracy, and free throw rate from a PG/SG.

Why in the world would a below average offensive player who was once great help us? He had one good playoff game and what three or four okay offensive games for the Magic over 49 games.

Re: 2nd unit needs offense: What about Agent Zero?
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2012, 02:23:38 PM »

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The second unit has a need for offense?  ???
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Re: 2nd unit needs offense: What about Agent Zero?
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2012, 10:10:55 AM »

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The second unit has a need for offense?  ???

Pietrus coming will help the O a little by spacing the floor with his spot up corner threes. He also slashes occasionally and can finish on the break. Does not create his own shot though.

Arenas can create his own shot. We need a scorer for real cheap money. Arenas fits the bill. Is he perfect? No. If he was, he wouldn't still be available.

Arenas can also bring the ball up court. Little to lose...lot to gain. I think we should sign him.

Re: 2nd unit needs offense: What about Agent Zero?
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2012, 10:50:07 AM »

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I can't believe we having this discussion. Agent Zero is a LOSER!!! He does not belong in this league. He has his money and should just go away to the Siberian Basketball League.
The beatings will continue until morale improves

Re: 2nd unit needs offense: What about Agent Zero?
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2012, 11:19:02 AM »

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I can't believe we having this discussion. Agent Zero is a LOSER!!! He does not belong in this league. He has his money and should just go away to the Siberian Basketball League.
lol @ the bolded but real talk he's an inefficient chucker who doesnt play defense nd it outta shape its a reason nobody is beatin down his door for contract offers. nd the OP said he's a celtics hater if he dont roll wit us we dont roll wit him

Re: 2nd unit needs offense: What about Agent Zero?
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2012, 11:39:58 AM »

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It's funny Areneas and Lewis with two of the largest contracts have gone from huge scoring threats and team contributors to relatively nothing in a matter of two years. Honestly I never liked the trade for ORL/Was for both sides, definitely killed both of their careers.

Although bringing guns to a locker room isnt exactly a career booster  ;D
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Re: 2nd unit needs offense: What about Agent Zero?
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2012, 12:06:10 PM »

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 We need to score, Bradley and Pavlovic should not be on the roster, and Dooling is very irregular.
Arenas would be a great help, do not understand how Arenas or Iverson will be free agents, and Bradley, Pavlovic in the league.

  Ainge and Doc are wrong, we have no bench.

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Re: 2nd unit needs offense: What about Agent Zero?
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2012, 12:12:43 PM »

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While I agree that this defense certainly needs improvement in the scoring department, I don't see any kind of recent evidence that supports that Arenas can provide scoring option.

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« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2012, 12:29:57 PM »

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To make room I guess we could cut Pavlovich but I wouldn't do that for Arenas.  There will be much better options down the road I suspect as teams buy out contracts.

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« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2012, 12:44:18 PM »

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If he signs somewhere this season, Orlando doesn't have to pay his salary, right? I'd probably be sitting the year out too...

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« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2012, 12:46:00 PM »

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If he signs somewhere this season, Orlando doesn't have to pay his salary, right? I'd probably be sitting the year out too...


Orlando pays the difference I believe.

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« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2012, 12:46:37 PM »

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There are at least a dozen reasons why we don't need or want Agent Zero. Let this quote from him be proof of one of them.

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"I understand what people think because of the perception of me. They read the funny stuff, like me taking a crap in [teammate] Andray Blatche's shoes. But nobody is going to ask what Andray did to deserve it. You read about it because that's when I'm at my goofiest, when I'm around my teammates." Gilbert Arenas

Do we really need a guy in our lockerroom who thinks that is goofy and funny? He is sick in the head and a bad presence in the gym and on the court. Moves like that are why guys have to bring guns into the lockerroom...oh yeah, that too.

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Re: 2nd unit needs offense: What about Agent Zero?
« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2012, 02:11:45 PM »

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There are at least a dozen reasons why we don't need or want Agent Zero. Let this quote from him be proof of one of them.

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"I understand what people think because of the perception of me. They read the funny stuff, like me taking a crap in [teammate] Andray Blatche's shoes. But nobody is going to ask what Andray did to deserve it. You read about it because that's when I'm at my goofiest, when I'm around my teammates." Gilbert Arenas

Do we really need a guy in our lockerroom who thinks that is goofy and funny? He is sick in the head and a bad presence in the gym and on the court. Moves like that are why guys have to bring guns into the lockerroom...oh yeah, that too.


i followed him on twitter when he had his account he was almost as crazy as Delonte West wit his tweets good entertainment value tho but he said some of the craziest stuff of any athlete

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« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2012, 02:38:47 PM »

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Mavs will snatch him up prob

They arent afraid to take risks

Delonte, Carter, Yi

All low risk high reward guys. May not work out but they arent afraid to put all their chips in the center of the table.