Danny Ainge: I wasn't shopping Rondo (But would trade him for impact player)

[rondohondo]

http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/7430691/danny-ainge-insists-boston-celtics-trying-trade-rajon-rondo

To Boston Celtics president of basketball operations Danny Ainge, actively shopping a player on the trade market is not the same concept as using one to acquire an impact player.

Ainge stressed this difference Thursday when asked about the offseason trade talks involving point guard Rajon Rondo and former Hornet Chris Paul.

"I was not trying to trade Rajon Rondo," Ainge told WEEI's "The Big Show." "There's a big difference between trying to acquire a player and trying to trade a player. I know that some people say, 'Oh, that's just semantics.' No it's not. Rondo knows what I was trying to do, and he knows I wasn't shopping him around and trying to trade him, like has been reported. There's a big difference."

Ainge insisted that Rondo's name was only came up only as the Celtics pursued an available game-changing player in Paul.

"I sat down with Rondo when he got back into town, when the lockout ended, and I just told him the truth of what was going on. And that was it," Ainge told WEEI. "I've had conversations since --
 I told him exactly what was happening."

http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/7430691/danny-ainge-insists-boston-celtics-trying-trade-rajon-rondo

I have to believe that Deron Williams would be considered to be an impact player and better than Rondo. With the rumors that Deron Williams is unhappy in New Jersey and with New Jersey most likely unable to trade for Dwight, he will likely be on the trading block by February.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=52074.msg1107428;topicseen#new
(Deron Williams unhappy in NJ thread)


I think this has a good shot of happening,Rondo is likely the best offer they could get for Deron and is signed for 4 more years.

If C's acquire Williams they will have his bird rights this off-season and would be able to offer him a much larger max contract than any other team, so it's almost a guarantee he would resign. Plus they would still have a bunch of cap room, who knows maybe Dwight reaches free agency. We already know he would like to play with Deron because NJ was one of 3 teams he said he would sign a contract extension with.

This could get interesting.......
I promise no more Deron Williams threads after this.

[bfrombleacher]

Apparently Williams is struggling recently while Rondo is on the rise. Is that true?

[rondohondo]

Apparently Williams is struggling recently while Rondo is on the rise. Is that true?

Rondo still hasn't improved his FT shooting at all and Williams is playing with a starting 5 of Deron, Sundiata Gaines, Damien James, Humphries and Petro....

I think Williams would be on the rise too if he was playing with the big 3 and Bass.

[Army_of_One_Nation]

If indeed they trade RR for DWill, I hope they send out JO in exchange for Humphries, too.

[lightspeed5]

Apparently Williams is struggling recently while Rondo is on the rise. Is that true?

Rondo still hasn't improved his FT shooting at all and Williams is playing with a starting 5 of Deron, Sundiata Gaines, Damien James, Humphries and Petro....

I think Williams would be on the rise too if he was playing with the big 3 and Bass.

williams sucks stop making excuses

[rondohondo]

Apparently Williams is struggling recently while Rondo is on the rise. Is that true?

Rondo still hasn't improved his FT shooting at all and Williams is playing with a starting 5 of Deron, Sundiata Gaines, Damien James, Humphries and Petro....

I think Williams would be on the rise too if he was playing with the big 3 and Bass.

williams sucks stop making excuses

Ok ? 

[bfrombleacher]

Apparently Williams is struggling recently while Rondo is on the rise. Is that true?

Rondo still hasn't improved his FT shooting at all and Williams is playing with a starting 5 of Deron, Sundiata Gaines, Damien James, Humphries and Petro....

I think Williams would be on the rise too if he was playing with the big 3 and Bass.

I see. No wonder his numbers were so turd-ish.

I think Rondo, Ray and Bass were the only ones in the first few games who played well while everyone else pretty much sucked. 

[xmuscularghandix]

Apparently Williams is struggling recently while Rondo is on the rise. Is that true?

Rondo still hasn't improved his FT shooting at all and Williams is playing with a starting 5 of Deron, Sundiata Gaines, Damien James, Humphries and Petro....

I think Williams would be on the rise too if he was playing with the big 3 and Bass.

I see. No wonder his numbers were so turd-ish.

I think Rondo, Ray and Bass were the only ones in the first few games who played well while everyone else pretty much sucked. 

Everyone else = Paul Piere, who wasn't playing. I put those first 2 losses on the absence of Paul Pierce... and not only that but the fact that you're replacing him with Sasha Pavlovic. Replace Paul with Pietrus you probably beat New York, replace him with Green then who knows? The Celtics could easily have only 1 loss.

[bfrombleacher]

Apparently Williams is struggling recently while Rondo is on the rise. Is that true?

Rondo still hasn't improved his FT shooting at all and Williams is playing with a starting 5 of Deron, Sundiata Gaines, Damien James, Humphries and Petro....

I think Williams would be on the rise too if he was playing with the big 3 and Bass.

I see. No wonder his numbers were so turd-ish.

I think Rondo, Ray and Bass were the only ones in the first few games who played well while everyone else pretty much sucked. 

Everyone else = Paul Piere, who wasn't playing. I put those first 2 losses on the absence of Paul Pierce... and not only that but the fact that you're replacing him with Sasha Pavlovic. Replace Paul with Pietrus you probably beat New York, replace him with Green then who knows? The Celtics could easily have only 1 loss.

I thought KG and JO weren't themselves in the first two games either.

[SHAQATTACK]

Rondo seems to have matured some or at least accepted like death and taxes everybody gets traded in the NBA sooner or latter.

JO is still miffed at being shopped around, I think he really wanted to stay and play a role on this team. Danny needs a young confident center to play most of the minutes and JO would be a nice backup. 

[2short]

Chris Paul is the top pg in the nba (and I'm a big rondo fan) but if the reports were true on how much we were going to give in the trade AND not have Paul signed to an extension it would have been foolish.  I don't care for Williams as much now, says a lot about a player who is pouting in new home and his old team he forced the firing of the best coach in nba (shame on utah!)
early in the season but as of now rondo is playing like #1 or #2 pg in the nba
my hope is danny is going to build the team around rondo and start a fast break team who can also do half court when it needs to ala 70's celtics
go after Love, great rebounding is the key to fast breaks, Pierce, Green, Bass, Ray & KG?    as great as Rondo's assist totals are he's never had the fast break game to "pad" assist totals and no this doesn't mean because the suns run that nash has padded assist totals but running obviously adds easy assists and easy buckets for the wing men to fill lanes

[wdleehi]

I still make the trade Williams for Rondo. 


Both are PGs that need someone on the other end to make shots. 


Rondo has those players right now, Williams does not. 



Williams not playing well and wanting out is a good thing at the moment.  It means his value goes down and the Celtics would not have to give up more then Rondo. 


Williams is still the better player draw then Rondo at this point. 

[BballTim]

I still make the trade Williams for Rondo. 


Both are PGs that need someone on the other end to make shots. 


Rondo has those players right now, Williams does not. 

  Funny, I'd say dozens of the posts in favor of trading Rondo for a player like Paul or Williams or Westbrook contained the argument that those players would all be better to have than Rondo in a rebuilding situation because Rajon isn't as effective without good scorers around him while those "superior" players are so much better offensively that they aren't dependent on other players to be effective. Lo and behold, Deron comes out playing poorly and I keep reading that he's not getting it done because of a lack of talent around him. Color me surprised.

  Well, not surprised, amused maybe.

Williams not playing well and wanting out is a good thing at the moment.  It means his value goes down and the Celtics would not have to give up more then Rondo. 

  Great, so hopefully he's pulling a Vince Carter?

Williams is still the better player draw then Rondo at this point. 

  Or, more likely, Brooklyn is a better player draw than Boston.

[Snakehead]

I still make the trade Williams for Rondo. 


Both are PGs that need someone on the other end to make shots. 


Rondo has those players right now, Williams does not. 

  Funny, I'd say dozens of the posts in favor of trading Rondo for a player like Paul or Williams or Westbrook contained the argument that those players would all be better to have than Rondo in a rebuilding situation because Rajon isn't as effective without good scorers around him while those "superior" players are so much better offensively that they aren't dependent on other players to be effective. Lo and behold, Deron comes out playing poorly and I keep reading that he's not getting it done because of a lack of talent around him. Color me surprised.

  Well, not surprised, amused maybe.

TP Tim, you speak so much sense sometimes I love it.

I was for the Rondo for Paul trade, but at this point I am all in with Rondo.  I know it was just two games without Pierce, but in the Knicks game in particular I think Rondo showed that he often doesn't play the scorer role because we need a faciilitaror, when he had to score against the Knicks he put the effort in there and became a one man fast break and looked for his own shot. 

If we can't put scorers around Rondo for the future, we aren't going to have a good team anyways so I don't get that argument at all.  Of course you need good players around a good player to have GREAT team.  KG was a complete player, one of the most complete ever, in Minnesota and notice he couldn't get it done.  Neither could Paul in New Orleans.  And now we see Williams.  I'll take Rondo, he has proven himself so many times.

[celts55]

Chris Paul is the top pg in the nba (and I'm a big rondo fan) but if the reports were true on how much we were going to give in the trade AND not have Paul signed to an extension it would have been foolish.  I don't care for Williams as much now, says a lot about a player who is pouting in new home and his old team he forced the firing of the best coach in nba (shame on utah!)
early in the season but as of now rondo is playing like #1 or #2 pg in the nba
my hope is danny is going to build the team around rondo and start a fast break team who can also do half court when it needs to ala 70's celtics
go after Love, great rebounding is the key to fast breaks, Pierce, Green, Bass, Ray & KG?    as great as Rondo's assist totals are he's never had the fast break game to "pad" assist totals and no this doesn't mean because the suns run that nash has padded assist totals but running obviously adds easy assists and easy buckets for the wing men to fill lanes

While this has nothing to do with the trading Rondo for Williams issue, which I don't think I would, I've always thought Rondo's assist totals were padded by having shooters like Ray, PP, and KG.
I mean he passes the ball out to Ray who takes a # falling out of bounds and gets an assist. Passes to KG at the top of the key, jump shot, assist. Kicks the ball to Pierce for an outside shot, assist.
I don't have a problem with Rondo, I just think assists are given out to easilly now a days. I even see guys get a pass, take a few dribbles before they shot and the guy who passed them the ball gets an assist?

So off topic, is it me or assists given out much easier that they used to be? And if that's the case, doesn't someone like Rondo who has great shooters benefit greatly from that?