If No Green, What Then?

[Kane3387]

This sounds worse now than it has at any time. Danny's quote is of extreme concern, and the fact that they are waiting until tomorrow to announce more, even though they have results back today, does not bode well. I just hope Jeff Green is okay, but the fact that he refuses to speak with the press is not a good sign in my opinion.

As for the impact on the team, in my opinion, they were not going to win it all any way. This probably moves them from a 3-4 seed to a 5-6 seed and maybe a first round out.

As far as the contract goes, if Green cannot go, I certainly hope the Celts can get out of it.

As far as finding a replacement, don't see how that can happen.

yeah, i tend to agree with you, although im not quite as pessimistic about the possibility of finding a replacement.  if they could convince a player like richard jefferson to take less, or perhaps if they got michael redd and he had a bounce back year, they could be in more or less the same position.

but i think this just reinforces the idea that this is at best a 3rd or 4th seed with a 2nd round ceiling. 

in any case, if jeff green is not available for most or all of the season, the celtics need to find somebody young and capable of playing a significant number of minute a night, if for the sake of depth than for anything else.  paul pierce can't play 35 minutes a night anymore if we want him to be healthy for the playoffs.


i'd be interested to see if this prompts danny to make a trade, much like marquis's injury prompted him to make the jeff green trade last season.

If he can stay healthy, I think Marquis Daniels could provide some solid all-around minutes off the bench to spell Paul

yeah, the "stay healthy" part is pretty iffy, though.

i have a feeling we may be looking to the gilbert browns of the world to play significant backup minutes at the 3 this season.

If that's the case it's time to press restart.

[Kane3387]

Here is an article talking about Stress Test and it references Jeff Green.

http://clnsradio.com/2011/nba-2/boston-celtics/ask-dr-john-regarding-jeff-green-and-whats-a-stress-test/

But what does it mean that Jeff Green had problems with his stress test.  If I’m interpreting the reports from the Celtics correctly, a stress test refers to something heart-related.

A stress test basically makes the heart work harder by either a physical stress (such as running on a treadmill) or by administering some medicines that have the effect of making the heart work harder.  As the heart works harder, its response to the stress can be measured by an EKG (electrocardiogram) which looks at how the heart muscle is contracting and beating.

An abnormal EKG can stem from a number of different factors.  Ischemia, where the heart is not getting enough oxygen through its blood flow, is a common finding-but not usually in highly trained athletes.  Arrhythmias, where the heart is not beating in a coordinated matter, is probably what was identified in Green’s stress test.

Just say a prayer for the young man.

[pearljammer10]

Jeff Green has amazing potential, but if he doesnt play I will be even more upset about the whole Kendrick Perkins trade. Especially after his Jenny Craig stint.

[Kane3387]

If he is out for the year or his career is over then wow.. That is just insane and awful for him. Incredibly sad. Most important is that this is no threat to his life.

We are pretty much done competing for the title though if he's done. We are a playoff team but not even a threat to be a contender without J Green. Sucks. I guess the window is closed if this is as bad as people fear.

Wouldn't mind seeing us blow it up if in fact he is out. There might not be another draft like this in the decade.

the issue is, could we even blow it up?  of the big 3, paul pierce is the only one i could see another team taking on for any young players or picks, and i doubt there'd be much willingness in ownership to trade such an iconic player.

rondo, we know, is a player that ainge is willing to trade, but what could we really get for him?  i wouldn't be surprised to see him traded around draft time next summer to move up into the lottery, but it seems unlikely that he'd go before then.

KG is valuable despite his age, and he's an expiring contract, but his contract is so huge we'd have to take on a lot of salaries, and probably bad ones, to trade him.  not worth it.

Ray Allen's contract is large as well, though he probably has the most value to a contender.  but what kind of young players would we get back for him?  probably nothing too exciting.

i think the plan would still be to play out the season, get as far as we can in the post-season, and then blow it up over the summer.

I definitely think we will have a wait and see approach. I think teams will be interested in Ray and Rondo for sure. Kg could be more difficult to move, but if it meant taking a salary on next year then I would do it. It's not like there is anything worth signing next season anyway.

KG for Rashard Lewis and their number one top 5 protected comes to mind. Might be a dumb idea but shed Lewis contract by a year and have a mentor for Blatche, Mcgee, etc. That might be a pick in the 7-10 range.

Or if Milwaukee amnestied Gooden, they could basically trade Udrih straight up for KG. Of course their pick would have to be included.

I think a lot of teams would be interested in Ray.

I would probably hold onto Rondo.

If we did move KG and Ray I wouldn't be surprised if Pierce wanted out as well.

Hope all of this doesn't come to that. but who knows with Danny.

[celticinorlando]

enough with Marquis being used to back up PP...Daniels CANNOT be counted on. Haven't we learned anything the last 2 years? He is glass. it would be awful for this team to lose green. they have ZERO options there in a shortened season

[snively]

enough with Marquis being used to back up PP...Daniels CANNOT be counted on. Haven't we learned anything the last 2 years? He is glass. it would be awful for this team to lose green. they have ZERO options there in a shortened season

While I share many of your doubts, word is that Quis' neurological condition - supposedly one of the primary causes of his fragility - is fixed.

[celticinorlando]

enough with Marquis being used to back up PP...Daniels CANNOT be counted on. Haven't we learned anything the last 2 years? He is glass. it would be awful for this team to lose green. they have ZERO options there in a shortened season

While I share many of your doubts, word is that Quis' neurological condition - supposedly one of the primary causes of his fragility - is fixed.

more concerned with the finger issue...the wrist issue...i hope he is lazarus and healed..but I am not counting on it

[Kane3387]

Hopefully "perspective" that Ainge talked about means he is out for a month to 6 weeks or something like that and not the whole year or gulp his career is in jeopardy.

[PosImpos]

Rondo + JO + Bass + Clips pick

for

Nash + Pietrus + Gortat + 1st rounder


just sayin'

[Lord of Mikawa]

Rondo + JO + Bass + Clips pick

for

Nash + Pietrus + Gortat + 1st rounder


just sayin'

TP

I wouldn't be opposed to this. Nash really hasn't slowed down with age but we would have have to get a young PG pretty soon.

[celticinorlando]

Rondo + JO + Bass + Clips pick

for

Nash + Pietrus + Gortat + 1st rounder


just sayin'

i thought pietrus signed with the raptors

[PosImpos]

Rondo + JO + Bass + Clips pick

for

Nash + Pietrus + Gortat + 1st rounder


just sayin'

TP

I wouldn't be opposed to this. Nash really hasn't slowed down with age but we would have have to get a young PG pretty soon.

well, yeah, after this season we'd dive straight into rebuilding, but we're probably doing that anyway.

[Fafnir]

Rondo + JO + Bass + Clips pick

for

Nash + Pietrus + Gortat + 1st rounder


just sayin'

i thought pietrus signed with the raptors

He was traded and the trade was rescinded due to him failing a physical due to a knee injury.

[PosImpos]

Rondo + JO + Bass + Clips pick

for

Nash + Pietrus + Gortat + 1st rounder


just sayin'

i thought pietrus signed with the raptors

oh did he?  well, substitute dudley then.  or grant hill.

[RyNye]

more concerned with the finger issue...the wrist issue...i hope he is lazarus and healed..but I am not counting on it

To be fair, his wrist/finger issues were a symptom of the neurological condition, which is now supposedly "fixed" (whatever that means). So, if the reports are correct that the treatment of the condition was successful, these symptoms would go away too.