Who had a worse (or more disappointing) off-season, the Celtics or the Lakers?

[Roy H.]

Celtics off-season:

Added:  Chris Wilcox, Brandon Bass, Marquis Daniels, Keyon Dooling, JuJuan Johnson, E'Twaun Moore

Lost:  Glen Davis, Nenad Krstic, Delonte West, Carlos Arroyo, Troy Murphy, Von Wafer

Injuries of note:  Jeff Green (season - aorta); Paul Pierce (heel - day to day)

Other: Pursued -- and missed out on -- Chris Paul and David West; potentially saw Clippers #1 that we own the rights to get worse; primary rivals in the East (Miami, Chicago) and Atlantic division (Knicks) all got better.  Lawrence Frank left to coach the Detroit Pistons.

Lakers off-season:

Added:  Jason Kapono, Josh McRoberts, Gerald Green, Darius Morris, Andrew Goudeluck, future Dallas #1, $8.9 million trade exception

Lost:  Lamar Odom, Shannon Brown

Injuries:  Derrick Caracter (torn meniscus - out 4-6 weeks); Kobe Bryant (wrist - day to day)

Other:  Traded for Chris Paul, but had trade vetoed.  Saw cross-town Clippers improve, making them the hot story in Los Angeles.  Phil Jackson retired and was replaced by Mike Brown.

[Redz]

This season viewed in a vacuum, I'd have to say the Lakers have had the worse season managerially, but we're probably about even the "misfortune/what we're left with to suit up" category.

[Lord of Mikawa]

Probably the Lakers. We had a decent off-season. Not earth-shattering but decent. The Lakers had to deal with losing a big in Lamar Odom and not to mention the whole Chris Paul debacle.

[Roy H.]

Probably the Lakers. We had a decent off-season. Not earth-shattering but decent. The Lakers had to deal with losing a big in Lamar Odom and not to mention the whole Chris Paul debacle.

I think we downgraded this off-season, so I can't call it decent.  Basically, we traded Jeff Green, Glen Davis, Nenad Krstic and Delonte West for Marquis Daniels, Brandon Bass, Chris Wilcox, and Keyon Dooling.  I don't think we got any better in that trade, although I know that some believe to the contrary.

I can buy that the Lakers had a worse off-season, though.  Lamar Odom was an integral, core piece of their team, and they lost him for essentially nothing.

[thirstyboots18]

Lakers, beside losing Paul, then Oden, they also have Brown coaching instead of Jackson.

And possibly the wrong Buss behind the wheel.

[Drucci]

Lakers, for sure.

I think Danny did the best that he could do to improve the team with very limited assets : he got the best out of his very little options.

Had we not been hit by bad luck we would be talking about how much a genius Danny is for acquiring two All-Star talents while giving up only one asset (Rondo) and preserving our future flexibility.

Even hit by bad luck I think we can all agree that he did improve the bench by a good margin.

Ultimately when you think about it the Lakers got worse because of poor management (the CP3 deal didn't get done but even if it did you could argue it was a bad trade - "sacrificing" their frontcourt to get a great PG but with scary knees -, and they lost Odom for nothing), while we did improve marginally because events that weren't under Danny's controls went bad (Green's heart condition, West going for the money, NO prefering another deal).

[Redz]

Lakers, beside losing Paul, then Oden, they also have Brown coaching instead of Jackson.

And possibly the wrong Buss behind the wheel.

good point about the coach

though I think Phil checked out long before the season was over last year.

[PosImpos]

Lakers lost an All-Star level talent in Odom who has been key to their title contention the past few years for essentially nothing.

Losing Green for the season, though the circumstances were far sadder, is not on the same level from a basketball perspective.

As for the C's missing out on CP3 / David West, I'd say the Lakers actually having a trade go through only to have it vetoed counts as more disappointing there.  All we know is that there were rumors that the Celtics were close to convincing the Hornets to trade Paul.  The Lakers actually convinced them, but a "3rd party" intervened.

[Adelaide Celt]

May December 8th 2011 go down in history as the day the LA Lakers' luck finally ran out.

Certainly everything that has happened since (losing quality players, signing duds) would support that.

[Kane3387]

Definitely the Lakers

[Junkyard Dawg]

probably the lakers but i don't think it's so clear cut.  we went in a matter of days from having a bridge to the future (David West and Jeff Green) to being in a pretty bad place with a good chance that Doc will feel forced to play the starters more mins than they should.. they lost out on paul, and odom might hurt a bit, but they have the core of a 2 championship team still together in Bynum and Gasol.. and that shooting guard, what's his name..

[cman88]

clearly the lakers. who do they have on their bench? our biggest signing this offseason was maybe brandon bass. who was the lakers? troy murphy? and they lost lamar odom.

when bynum goes down, who is going to play center?

[Celtics4ever]

No question about it the Lakers.  1) They lost out on the Chris Paul deal and they had a deal.  2) Their signings were horrible and they didn't dump Luke Walton's contract.

[Q_FBE]

The Lakers had a horrible off season.... They also lost Ron Artest and Metta World Peace replaced him. Metta World Peace is an unknown quantity.

[Roy H.]

The Lakers had a horrible off season.... They also lost Ron Artest and Metta World Peace replaced him. Metta World Peace is an unknown quantity.

MWP looks like he added 40 pounds of solid fat.