Basketball ramifications of the Jeff Green situation.

[Inside-Out]

Our bench:

Dooling
Quisy
Al Thornton
Wilcox
JO

Not bad, if Bass and KG start as bigs, which also isn't bad.

We're looking possibly like the deepest roster we've had in the KG era.  These guys can all play, especially as 2nd unit guys.  They're all capable of starting.  We'll be okay.

[GreenFaith1819]

Well, LarBrd33 - we could be the NY Knicks.

They started a backcourt today vs the Nets of...Tony Douglas and Landry Fields..I am guessing that Mike Bibby will eventually take over PG duties, but seriously?

Some teams have it worse than us.

I'm betting that Rondo and Ray Ray are licking their chops for that Christmas day game.

Even with Jeff Green being out, we may see a repeat of what Rondo, Paul and Ray did to NY in the playoffs last May:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5YfY8ua1LE&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLBE5564C25297F1B1

And I'm sorry Tyson getting 10 pts, 10 rebs and 2 blks, or Carmelo and Stat combining for 50 pts won't help them, either.

[Neurotic Guy]

certainly keep hope alive...

but it would seem this team isn't much of a threat at this point.  Our roster seems to be lacking in a major way.  

I agree that's probably the case, but there are worse things than watching three Hall of Famers and a young, exciting all-star PG.

2010-11 Opening Day roster:     2011-12 Changes:
Ray Allen
Kevin Garnett
Jermaine O'Neal
Paul Pierce
Rajon Rondo
Avery Bradley
Marquis Daniels
Glen Davis                             Brandon Bass
Shaquille O'Neal                       Chris Wilcox
Semih Erden                            ?
Luke Harangody                         JJJ
Kendrick Perkins (Injured)             ?
Nate Robinson                          Keyon Dooling
Von Wafer                              Sasha
SG Delonte West (Suspended/ Injured)    ?

The 2010-11 Celtics opened the season with no Perk or Delonte available and lit the NBA up for the 1st 2-3 months of the season.  C's were atop power rankings and folks were talking of the C's as a top contender.

I think many are expecting the Big 3 to age and therefore will be notably worse this year than last.  Otherwise, the roster that starts this year is potentially just as good as the one that started last year.  

Keep it in perspective:
Shaq averaged 9 points and 5 rebounds in 20 minutes (37 games) last year.  
JO played in only 24 games last year and averaged 5 points and 4 rebounds.
Perk played in 12 games -- 7 and 8.

All I'm saying is that our roster (with still a chance for a couple of additions) is not notably worse than the roster that went 23-4 to start the season.  

[Yugocelt]

What could be some potential additions before all is said and done?  Anyone else feel like Danny still has one more surprise for us up his sleeve?

[riffic92]

so let me get this logic

people are worried about our season, and to help them feel better they want us to sign... Travis Outlaw, the guy who couldn't get minutes on the Nets even with millions of dollars invested in him



take a deep breath everyone

[Roy H.]

certainly keep hope alive...

but it would seem this team isn't much of a threat at this point.  Our roster seems to be lacking in a major way.  

I agree that's probably the case, but there are worse things than watching three Hall of Famers and a young, exciting all-star PG.

2010-11 Opening Day roster:     2011-12 Changes:
Ray Allen
Kevin Garnett
Jermaine O'Neal
Paul Pierce
Rajon Rondo
Avery Bradley
Marquis Daniels
Glen Davis                             Brandon Bass
Shaquille O'Neal                       Chris Wilcox
Semih Erden                            ?
Luke Harangody                         JJJ
Kendrick Perkins (Injured)             ?
Nate Robinson                          Keyon Dooling
Von Wafer                              Sasha
SG Delonte West (Suspended/ Injured)    ?

The 2010-11 Celtics opened the season with no Perk or Delonte available and lit the NBA up for the 1st 2-3 months of the season.  C's were atop power rankings and folks were talking of the C's as a top contender.

I think many are expecting the Big 3 to age and therefore will be notably worse this year than last.  Otherwise, the roster that starts this year is potentially just as good as the one that started last year.  

Keep it in perspective:
Shaq averaged 9 points and 5 rebounds in 20 minutes (37 games) last year.  
JO played in only 24 games last year and averaged 5 points and 4 rebounds.
Perk played in 12 games -- 7 and 8.

All I'm saying is that our roster (with still a chance for a couple of additions) is not notably worse than the roster that went 23-4 to start the season.  

I'm not going to knock anyone for their optimism.  I think the difference between Shaq and Wilcox is greater than you do, and I think the added aging of the big three is a big concern.  I also think the compressed schedule and the lack of practice time is going to hurt the team.  Lastly, of course, our team didn't finish 23-4.  Fast starts (both for the season and in games) hasn't been this team's issue.

[fairweatherfan]

I didn't get an answer to this before - if Green doesn't play all year and his contract is void, does he remain an RFA next offseason?

[xmuscularghandix]

Bottom line, Rajon Rondo has to be healthy and has to be aggressive offensively.

[Roy H.]

I didn't get an answer to this before - if Green doesn't play all year and his contract is void, does he remain an RFA next offseason?

It's a fairly unique situation.  However, in general, for a player to become a restricted free agent, we'd have to extend a qualifying offer, which I believe for Green was in the $5.9 million range.  Again, in general, if we revoke that qualifying offer, I believe Green would become an unrestricted free agent.

So, what happens here?  Clearly, Green would accept a $5.9 million qualifying offer at this point, if it was offered.  Does that mean we have to revoke it?  Or, is there a provision that acceptance of a QO is contingent upon being able to pass a physical?

My assumption (and this is based upon common sense, rather than the CBA) is that Green will be treated like a player who goes overseas to play.  So long as the Celtics make him a qualifying offer next season, they will hopefully retain his restricted rights.

[fairweatherfan]

I didn't get an answer to this before - if Green doesn't play all year and his contract is void, does he remain an RFA next offseason?

It's a fairly unique situation.  However, in general, for a player to become a restricted free agent, we'd have to extend a qualifying offer, which I believe for Green was in the $5.9 million range.  Again, in general, if we revoke that qualifying offer, I believe Green would become an unrestricted free agent.

So, what happens here?  Clearly, Green would accept a $5.9 million qualifying offer at this point, if it was offered.  Does that mean we have to revoke it?  Or, is there a provision that acceptance of a QO is contingent upon being able to pass a physical?

My assumption (and this is based upon common sense, rather than the CBA) is that Green will be treated like a player who goes overseas to play.  So long as the Celtics make him a qualifying offer next season, they will hopefully retain his restricted rights.

Bucher was saying a source stated this was one advantage of voiding the contract.  But it was Bucher so it's best to double-check.

My guess is that the qualifying offer is also voided by Green being physically unable to perform.  And I believe RFA is based on years in the league, not years since being drafted (like the overseas comparison).  So it looks like we may still retain RFA rights next season.  Very small silver lining on a really bad situation.

[Roy H.]

And I believe RFA is based on years in the league, not years since being drafted (like the overseas comparison). 

For clarification, when I mentioned going overseas, I was referring to free agents.  For instance, when Josh Childress went abroad, the Hawks retained his restricted free agency rights. 

I'm guessing being physically unable to play is similar to being contractually unable to play.

[LooseCannon]

I wonder if the Celtics are lucky that the contract was more than the qualifying offer.

[PosImpos]

certainly keep hope alive...

but it would seem this team isn't much of a threat at this point.  Our roster seems to be lacking in a major way. 

I agree that's probably the case, but there are worse things than watching three Hall of Famers and a young, exciting all-star PG.

yay, farewell tour.

you're right though, at least we get a last chance to go see them play and enjoy it while it lasts.  next year my prediction is the roster looks VERY different.  i wouldn't be at all surprised if Pierce is the only starter still on the team after next summer.

[Kuberski1]

From what I've read, there's little doubt we are limited to vet min contracts.  It looks very thin out there now, after the flurry of activity....Posey anyone?

[PosImpos]

What could be some potential additions before all is said and done?  Anyone else feel like Danny still has one more surprise for us up his sleeve?

im betting danny shops rondo / ray hard at the deadline as in previous years, along with bass and JO. 

if he can't find a shakeup deal (e.g. Rondo + Ray for Conley + Gay), then I think he'll stand pat and let the season play out, then make a move on draft night to get a young guy high in the lotto that he likes.  if he fails to accomplish either of those things, i have no idea what he'll do. 

in any case, i think this roster is going to be very, very different next year.  i wouldn't be at all surprised if pierce were the only guy returning.