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Offline bfrombleacher

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At 5, almost 6 million, Jermaine O'Neal is bringing to the table what Greg Stiemsma can. We could have used his production today but that didn't happen. That amount is for a difference maker, especially in games tonight, against MIA, against NY but clearly he has not been one. Is there anything we can do about him now? Can we amnesty him? Does any team need an expiring contract?

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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2012, 08:05:12 AM »

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JO held the Pacers to under 20% shooting single handedly as he locked down the paint

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JO did OK for an old  JO.  Email DH and see if he wants to come to Boston...? 

Our players are so old , now when they have an OFF shooting night , which everybody does,  they can't make it up in some other way so much like they could 5 years ago .  When LBJ or Wade have an off night from outside , they use they athleticism to drive to the bucket or get close in looks and tons of fast breaks. They use their energy to force the game in their favor.
Kobe does this for the LA , game after game , after game, figures out a way to score and takes the team on his back.  

When you team is old , can't jump , can block out , when they are off from the outside , then the game is over.




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Jermaine is indeed a very weak link, however I have to say as i said in the fan post that the C's are at best an average team this year because they don't have the star power anymore from their over the hill stars, and their youth don't get enough playing time to develop and enhance their skills. Not to mention they should've never traded Marshon Brooks, he has great potential and could be a star in the league in a short time

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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2012, 09:30:15 AM »

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I think they could still block out in all honesty but they don't.  They are still thinking they are 23 and can use their athletic ability to rebound.   The problem is they do not box out and have not realized they are a step too slow or can't sky as high as they used to do.  Like him or HATE him, Bill Laimbeer boxed out.  His rebounds per minute stayed pretty decent even in the later years of his career because he boxed out.  They dropped a little but he still was getting 20% of the rebounds when he was out there as opposed to 25% because he still boxed out.

O'Neal has not been too good thus far.

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Jermaine's defense seemed pretty good last night but he's one dimensional at this point.  He blocks shots and tries to take charges.  His offensive game is nonexistent.  His post moves are as slow as Perks were, and he always seems to fall away then hit the front of the rim.

Stiemsma looks a little better to me, although the refs have been robbing him because he doesn't have a reputation yet.  Stiemsma can hit the jumper when left alone, and he has made a few passes that Jermaine could never make.  I'd prefer to start Greg and bring JO off the bench.  He just seems to be more well rounded.

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They didn't call them the "O'Neal Brothers"
for no reason.

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2nd weakest link..out of guys that play....Marquis is the weakest link....I mean sure, he did get hurt..ect....but so what...put him on unjured reserve then...the D league till he gets a clue how or what to do.....He is..a never was...his D...not tony allen quality....he is near his man..but i haven't seen any big shutdowns..and scoring..layups....dunking ( can he?)...Weakest link..!

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At 5, almost 6 million, Jermaine O'Neal is bringing to the table what Greg Stiemsma can.
The sentiment that Stiemsma can replace O'Neal, as mediocre as the latter has been this season is simply laughable.
"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."

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I think they could still block out in all honesty but they don't.  They are still thinking they are 23 and can use their athletic ability to rebound.   The problem is they do not box out and have not realized they are a step too slow or can't sky as high as they used to do.  Like him or HATE him, Bill Laimbeer boxed out.  His rebounds per minute stayed pretty decent even in the later years of his career because he boxed out.  They dropped a little but he still was getting 20% of the rebounds when he was out there as opposed to 25% because he still boxed out.

O'Neal has not been too good thus far.

Yup they could learn a thing or two even from the old Spurs u see Timmy he looks 50yrs old out there but he boxes out.

I think Paul and Rondo at times are the only guys on our squad that box out.
"7ft PG. Rondo leaves and GUESS WHAT? We got a BIGGER point guard!"-Tommy on Olynyk


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JO is better than most weakest links.

Omri Casspi
Mozgov
Biedrins
Jordan Hill
Matt Barnes
Joel Anthony
Mbah a Mboute/Delfino
Darko/Wesley Johnson
Douglas
Sefolosha
Channing Frye
Raja Bell
Rasual Butler
everyone on NJ other than Williams

to name a few.
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Philly:

Anderson Varejao    Tiago Splitter    Matt Bonner
David West    Kenyon Martin    Brad Miller
Andre Iguodala    Josh Childress    Marquis Daniels
Dwyane Wade    Leandro Barbosa
Kirk Hinrich    Toney Douglas   + the legendary Kevin McHale

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The sentiment that Stiemsma can replace O'Neal, as mediocre as the latter has been this season is simply laughable.

I would point out that Greg in his one start brought energy and outplayed JO in that one game.  I don't think Greg could maintain it though. 

Stiesmsa's big weakness is that he is not good at defending position.  He gives up the sweet spot and although he shows great timing he let's guys get him too low.

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JO is better than most weakest links.


.......everyone on NJ other than Williams

to name a few.

Shawne, Deron, Shelden, or Jordan?.......just kidding, knew who you meant....sorry couldn't resist

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The sentiment that Stiemsma can replace O'Neal, as mediocre as the latter has been this season is simply laughable.

I would point out that Greg in his one start brought energy and outplayed JO in that one game.  I don't think Greg could maintain it though. 

Stiesmsa's big weakness is that he is not good at defending position.  He gives up the sweet spot and although he shows great timing he let's guys get him too low.
Well, the Wizards are quite pathetic this season, so I wouldn't read much into it. When Stiemsma can stop being pushed around by other centers, then we can have this conversation, but at this point he clearly can't be your starting center.
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I think Steamer is doing very well, and with some more support, and seasoning..he will help us out fine...!Watch him without bias next game, off the ball, as in watch the whole floor, not just the ball. Support means, a few passes or a play ran for him..it worked for perk...and it took good old doc a year os so to realize that running a play for perk might bring him onto the team more...and back then it did work....but perk needed more college training..as in 1) he actually is 7 feet, and 2) keep the ball high, finish strong....