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Offline droopdog7

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...then this team is in serious trouble.  Moore and steisma are boderline NBA players so let's not get too excited people.  Bass is a decent energy guy but he shouldn't be playing anywhere near starter minutes.

Cracks me up how people want to annoint guys after a few games (or even a few minutes).  I see these guys tying hard but none are all that good and will get exposed the more they play.

The season will still depend on the core four.  If, as it seems, KG is aging before our eyes, then team will be around a .500 team this year.
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Relying on lineups consisting entirely or almost entirely of bench players for nearly half the game is going to lose us a bunch of games, even against crappy teams, yes.

This is especially true when our starters can't seem to make any significant difference when they are out there.
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Re: If Steisma, Moore, and Bass are getting major (or regular) minutes...
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2011, 10:29:47 PM »

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Re: If Steisma, Moore, and Bass are getting major (or regular) minutes...
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...then this team is in serious trouble.  Moore and steisma are boderline NBA players so let's not get too excited people.  Bass is a decent energy guy but he shouldn't be playing anywhere near starter minutes.

Cracks me up how people want to annoint guys after a few games (or even a few minutes).  I see these guys tying hard but none are all that good and will get exposed the more they play.

The season will still depend on the core four.  If, as it seems, KG is aging before our eyes, then team will be around a .500 team this year.
KG already aged. We were just hoping he could rewind the clock a little.

Re: If Steisma, Moore, and Bass are getting major (or regular) minutes...
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Agree on Moore and Steamer, completely disagree on Bass. He's perfectly fine getting 20-25 minutes a night.
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Re: If Stiemsma, Moore, and Bass are getting major (or regular) minutes...
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Agree on Moore and Steamer, completely disagree on Bass. He's perfectly fine getting 20-25 minutes a night.

Ditto this. Bass has been great and he'll continue to get those minutes since he's a hustler and can grab boards (major need).

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I think Bass is great with the first unit because he is shooting shots that are created for him by Rondo.

However, he's the type of player that will shoot the ball almost every time he gets it. So having him be the first option with the second unit is a recipe for disaster.

Pierce coming back will have a trickle down effect improving the shots of of everyone around him by being a threat to score. I also think Moore is more than a fringe NBA player. Steamer only has one skill but it happens to be a skill we really need.
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Agree on Moore and Steamer, completely disagree on Bass. He's perfectly fine getting 20-25 minutes a night.

Ditto this. Bass has been great and he'll continue to get those minutes since he's a hustler and can grab boards (major need).

I agree, he has been playing good. I think he forces things at times but other than that he is good

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I think Bass is great with the first unit because he is shooting shots that are created for him by Rondo.

However, he's the type of player that will shoot the ball almost every time he gets it. So having him be the first option with the second unit is a recipe for disaster.

Pierce coming back will have a trickle down effect improving the shots of of everyone around him by being a threat to score. I also think Moore is more than a fringe NBA player. Steamer only has one skill but it happens to be a skill we really need.

Absolutely agree. The bench right now is in a little bit of disarray without a point guard, as everyone (even Dooling & Daniels, the two "distributors" in the unit) is looking for their shot first - except whoever is playing SG, and that's because they just don't do anything with the ball.

To be honest, I'm not really a fan of this all-bench idea. I'd much rather sacrifice our big 4 always playing together to have Pierce or Rondo play with the second unit, create for others and keep continuity. While I like Dooling, Daniels, Pietrus, Bass and Wilcox all subbing in for their respective starters and playing with 2-3 of the big 4, I don't like them all playing together.
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Re: If Stiemsma, Moore, and Bass are getting major (or regular) minutes...
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I think Bass is great with the first unit because he is shooting shots that are created for him by Rondo.

However, he's the type of player that will shoot the ball almost every time he gets it. So having him be the first option with the second unit is a recipe for disaster.

Pierce coming back will have a trickle down effect improving the shots of of everyone around him by being a threat to score. I also think Moore is more than a fringe NBA player. Steamer only has one skill but it happens to be a skill we really need.

Absolutely agree. The bench right now is in a little bit of disarray without a point guard, as everyone (even Dooling & Daniels, the two "distributors" in the unit) is looking for their shot first - except whoever is playing SG, and that's because they just don't do anything with the ball.

To be honest, I'm not really a fan of this all-bench idea. I'd much rather sacrifice our big 4 always playing together to have Pierce or Rondo play with the second unit, create for others and keep continuity. While I like Dooling, Daniels, Pietrus, Bass and Wilcox all subbing in for their respective starters and playing with 2-3 of the big 4, I don't like them all playing together.

I'd like to drop Keyon Dooling from the bench once Pietrus is healthy.

Play Marquis Daniels at the point alongside Pietrus and Pierce/Ray on the wing.

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I think Bass is great with the first unit because he is shooting shots that are created for him by Rondo.

However, he's the type of player that will shoot the ball almost every time he gets it. So having him be the first option with the second unit is a recipe for disaster.

Pierce coming back will have a trickle down effect improving the shots of of everyone around him by being a threat to score. I also think Moore is more than a fringe NBA player. Steamer only has one skill but it happens to be a skill we really need.

Absolutely agree. The bench right now is in a little bit of disarray without a point guard, as everyone (even Dooling & Daniels, the two "distributors" in the unit) is looking for their shot first - except whoever is playing SG, and that's because they just don't do anything with the ball.

To be honest, I'm not really a fan of this all-bench idea. I'd much rather sacrifice our big 4 always playing together to have Pierce or Rondo play with the second unit, create for others and keep continuity. While I like Dooling, Daniels, Pietrus, Bass and Wilcox all subbing in for their respective starters and playing with 2-3 of the big 4, I don't like them all playing together.

With the shortened season we need to play the bench more minutes. That's why I have no problem going with entirely the bench for short stretches.
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Re: If Stiemsma, Moore, and Bass are getting major (or regular) minutes...
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I should make am quick clarification to my original post.  I think playing bass too many minutes (I.e., starters minutes) would be bad.  It seems to me that many posters are already anointing him as a starter and I don't think he is.  He'd get exposed in that role.

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IMO this team is in serious trouble.  Playing the rooks will add some value to the season.

Re: If Stiemsma, Moore, and Bass are getting major (or regular) minutes...
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2011, 12:01:50 PM »

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I think Bass is great with the first unit because he is shooting shots that are created for him by Rondo.

However, he's the type of player that will shoot the ball almost every time he gets it. So having him be the first option with the second unit is a recipe for disaster.

Pierce coming back will have a trickle down effect improving the shots of of everyone around him by being a threat to score. I also think Moore is more than a fringe NBA player. Steamer only has one skill but it happens to be a skill we really need.

Absolutely agree. The bench right now is in a little bit of disarray without a point guard, as everyone (even Dooling & Daniels, the two "distributors" in the unit) is looking for their shot first - except whoever is playing SG, and that's because they just don't do anything with the ball.

To be honest, I'm not really a fan of this all-bench idea. I'd much rather sacrifice our big 4 always playing together to have Pierce or Rondo play with the second unit, create for others and keep continuity. While I like Dooling, Daniels, Pietrus, Bass and Wilcox all subbing in for their respective starters and playing with 2-3 of the big 4, I don't like them all playing together.

I'd like to drop Keyon Dooling from the bench once Pietrus is healthy.

Play Marquis Daniels at the point alongside Pietrus and Pierce/Ray on the wing.

I don't know what Dooling has done to get into your doghouse 3 games into the freaking season, but I definitely am not in love with benching him if it means less rest for Pierce/Ray.

I'd rather Rondo be the one to have his minutes upped. The Rondo/Dooling backcourt actually seems to work very well. I also am bothered that you're willing to have another non-shooter be our PG off the bench. Dooling's release looks bad, I admit, but at least opponents respect Dooling's shot enough to guard him behind the arc. Rondo seems to be trying to get there, but he's not, yet.