C's have lost to every quality team they played so far

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I don't have a trade idea but... I want to know how do we get Gortat... any ideas? I think he is a piece to help us beat these teams. He looks to hit hard (from what I have seen) he's adequate defensively and he can score the ball. What do you guys think?

Rondo + Bradley + Clips pick + JO

for

Nash + Gortat + Shannon Brown + Suns 1st pick

Ehhh, would be okay if RR wasn't in for Nash... although I like Nash, RR could give us what Nash does for many more years(except scoring consistently/fts).

[PosImpos]

I don't have a trade idea but... I want to know how do we get Gortat... any ideas? I think he is a piece to help us beat these teams. He looks to hit hard (from what I have seen) he's adequate defensively and he can score the ball. What do you guys think?

Rondo + Bradley + Clips pick + JO

for

Nash + Gortat + Shannon Brown + Suns 1st pick

Ehhh, would be okay if RR wasn't in for Nash... although I like Nash, RR could give us what Nash does for many more years(except scoring consistently/fts).

Yeah, but what good is Rondo to us after this year?  He's shown us time and time again that he doesn't have the game nor the mental makeup to be "the man" and carry the team, particularly down the stretch in close games.  Rondo wants to be a facilitator.  He wants to make other people better.  That's not gonna do us any good after this season when we're rebuilding.

[Celticjay]

I don't have a trade idea but... I want to know how do we get Gortat... any ideas? I think he is a piece to help us beat these teams. He looks to hit hard (from what I have seen) he's adequate defensively and he can score the ball. What do you guys think?

That is an interesting idea.  It would basically give us a chance this year, but the cupboard would be bare for next season.

We'd only have Pierce and Gortat plus the rookies.   I guess you could amnesty Pierce but the would be a tough decision as he just has to retire here. 

Danny needs to pull a rabbit out of his hat..

Rondo + Bradley + Clips pick + JO

for

Nash + Gortat + Shannon Brown + Suns 1st pick

[wayupnorth]

I don't have a trade idea but... I want to know how do we get Gortat... any ideas? I think he is a piece to help us beat these teams. He looks to hit hard (from what I have seen) he's adequate defensively and he can score the ball. What do you guys think?

Rondo + Bradley + Clips pick + JO

for

Nash + Gortat + Shannon Brown + Suns 1st pick

Ehhh, would be okay if RR wasn't in for Nash... although I like Nash, RR could give us what Nash does for many more years(except scoring consistently/fts).

Yeah, but what good is Rondo to us after this year?  He's shown us time and time again that he doesn't have the game nor the mental makeup to be "the man" and carry the team, particularly down the stretch in close games.  Rondo wants to be a facilitator.  He wants to make other people better.  That's not gonna do us any good after this season when we're rebuilding.

Wasn't that, at one point anyway, the standard point guards were held to?

[Celticjay]

Nash trade

That is an interesting idea.  It would basically give us a chance this year, but the cupboard would be bare for next season.

We'd only have Pierce and Gortat plus the rookies.   I guess you could amnesty Pierce but the would be a tough decision as he just has to retire here.  Basically starting all over.  I think it's time to rebuild now while some of these guys have some value.  

Rondo, Ray and even Pierce could net some nice picks.  Problem is nobody would even consider coming here in FA if the team is blown up.  I think trading salary for salary is the only way.  I think Utah would easily trade Big and and someone else for KG's expiring deal..  (That would be ironic)

Bulls might give up a Taj gibson or a Omer Asik for Ray Allen.  (maybe not now that rip is there).  

Perhaps Deron Williams for Rondo if Nets feel his isn't a safe bet to stay.  Gives us one run and a chance to sell Williams on boston..  Either way you can sign and trade him like CP3.    I think this would be the ideal. scenario.  With DWill I think we  could be competitive in the playoffs this year, but still would be underdogs unless we are able to also address the Center spot and rebounding.  If we could pry Gortat somehow we could be in business.  

Gortat
KG
Pierce
RA
Dwilliams.  

Bench
Bass, Pietrus, Wilcox, Bradley, Steimer, JJ, Moore.

That would be fun..  

I guess it's time to wake up from this dream...

Title shot isn't possible unless danny pulls a rabbit out of his hat..

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Don't want to start a new thread... can someone tell me what's wrong with Quis, what is he shooting 3%? It's been terrible to say the least!

[celtics2]

NYK=L ( and they aren't even good , I know I know, no PP  )
Mia= L
Ind = L

This is going to be an ugly season with the c's hovering around 500

There is no front court rebounding whatsoever.

Can you say #7 seed?

I for one will not watch a 7-8 seed feeding frenzy from a 1-2 seed. If Celts are headed for lower than 6 do the honorable act. Tank....

[timpiker]

You're right - this team sucks against good teams.  The C's announcers seem to ignore that.  Before last night's game they were touting the great D in the last 4 games...what a joke - 2 against the Wizards and the Pistons and the Nets.  What a joke stat.

The way this team looks now they will be lucky to be the 6 to 8 seed.

[BudweiserCeltic]

You're right - this team sucks against good teams.  The C's announcers seem to ignore that.  Before last night's game they were touting the great D in the last 4 games...what a joke - 2 against the Wizards and the Pistons and the Nets.  What a joke stat.

The way this team looks now they will be lucky to be the 6 to 8 seed.

And yet for all the complaints, we defended the Pacers quite well, so certainly praising the D in that stint isn't a joke.

[toine83]

C's bench is full of players with above average athleticsm, good one on one defenders but very low basketball IQ.
In 2008 with Cassell, Posey and Brown we had smart players that knew what their role on the team was.

We need a backup point guard that can make plays, a backup PF that can pass the ball, and make a better team defense, a backup Center that will bring hustle, defense and rebounds.

If Przyzbilla is healthy he can help a lot
Hinrich or Ridnour would be better backups for Rondo than Dooling/Bradley

[kozlodoev]

The overreaction on this forum is hilarious....the celtics had a horrid shooting night nothing the pacers did defensively was special...just the celts shots werent falling and werent rebounding well...theyll be fine

The Celtics had a horrid shooting night because they took horrid shots. And the troubling aspect of it is precisely that they couldn't get anything better even though the Pacers defense wasn't anything special.

But yeah, of course they'll be fine -- no-one has died from being a mediocre basketball team.

[twinbree]

I don't have a trade idea but... I want to know how do we get Gortat... any ideas? I think he is a piece to help us beat these teams. He looks to hit hard (from what I have seen) he's adequate defensively and he can score the ball. What do you guys think?

Rondo + Bradley + Clips pick + JO

for

Nash + Gortat + Shannon Brown + Suns 1st pick

Ehhh, would be okay if RR wasn't in for Nash... although I like Nash, RR could give us what Nash does for many more years(except scoring consistently/fts).

Yeah, but what good is Rondo to us after this year?  He's shown us time and time again that he doesn't have the game nor the mental makeup to be "the man" and carry the team, particularly down the stretch in close games.  Rondo wants to be a facilitator.  He wants to make other people better.  That's not gonna do us any good after this season when we're rebuilding.

What good is a PG who actually tries to fulfill the playmaking part of his duties? When did having the mental makeup to be the man become the prerequisite of being useful to rebuilding teams? The point of rebuilding is to build a good team and to do that you need good young players on reasonable contracts. And players who as you say can make their teammates better are assets to every kind of team. I don't understand this kind of thinking. Heaven forbid a player tries to facilitate and make his team-mates better. The horror.

Doc and Danny have observed Rondo closely for years now. If we're rebuilding and he's still here obviously they will bring in players that complement his strengths and can compensate for his weakness. It's not like they are planning to surround Rondo with nonathletic players who are poor shooters.  

[Celtics4ever]

You saw the pregame you know peeps think our window is rapidly closing and by peeps I mean David West.   It is logical to assume that has to also be the consensus across the league.  It will limit our ability to sign folks somewhat does anyone think that folks want to come here to rebuild?

It was a bad game but there are some trends.   The one that bothers me is that our consistent main stays are not as consistent as they once were.   You never know if bad KG or good KG is going to show up for example.

Statistically we are doing better at defending, shooting and rebounding this year so far than we did last year.   I looked at our team ratings and I was astounded at basketball reference.

[tyrone biggums]

NYK=L ( and they aren't even good , I know I know, no PP  )
Mia= L
Ind = L

This is going to be an ugly season with the c's hovering around 500

There is no front court rebounding whatsoever.

Can you say #7 seed?

I for one will not watch a 7-8 seed feeding frenzy from a 1-2 seed. If Celts are headed for lower than 6 do the honorable act. Tank....

Please stop with the 7th-8th seed talk, its been 8 games. Granted, 8 games in a 66 game season means more than the norm but there is no way in hell 7 teams in the East will finish better than the Celtics, no matter how much you want it to happen. Tanking is absolutely not the answer, I watched this team when M.L. Carr was the coach (yeah, remember that)...don't want to go back to that. Sure a team like the Bulls are good now, but it took them over a decade to get back to being a relevant team.

If we tank, we have the same chance of getting a player such as Thabeet as we do in getting a player like Rose.

[snowball]

This is all true, but the bottom line is it
doesn't matter what seed we get. The Celtics
can be the 8th Seed and still bring the "ON"
switch. Health and freshness is all that matters.