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Typical Kobe
« on: January 05, 2012, 03:45:16 PM »

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Uh-oh. Kobe Bryant may have found a loophole in this whole "teammate" thing.

The Black Mamba showed it off Tuesday night vs. the Houston Rockets. Driving the lane but stuck with no room to shoot, he tossed the ball off the bottom of the backboard, caught it and laid it in.

Who says Kobe doesn't pass the ball?

"I should get an assist for that," Bryant said Wednesday from his car. "It's an intentional pass to oneself, so it's an assist. That way people can't say all I do is shoot."

It's true, people do say Kobe Bryant shoots too much, but this is only because he shoots too much. Kobe Bryant shoots more than lingerie photographers.

He's always been an unrepentant gunner, but he's practically melting the barrel this season. He's taken 71 more shots than his next shootingest teammate, Pau Gasol. He's averaging almost 30 shots a game this month. Bryant believes in shot selection. He selects them all.

Unfortunately, he's making less. He went 6-for-28 the other night. For the season, he's hit only 41.7 percent. Entering Thursday, that tied him for 214th in the league.

And he doesn't care.

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7428242/kobe-bryant-relentless-shooting

He may be a scorer but he's not as good as he once was whether he believes he is or not. That ball hog mentality makes it easier to stop the Lakers.
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Re: Typical Kobe
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2012, 03:49:08 PM »

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At this point, after the Odom deal in particular, I don't think Kobe believes his teammates are good enough to win a ring this year. 

I think he's playing for the all-time scoring list, and the mistaken belief he can carry the team himself, more than trying to be on a championship team.
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2012, 03:51:46 PM »

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Well to Kobe's defense he's putting up top pg assist numbers right now as well as scoring in bunches. Only problem is his fg% but thats improving. If he got a few more steals and blocks, then some points he's basically Lebron in fantasy.

Yet nobody wants to trade for him? weird
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Re: Typical Kobe
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2012, 03:51:46 PM »

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I didn't see the play, but if he found himself stuck, and used the backboard to get himself an open shot, I don't see that as selfish.  I feel dirty for defending Kobe, but he's done a lot worse than that.

Also, he's averaging 6.0 assists per game, which is a career high.  It's only seven games, but it just seems like an odd criticism.
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Re: Typical Kobe
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2012, 03:55:06 PM »

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Quote from: Roy H. on January 05, 2012, 03:51:46 PM
I didn't see the play, but if he found himself stuck, and used the backboard to get himself an open shot, I don't see that as selfish.  I feel dirty for defending Kobe, but he's done a lot worse than that.

Also, he's averaging 6.0 assists per game, which is a career high.  It's only seven games, but it just seems like an odd criticism.
Its Rick Reilly, say no more a stupid analogy tortured to fit his narrative.

Kobe is still a selfish ball hog like he's always been. He's averaging one more assist per game and one more turnover per game  while posting a near career high usage rate. He's posting a career worst offensive rating and the Lakers have a worse offense than the Celtics.
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Re: Typical Kobe
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2012, 04:06:41 PM »

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Quote from: fairweatherfan on January 05, 2012, 03:49:08 PM
At this point, after the Odom deal in particular, I don't think Kobe believes his teammates are good enough to win a ring this year. 

I think he's playing for the all-time scoring list, and the mistaken belief he can carry the team himself, more than trying to be on a championship team.

he's definitely passing Shaq this year in scoring, if he's still playing at this level in the next 2 years even will take MJ, but thats as far as he will go

currently he has 28,049 points and MJ has 32,292
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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2012, 04:09:26 PM »

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Kobe Bryant is also likely playing more effectively through pain than anyone we've seen in a good long while. I'm talking since like..Bird and his back still putting up 20 points on 36 minutes a game without being able to sleep through the night because of the pain.
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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2012, 04:16:38 PM »

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Quote from: manl_lui on January 05, 2012, 04:06:41 PM
Quote from: fairweatherfan on January 05, 2012, 03:49:08 PM
At this point, after the Odom deal in particular, I don't think Kobe believes his teammates are good enough to win a ring this year. 

I think he's playing for the all-time scoring list, and the mistaken belief he can carry the team himself, more than trying to be on a championship team.

he's definitely passing Shaq this year in scoring, if he's still playing at this level in the next 2 years even will take MJ, but thats as far as he will go

currently he has 28,049 points and MJ has 32,292

He's 33, in excellent shape, and has just over 10k to go to get Kareem.  He's got an outside shot at Kareem or at least Malone if he can play til he's 39-40.  And I guarantee he's aware of that.
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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2012, 04:26:33 PM »

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Quote from: Fafnir on January 05, 2012, 03:55:06 PM
Quote from: Roy H. on January 05, 2012, 03:51:46 PM
I didn't see the play, but if he found himself stuck, and used the backboard to get himself an open shot, I don't see that as selfish.  I feel dirty for defending Kobe, but he's done a lot worse than that.

Also, he's averaging 6.0 assists per game, which is a career high.  It's only seven games, but it just seems like an odd criticism.
Its Rick Reilly, say no more a stupid analogy tortured to fit his narrative.

Kobe is still a selfish ball hog like he's always been. He's averaging one more assist per game and one more turnover per game  while posting a near career high usage rate. He's posting a career worst offensive rating and the Lakers have a worse offense than the Celtics.

Makes you wonder how he would (or wouldn't) have adapted to Chris Paul.  It's one thing to hog the ball when the only other stars on the team are big men who are used to garbage duty.  It's another when your equally high-profile backcourt mate expects to call the shots.
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2012, 04:29:13 PM »

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As much as I dislike Kobe, I hate Reilly more.
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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2012, 04:29:28 PM »

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Quote from: snively on January 05, 2012, 04:26:33 PM
Quote from: Fafnir on January 05, 2012, 03:55:06 PM
Quote from: Roy H. on January 05, 2012, 03:51:46 PM
I didn't see the play, but if he found himself stuck, and used the backboard to get himself an open shot, I don't see that as selfish.  I feel dirty for defending Kobe, but he's done a lot worse than that.

Also, he's averaging 6.0 assists per game, which is a career high.  It's only seven games, but it just seems like an odd criticism.
Its Rick Reilly, say no more a stupid analogy tortured to fit his narrative.

Kobe is still a selfish ball hog like he's always been. He's averaging one more assist per game and one more turnover per game  while posting a near career high usage rate. He's posting a career worst offensive rating and the Lakers have a worse offense than the Celtics.

Makes you wonder how he would (or wouldn't) have adapted to Chris Paul.  It's one thing to hog the ball when the only other stars on the team are big men who are used to garbage duty.  It's another when your equally high-profile backcourt mate expects to call the shots.
Bynum and Gasol both are rather effective post players, not garbage men offensively.

I don't think Kobe would have changed much, he's been trying to play this way since he was a rookie.
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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2012, 04:34:46 PM »

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The last time Kobe played like this, he averaged 35 a game and didnt have a pair of dominant centers...goes to show you how much he has dropped off and how easily he can turn on your franchise if you tick him off (Odom).

Then again, this may also be a function of Mike Brown. Are they completely abandoning the triangle offense?
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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2012, 04:37:59 PM »

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Quote from: Greenbean on January 05, 2012, 04:34:46 PM
The last time Kobe played like this, he averaged 35 a game and didnt have a pair of dominant centers...goes to show you how much he has dropped off and how easily he can turn on your franchise if you tick him off (Odom).

Then again, this may also be a function of Mike Brown. Are they completely abandoning the triangle offense?
Yes they have, though they haven't used the triangle as their primary offensive set since Shaq left.

It was a part of their offense, but there was far more freelancing by Kobe and others the past 4 years.
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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2012, 04:38:51 PM »

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Its hard to hate on a guy averaging 6 assists per game after a quote like that.

Still not a Kobe fan, but Pierce would probably being doing the same if he were surrounded by those players...
Gasol and Barnes were at opposite corners behind the arc,
Bynum was being blocked out,
Fisher was open, but after getting KMart in the air, 3 other Rockets were standing there with their hands down spectating the game

good play
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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2012, 04:50:10 PM »

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Quote from: Roy H. on January 05, 2012, 03:51:46 PM
I didn't see the play, but if he found himself stuck, and used the backboard to get himself an open shot, I don't see that as selfish.  I feel dirty for defending Kobe, but he's done a lot worse than that.

Also, he's averaging 6.0 assists per game, which is a career high.  It's only seven games, but it just seems like an odd criticism.

Here's the play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2Po1bisaZw

And he's done this before too (coincidentally, also against the Rockets):
www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3f6b3tVchY
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