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Re: If Jeff Green cant go is Juan Johnson are guy
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2011, 07:05:31 AM »

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I think he could play it.  He doesn't have positional experience but he is long and athletic.  McHale could defend threes at his size and this kid is more athletic albeit grossly inexperienced at the position.  Offense wise, I think he could post up threes and he is a jump shooter.   So there is no reason he could not play it but I doubt he would be ideal given the circumstances.

Re: If Jeff Green cant go is Juan Johnson are guy
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2011, 07:45:08 AM »

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JJJ is the next Kevin Durant.

In all seriousness, he has the length and agility, but his side to side movement is not up to par. He's an up and down player who can shoot, could be a starter at some point.

If Jeff Green is done then our answer is Etwaun Moore as a Rodney Stuckey type player off the bench as an overachieving rookie- or Chris Wilcox with his athleticism.
I watched Moore in Italy and he had the aggression and strength to play straight away in the NBA.
I think he is going to be very good and beat a lot of peoples expectations. In a perfect world he'd be like Jeff Teague after 6 months. (fingers crossed).
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Re: If Jeff Green can't go is Jajuan Johnson our guy
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2011, 08:13:20 AM »

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only way he plays if garnett plays center alot,not enough minutes if garnett,bass plays the 4.

Re: If Jeff Green can't go is Jajuan Johnson our guy
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2011, 10:41:11 AM »

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I'm stoked about watching JaJuan play this year, but I don't think there's much realistic chance that he ever sees minutes at the small forward position.

I hope I'm wrong about that.  If JaJuan, with his size, athleticism, and length could play the 3, that would be awesome, but my expectation is that he's purely a big. 
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Re: If Jeff Green can't go is Jajuan Johnson our guy
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2011, 11:06:46 AM »

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Based on Doc's history of benching Rookies, combined with the point others have already made that JJJ would be playing out of position, I'd say no.  If Green can't play Daniels is our guy, followed by Pav.  Just my guess...

Re: If Jeff Green can't go is Jajuan Johnson our guy
« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2011, 11:16:50 AM »

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Based on Doc's history of benching Rookies, combined with the point others have already made that JJJ would be playing out of position, I'd say no.  If Green can't play Daniels is our guy, followed by Pav.  Just my guess...

I think you mean "based on the myth of Doc's history of benching rookies . . . "
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Re: If Jeff Green can't go is Jajuan Johnson our guy
« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2011, 11:18:52 AM »

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I don't see what other options are going to be available.

This team really may only win 35-40 games this year

Re: If Jeff Green can't go is Jajuan Johnson our guy
« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2011, 11:20:04 AM »

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Based on Doc's history of benching Rookies, combined with the point others have already made that JJJ would be playing out of position, I'd say no.  If Green can't play Daniels is our guy, followed by Pav.  Just my guess...

I think you mean "based on the myth of Doc's history of benching rookies . . . "

Really?  You don't think it's tough for Rookies to crack the rotation in a meaningful way under Doc?  That's certainly been my observation, honestly can't think of a post-Big-3 example of a 1st year player getting minutes over a clear alternative vet.  Help me out...

Re: If Jeff Green can't go is Jajuan Johnson our guy
« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2011, 11:29:44 AM »

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Based on Doc's history of benching Rookies, combined with the point others have already made that JJJ would be playing out of position, I'd say no.  If Green can't play Daniels is our guy, followed by Pav.  Just my guess...

I think you mean "based on the myth of Doc's history of benching rookies . . . "

Really?  You don't think it's tough for Rookies to crack the rotation in a meaningful way under Doc?  That's certainly been my observation, honestly can't think of a post-Big-3 example of a 1st year player getting minutes over a clear alternative vet.  Help me out...

Sure;  Leon Powe, Glen Davis, Semih Erden.  Those guys all got significant minutes as rookies playing for Doc Rivers.

On the other hand, I  guess Doc Rivers is like all other NBA coaches of contending teams in that if given a choice between a late first round or second round rookie and a proven veteran, he'll generally go with the proven veteran.  Rookies get opportunities when the guys ahead of them get injured.  That's how it works.

I'm hoping that our young guys will be ready when those opportunities inevitably present themselves this season.  If all the guys penciled into the rotation are good for a full 66 games this year, of course, I'll take that too. 
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PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: If Jeff Green can't go is Jajuan Johnson our guy
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2011, 12:16:26 PM »

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Based on Doc's history of benching Rookies, combined with the point others have already made that JJJ would be playing out of position, I'd say no.  If Green can't play Daniels is our guy, followed by Pav.  Just my guess...

It is always easy to romanticize about the guys that aren't playing.
I think you mean "based on the myth of Doc's history of benching rookies . . . "

Really?  You don't think it's tough for Rookies to crack the rotation in a meaningful way under Doc?  That's certainly been my observation, honestly can't think of a post-Big-3 example of a 1st year player getting minutes over a clear alternative vet.  Help me out...
You ever consider the fact that all our post big-3 picks have been late in the draft? Was Pruitt supposed to get minutes? Giddens? They were not only low picks, they were also bad picks.

Re: If Jeff Green can't go is Jajuan Johnson our guy
« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2011, 12:37:01 PM »

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Too bad we pick Deandre Jordan when we had the chance and instead went with JR Giddens...

Oh well after hearing what Doc has to say I don't think this is a season threatening illness.

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Re: If Jeff Green can't go is Jajuan Johnson our guy
« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2011, 12:38:44 PM »

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Too bad we pick Deandre Jordan when we had the chance and instead went with JR Giddens...

Oh well after hearing what Doc has to say I don't think this is a season threatening illness.

http://www.csnne.com/blog/celtics-talk/post/Info-on-Green-may-be-announced-tonight?blockID=613390&feedID=3352&awid=5518576859151079360-932
Yeah, those who wanted Jordon were right about that one.

I doubt he'd be as developed if he'd been drafted by the C's, we wouldn't have force fed him as many minutes as the Clippers, but who knows.

Re: If Jeff Green can't go is Jajuan Johnson our guy
« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2011, 12:51:29 PM »

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Too bad we pick Deandre Jordan when we had the chance and instead went with JR Giddens...

Oh well after hearing what Doc has to say I don't think this is a season threatening illness.

http://www.csnne.com/blog/celtics-talk/post/Info-on-Green-may-be-announced-tonight?blockID=613390&feedID=3352&awid=5518576859151079360-932
Yeah, those who wanted Jordon were right about that one.

I doubt he'd be as developed if he'd been drafted by the C's, we wouldn't have force fed him as many minutes as the Clippers, but who knows.

Fair point. I understand why DA took JR. It was need I guess, but I think he would have been there much further in the 2nd round and then we wouldn't have had to waste time on Patrick O'Bryant. Oh well.

Yet, who knows.. I think Clifford Ray and KG could have helped Jordan enough that he would be productive for us presently. All that being said I wouldn't have wanted to pay him what he is making now.


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Re: If Jeff Green can't go is Jajuan Johnson our guy
« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2011, 05:22:53 PM »

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Based on Doc's history of benching Rookies, combined with the point others have already made that JJJ would be playing out of position, I'd say no.  If Green can't play Daniels is our guy, followed by Pav.  Just my guess...

I think you mean "based on the myth of Doc's history of benching rookies . . . "

Really?  You don't think it's tough for Rookies to crack the rotation in a meaningful way under Doc?  That's certainly been my observation, honestly can't think of a post-Big-3 example of a 1st year player getting minutes over a clear alternative vet.  Help me out...

Sure;  Leon Powe, Glen Davis, Semih Erden.  Those guys all got significant minutes as rookies playing for Doc Rivers.

On the other hand, I  guess Doc Rivers is like all other NBA coaches of contending teams in that if given a choice between a late first round or second round rookie and a proven veteran, he'll generally go with the proven veteran.  Rookies get opportunities when the guys ahead of them get injured.  That's how it works.

I'm hoping that our young guys will be ready when those opportunities inevitably present themselves this season.  If all the guys penciled into the rotation are good for a full 66 games this year, of course, I'll take that too. 

That's my point, Baby & Powe were our only backup PF options in their 1st year, and Semih only saw significant minutes due to injuries.  This thread is about whether a 1st year player will see minutes over alternatives that have multiple years in the NBA and with our system.  Hence, I do not believe JJJ will get significant minutes at all, much less as the primary backup 3.

Re: If Jeff Green can't go is Jajuan Johnson our guy
« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2011, 05:30:52 PM »

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Based on Doc's history of benching Rookies, combined with the point others have already made that JJJ would be playing out of position, I'd say no.  If Green can't play Daniels is our guy, followed by Pav.  Just my guess...

It is always easy to romanticize about the guys that aren't playing.
I think you mean "based on the myth of Doc's history of benching rookies . . . "

Really?  You don't think it's tough for Rookies to crack the rotation in a meaningful way under Doc?  That's certainly been my observation, honestly can't think of a post-Big-3 example of a 1st year player getting minutes over a clear alternative vet.  Help me out...
You ever consider the fact that all our post big-3 picks have been late in the draft? Was Pruitt supposed to get minutes? Giddens? They were not only low picks, they were also bad picks.

It's been a hallmark of his coaching style since he took the job IMO.  It was Bassy ahead of Rondo, Blount ahead of Perk.  You're not going much of an argument that Giddens, Pruit etc. weren't crappy picks.  Still, the idea that JJJ will be placed ahead of Daniels or Pav at the 3 spot doesn't sound likely to me, even if he were the best option (which he probably isn't)...