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Better to Build via Trades?
« on: December 30, 2011, 01:49:44 PM »

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So, I know Danny is trying to free up cap space to maybe totally reinvent the C's next year. But I feel like they're far more likely to be contenders if they simply add a major piece by trading with teams who are looking to free up cap space for the upcoming offseason. That would allow the C's to potentially retain Bass, KG and Ray Ray as major rotation pieces, and avoid the Dwight/DW meat market.

A few possibilities:

JO and youngsters/draft picks for Varejao. Gives the C's a core of Varejao, KG, Bass, Green, PP, RA, RR plus a midlevel guy to play the backup 2/3.

KG, RA, Bass, JO and youngsters/picks for Josh Smith, Joe Johnson and Hinrich. If the Hawks then amnestied Marvin Williams, they'd have tons of space for 2 big FA acquisitions. Would give the C's a core of Smith, PP, Green, JJ and RR. Not too shabby to build around.

KG, RA, JO, Bass and youngsters for Scola, Martin and Dalembert. Allows the Rockets to completely rebuild while getting a young asset in Bass - they'd have enough space for THREE max FA signings. C's would have RR, Martin, PP, Scola and Dalembert as a starting five. Not too shabby.

RA, Rondo, JO, Wilcox, Bradley and picks to Orlando for Dwight Howard, Turkoglu and Jameer. C's can then sign Dwight to max extension and amnesty Turkoglu. Would have a core of Dwight, Jameer, PP, and Green and could resign KG and Bass and add a midlevel guy.

Ray Ray, JO and picks/youngsters for Iggy and Hawes. Would allow Sixers to have enough cap space for Max FA. C's would have core of RR, Iggy, Green and PP and allow them to resign KG and Bass and possibly Hawes, while adding mid-level.

Those are just a few ideas - don't think any of them are too unreasonable and each would give the C's a core good enough to contend for the next 2-3 years.


Re: Better to Build via Trades?
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2011, 02:03:21 PM »

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Ask Daryl Morey what he thinks about building via trade.
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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2011, 02:05:53 PM »

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I think you have the right idea.  In large part because of the MIA situation, we may have seen the last of mega stars reaching free agency.  I suppose Howard will show whether this is really the case or not.

But my point is, DA needs to be careful about signing good (not great) players to max contracts.  Now only would this mess up our cap, it would also make us a good (but not great) team.  In today's NBA, that my be the worst place to be.

So whatever DA does, I it has to be with a vision to make the team very very good.  If he can't get there, then it might be better to tank for a season or two and rebuild through the draft.

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« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2011, 02:07:59 PM »

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Looking at the FA market. Seeing how interested players are in coming to Boston. I have to say yes. Guys on 2-3 year contracts like Ray Allen was is probably our best bet. Of course I am talking about cornerstone guys that you plan to build around.


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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2011, 03:11:01 PM »

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JO and youngsters/draft picks for Varejao. Gives the C's a core of Varejao, KG, Bass, Green, PP, RA, RR plus a midlevel guy to play the backup 2/3.

Only good trade idea. Good for us I mean.

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KG, RA, Bass, JO and youngsters/picks for Josh Smith, Joe Johnson and Hinrich. If the Hawks then amnestied Marvin Williams, they'd have tons of space for 2 big FA acquisitions. Would give the C's a core of Smith, PP, Green, JJ and RR. Not too shabby to build around.

1. Trading ray at this point would hurt us too much. 2. Only real trade here would be KG for JSmoove (my biggest FA/trade target for the Celtics). and 3. Joe Johnson?? Overpaid, overrated, and ya overpaid. Heck I'd even go with Hinrich for the bench but no JJ for the love of god.

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KG, RA, JO, Bass and youngsters for Scola, Martin and Dalembert. Allows the Rockets to completely rebuild while getting a young asset in Bass - they'd have enough space for THREE max FA signings. C's would have RR, Martin, PP, Scola and Dalembert as a starting five. Not too shabby.

Martin is a defensive liability and even more on again off again then Ray. Scola is ok but him and Martin aren't really young and Scola isn't exactly defensive minded either. What really kills this is giving up Bass as well. *shutter* I really don't like this (if pulled off) when Pierce is gone and green starts (presumably). Dalembert would be nice but $ is the only issue if we just want him.
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RA, Rondo, JO, Wilcox, Bradley and picks to Orlando for Dwight Howard, Turkoglu and Jameer. C's can then sign Dwight to max extension and amnesty Turkoglu. Would have a core of Dwight, Jameer, PP, and Green and could resign KG and Bass and add a midlevel guy.


Wasn't the point of getting Dwight to pair him with Rondo, not and aging KG and Pierce. NOOO to Turk, even with amnesty, just no. And Jameer as our PG instead of Rondo? Really?

Jameer, (somebody?), Pierce, KG, Dwight. even keeping bass and Kg for a solid front court, our back court would be horrific. Who;s the SG? Moore? Daniels? Keep Rondo by all means

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Ray Ray, JO and picks/youngsters for Iggy and Hawes. Would allow Sixers to have enough cap space for Max FA. C's would have core of RR, Iggy, Green and PP and allow them to resign KG and Bass and possibly Hawes, while adding mid-level.

This seems too good to be true. SInce Iggy, like Rondo is not a franchise player to build around, we can pull this off.

Rondo, Iggy, Pierce/Green, KG/Bass, Hawes/Wilcox.  ;D Please!


Don't make trade ideas just for the sake of trading. Try to remember contract issue (more long term tie ups), injury prone (martin, Jameer), and who could really be a Celtic and wear the green. Most of those guys don't deserve to wear the green.


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Re: Better to Build via Trades?
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2011, 03:21:45 PM »

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I think building by trade is what will happen. If it's not for a player this year it will be a deal in which we send a pick and a trade exception to a team using our cap space. I think Josh Smith is a very realistic option if we go that route.

If we end up playing awfully I think we'll make runs at guys like Jefferson and Smith during the year. I don't see us taking on Joe Johnson's enourmous contract though, I think it's more realistic that we would take Marvin Williams mediocre contract off their hands.
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2011, 03:31:28 PM »

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if we right the ship and are playoff bound at the deadline, and if cleveland is sunk, then I could see us making a deal for varejao.

cleveland, looking to rebuild and shed long deals, could be enticed by JO's expiring.

boston could really use varejao's athleticism and defensive intensity and we could do a heck of a lot worse for a starting center  going into the future. 

If we miss out on dwight howard the list of FA centers after him is short and I'd compare him favorably against most.

building with varejao in the fold, i could see him paired with hibbard, mcgee,  brook lopez or the caveman. all of whom would leave some cap space available for a mid level plus addition.
rondo
allen/free agent
pierce, green
varejao, bass
hibbard or mcgee/lopez/caveman (i like the caveman)

i just talked my self into this deal ... get it done danny

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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2011, 04:18:38 PM »

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Could trade JO and Bradley for Varejao and Eden at the trade deadline. Might have to throw in a pick too but it works cap wise.

Get V to start as center this year. Eden can back him up and get some better schooling with the C's then he would with Cleveland. Then maybe next year V goes back to PF and Eden is ready for the Center position.

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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2011, 05:09:38 PM »

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Could trade JO and Bradley for Varejao and Eden at the trade deadline. Might have to throw in a pick too but it works cap wise.

Get V to start as center this year. Eden can back him up and get some better schooling with the C's then he would with Cleveland. Then maybe next year V goes back to PF and Eden is ready for the Center position.

I would settle for just getting Erden back. We shouldn't have traded him to begin with.

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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2011, 05:21:47 PM »

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Cleveland isn't giving up Varejao for Jermaine O'Neal, parts, and picks. Varejao is one of the best if not the best defensive PF in the league and is still just 29 years old and on a very reasonable contract long term.

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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2011, 05:25:31 PM »

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Cleveland isn't giving up Varejao for Jermaine O'Neal, parts, and picks. Varejao is one of the best if not the best defensive PF in the league and is still just 29 years old and on a very reasonable contract long term.

not to us, no, but if Stern relaxes with his veto I can see AV going to the lakers or Heat for a similar package. Heck, the lakers got Pau Gasol for pretty much the same type of offer.

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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2011, 06:11:16 PM »

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Cleveland isn't giving up Varejao for Jermaine O'Neal, parts, and picks. Varejao is one of the best if not the best defensive PF in the league and is still just 29 years old and on a very reasonable contract long term.

not to us, no, but if Stern relaxes with his veto I can see AV going to the lakers or Heat for a similar package. Heck, the lakers got Pau Gasol for pretty much the same type of offer.

The league doesn't own the Cavs, so he will have no say in this. 

I would be shocked if the Cavs did a deal with Miami though...No way they want to help Lebron win. 

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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2011, 06:22:09 PM »

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No one wants O'Neal.  That is a simple fact folks.  I am sure Danny shopped him all over but no one bite on the bait.

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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2011, 06:35:25 PM »

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No one wants O'Neal.  That is a simple fact folks.  I am sure Danny shopped him all over but no one bite on the bait.
no one wants JO the player, we all know this. Many teams, looking to clear space, may want JO the expiring contract.

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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2011, 03:44:20 AM »

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He played a little better last night in all honesty.  But they were obviously trying to boost his confidence and exploit the Pistons down low.