Can E'Twaun Moore be a future scorer/starter? (Open Discussion)

[Snakehead]

yup, it is WAY too early


...but hey, I need something to pick my mood up

Danny does have a great track record with 2nd round picks

its just the late 1st rounders that he's bad at (please break the trend JJJ)

LOL

So true.  Some of the picks I chalk up to the late first being pretty unreliable.. but then Ainge manages to get so much value out of the 2nd round.  It is pretty puzzling.

And when he had a pretty high pick he chose JR Giddens over DeAndre Jordan.... ugh.

[Celtics18]

yup, it is WAY too early


...but hey, I need something to pick my mood up

Danny does have a great track record with 2nd round picks

its just the late 1st rounders that he's bad at (please break the trend JJJ)

LOL

So true.  Some of the picks I chalk up to the late first being pretty unreliable.. but then Ainge manages to get so much value out of the 2nd round.  It is pretty puzzling.

And when he had a pretty high pick he chose JR Giddens over DeAndre Jordan.... ugh.

He's had some misses, but Rondo, Perkins, Tony Allen, and Delonte West were all chosen by Danny late in the first round. 

JR Giddens was picked 30th. 

[Jeff]

that's fair

I just can't get over the Pruitt, Giddens picks and worry about Avery Bradley as well

[Celtics18]

that's fair

I just can't get over the Pruitt, Giddens picks and worry about Avery Bradley as well

Pruitt wasn't a first rounder.

[Evantime34]

that's fair

I just can't get over the Pruitt, Giddens picks and worry about Avery Bradley as well

Doc hasn't shown that he won't play rookies, he's shown that he won't play raw rookies. Moore is polished to the point that he's close to a finished product. Gomes, and Baby both helped as rookies because they didn't make too many horrible mistakes.
I think Moore ends up on the all rookie team (probably second tier) after bringing good shooting and decision making to the table while not taking much off.

[RyNye]

And when he had a pretty high pick he chose JR Giddens over DeAndre Jordan.... ugh.

Hindsight is 20/20. In 2008 you couldn't have predicted just how about Giddens would be, and how good Jordan would become. I mean, Giddens had been a top 20 prospect before dipping slightly due to a sophomore slump, it easily could have been a bargain pick up. Back in 2008 nobody was thinking Jordan would ever be anything more than a rotation big man. There's a reason NOBODY ELSE DRAFTED HIM UNTIL THE 2ND ROUND EITHER.

EDIT: Not saying Giddens wasn't a bad pick by Danny, but it is unfair to accuse him of missing out on a talent that was completely unknown at the time, and every other team in the league missed out on, as well.

[Chris]

that's fair

I just can't get over the Pruitt, Giddens picks and worry about Avery Bradley as well

Doc hasn't shown that he won't play rookies, he's shown that he won't play raw rookies. Moore is polished to the point that he's close to a finished product. Gomes, and Baby both helped as rookies because they didn't make too many horrible mistakes.
I think Moore ends up on the all rookie team (probably second tier) after bringing good shooting and decision making to the table while not taking much off.

Well said.  And its not just rookies.  Doc held Powe out even beyond his rookie year until he finally caught on to the defensive system.

[snively]

It'll be interesting to see how E'twaun shoots in the pros.  He was a very streaky shooter in college.  It was  a big reason (the main reasons of course being his lack of size and athleticism) he slipped so far in the draft.

I've said this a few times: I think he can have a Roger Mason, Jr. type role and career, but it all depends on that jumper.   

His shooting %s in Europe have me optimistic.  Small sample size, but a good initial indication that he can maintain a consistent level of efficiency in a smaller role than he had in high school and college.

[clover]

I'm always worried about how the Celtics manage their young talent. I definitely think Moore is a keeper, but I have a hard time believing Ainge will keep him very long. Luke Harangody and Bill Walker were both excellent young players who we just shipped out. I know most of you don't like Bill Walker, not my problem you ignored him while he was putting up 20 pts and 8 rebs for a while with the Knicks.

Walker was given plenty of opportunity and Gody was a bust. 

Danny's drafted fairly well in the front court, but I think Moore will prove his 2nd or 3rd best guard pick, after Rondo, with the question being whether he bests TA.

A player that makes the roster after being picked as late as Gody was is not a bust.

A 4-year player starting on the roster isn't news and he was dumped to a JV team mid-year.  Did rebound a little.

[Snakehead]

And when he had a pretty high pick he chose JR Giddens over DeAndre Jordan.... ugh.

Hindsight is 20/20. In 2008 you couldn't have predicted just how about Giddens would be, and how good Jordan would become. I mean, Giddens had been a top 20 prospect before dipping slightly due to a sophomore slump, it easily could have been a bargain pick up. Back in 2008 nobody was thinking Jordan would ever be anything more than a rotation big man. There's a reason NOBODY ELSE DRAFTED HIM UNTIL THE 2ND ROUND EITHER.

EDIT: Not saying Giddens wasn't a bad pick by Danny, but it is unfair to accuse him of missing out on a talent that was completely unknown at the time, and every other team in the league missed out on, as well.

Fair enough, and I know I have that pefect hindsight, but I do think it is a little puzzling that we didn't try to go after height more often in the draft.  We would be in a great place if we had a young big with length and athleticism right now.  I guess we were looking for offense off the bench but I don't see what was the big appeal of guys like Pruitt and Hudson.

Giddens I guess had potential and it didn't seem like a bad pick to a lot of people at the time, though I was never a fan of him.

[CFAN38]

Moore seems to have good potential as a 2/1 guard off the bench. For a second round pick he is a great addition. I would think that when the Cs do rebuild he could make for a nice 6th or 7th man

[guava_wrench]

that's fair

I just can't get over the Pruitt, Giddens picks and worry about Avery Bradley as well

Pruitt wasn't a first rounder.

Yeah, the Pruitt pick was one were you are happy if you get anything. The Giddens pick was a blunder as he was not regarded as a first round pick by other teams. Just Danny. But whatever. Others didn't regard Rondo so highly. That move got panned during draft coverage.

[xmuscularghandix]

Moore doesn't look better than Bradley because Avery looks like you could put him out there and let him impact the game with defense along.

E'Twaun is impressing but he's not as good defensively and he's being given shots that he won't be given in the regular season.

Great draft pick, i think he'll be in the league for a long time... but he's not already better than Bradley.

[guava_wrench]

Are we forgetting that Moore was actually 2-6 in his first game? Are we only remembering the 2 makes? Considering he isn't bringing much defense to the table, 2-6 doesn't excite me.

It so happens that I only saw the end of the game that included to good stuff so I too exaggerated his effectiveness for a bit. But ultimately, 1 game is an insufficient sample size to evaluate a player. Most guys on a roster have the ability to hit 2 shots in a row.

I am wary of Ben Gordon syndrome where fans only remember big shots that go in and forget all the horrible misses that cost his team more than they benefit from having him. This is part of the reason why bad players who just score often get paid more than good players who do everything else.

[jc3celticsphan]

Are we forgetting that Moore was actually 2-6 in his first game? Are we only remembering the 2 makes? Considering he isn't bringing much defense to the table, 2-6 doesn't excite me.

It so happens that I only saw the end of the game that included to good stuff so I too exaggerated his effectiveness for a bit. But ultimately, 1 game is an insufficient sample size to evaluate a player. Most guys on a roster have the ability to hit 2 shots in a row.

I am wary of Ben Gordon syndrome where fans only remember big shots that go in and forget all the horrible misses that cost his team more than they benefit from having him. This is part of the reason why bad players who just score often get paid more than good players who do everything else.

ill take some clutch buckets then a few missed fg's early in a game.. and a players shooting percentage doesnt justify how poorly some one played some times the shots just dont go in, hes still a rook and has to learn not to force some plays and how to get out of traps

actually im kinda suprised hes playing like this because we forget about the lockout and he just started playing with this team a week ago. he looks good out there for a 2nd round pick that was not sapose to make the team hes getting more PT then his boi JJJ who was picked wayyyyy ahead of him