If No Green, What Then?

[ctrey]

If he is unable to play, face it, we are not winning the title. We will not be deep enough or have enough scoring to keep up with the Heat and the Bulls. Green was supposed play a major role this year, people were thinking that if he put it together he could be the next great Celtics sixth man. Without him we are not winning a title. Season over before it starts if he can't go.

If you take of the Celtics goggles, you know this is true.

[Marcus13]

I don't see why Jeff Green was going to benefit us in any kind of way this year after watching him play last season

[celtsrp33]

This sounds worse now than it has at any time. Danny's quote is of extreme concern, and the fact that they are waiting until tomorrow to announce more, even though they have results back today, does not bode well. I just hope Jeff Green is okay, but the fact that he refuses to speak with the press is not a good sign in my opinion.

As for the impact on the team, in my opinion, they were not going to win it all any way. This probably moves them from a 3-4 seed to a 5-6 seed and maybe a first round out.

As far as the contract goes, if Green cannot go, I certainly hope the Celts can get out of it.

As far as finding a replacement, don't see how that can happen.

yeah, i tend to agree with you, although im not quite as pessimistic about the possibility of finding a replacement.  if they could convince a player like richard jefferson to take less, or perhaps if they got michael redd and he had a bounce back year, they could be in more or less the same position.

but i think this just reinforces the idea that this is at best a 3rd or 4th seed with a 2nd round ceiling.  

in any case, if jeff green is not available for most or all of the season, the celtics need to find somebody young and capable of playing a significant number of minute a night, if for the sake of depth than for anything else.  paul pierce can't play 35 minutes a night anymore if we want him to be healthy for the playoffs.


i'd be interested to see if this prompts danny to make a trade, much like marquis's injury prompted him to make the jeff green trade last season.

If he can stay healthy, I think Marquis Daniels could provide some solid all-around minutes off the bench to spell Paul

[PosImpos]

I don't see why Jeff Green was going to benefit us in any kind of way this year after watching him play last season

"in any way"?  seriously?  you think sasha pavlovic playing 20 minutes a night is better?

[Jeff]

should we start one of these threads for each of the starting 5 as well?

note: I'm kidding, please don't.

[Interceptor]

"in any way"?  seriously?  you think sasha pavlovic playing 20 minutes a night is better?

Doesn't have to be better, just has to be good enough. We also still have Marquis.

[Who]

Might be best off trading Brandon Bass for a legit first wing off the bench. Give JaJuan Johnson the opportunity to be the fourth big in the depth chart. And/or go out and sign a quality minimum contract PF like Joey Dorsey (or Mr Troy Murphy as mentioned in another thread).

Aside from that, Marquis Daniels looks the best option. Bring in a pair of reserve wings to come in behind. I am thinking a pair of specialists; a shooter (Peja Stojakovic) and a stopper (Rodney Carney).

Those would be the two avenues I would explore.

[PosImpos]

This sounds worse now than it has at any time. Danny's quote is of extreme concern, and the fact that they are waiting until tomorrow to announce more, even though they have results back today, does not bode well. I just hope Jeff Green is okay, but the fact that he refuses to speak with the press is not a good sign in my opinion.

As for the impact on the team, in my opinion, they were not going to win it all any way. This probably moves them from a 3-4 seed to a 5-6 seed and maybe a first round out.

As far as the contract goes, if Green cannot go, I certainly hope the Celts can get out of it.

As far as finding a replacement, don't see how that can happen.

yeah, i tend to agree with you, although im not quite as pessimistic about the possibility of finding a replacement.  if they could convince a player like richard jefferson to take less, or perhaps if they got michael redd and he had a bounce back year, they could be in more or less the same position.

but i think this just reinforces the idea that this is at best a 3rd or 4th seed with a 2nd round ceiling. 

in any case, if jeff green is not available for most or all of the season, the celtics need to find somebody young and capable of playing a significant number of minute a night, if for the sake of depth than for anything else.  paul pierce can't play 35 minutes a night anymore if we want him to be healthy for the playoffs.


i'd be interested to see if this prompts danny to make a trade, much like marquis's injury prompted him to make the jeff green trade last season.

If he can stay healthy, I think Marquis Daniels could provide some solid all-around minutes off the bench to spell Paul

yeah, the "stay healthy" part is pretty iffy, though.

i have a feeling we may be looking to the gilbert browns of the world to play significant backup minutes at the 3 this season.

[Marcus13]

I don't see why Jeff Green was going to benefit us in any kind of way this year after watching him play last season

"in any way"?  seriously?  you think sasha pavlovic playing 20 minutes a night is better?

No.  I meant as far as pushing us towards a title.  The OP was saying are championship hopes are now dead as if Jeff Green was going to assist us in that

[PosImpos]

I don't see why Jeff Green was going to benefit us in any kind of way this year after watching him play last season

"in any way"?  seriously?  you think sasha pavlovic playing 20 minutes a night is better?

No.  I meant as far as pushing us towards a title.  The OP was saying are championship hopes are now dead as if Jeff Green was going to assist us in that

well, i certainly think any hope of contending for a title is severely undercut if Green can't play, but i would agree that the chance for a title this season wasn't a big one to begin with.

[ctrey]

Having Daniels and Pavlovic play Greens' minutes would be a nightmare. Daniels has NEVER stayed healthy and Pavlovic should be in the D-League, riding the bench.

[Interceptor]

How many minutes do you suppose Green gives us? We still have Paul Pierce, you know.

[Kane3387]

If he is out for the year or his career is over then wow.. That is just insane and awful for him. Incredibly sad. Most important is that this is no threat to his life.

We are pretty much done competing for the title though if he's done. We are a playoff team but not even a threat to be a contender without J Green. Sucks. I guess the window is closed if this is as bad as people fear.

Wouldn't mind seeing us blow it up if in fact he is out. There might not be another draft like this in the decade.

[vinnie]

I though the chances of the C's winning the championship were probably 1 in 100 at best this year. Without Jeff Green, those odds probably get a little worse, 1 in 125 or so. Jeff Green is being counted on for important minutes this year. If he cannot play, Marquis Daniels and Sasha Pavlovic as backups don't cut it.

[PosImpos]

If he is out for the year or his career is over then wow.. That is just insane and awful for him. Incredibly sad. Most important is that this is no threat to his life.

We are pretty much done competing for the title though if he's done. We are a playoff team but not even a threat to be a contender without J Green. Sucks. I guess the window is closed if this is as bad as people fear.

Wouldn't mind seeing us blow it up if in fact he is out. There might not be another draft like this in the decade.

the issue is, could we even blow it up?  of the big 3, paul pierce is the only one i could see another team taking on for any young players or picks, and i doubt there'd be much willingness in ownership to trade such an iconic player.

rondo, we know, is a player that ainge is willing to trade, but what could we really get for him?  i wouldn't be surprised to see him traded around draft time next summer to move up into the lottery, but it seems unlikely that he'd go before then.

KG is valuable despite his age, and he's an expiring contract, but his contract is so huge we'd have to take on a lot of salaries, and probably bad ones, to trade him.  not worth it.

Ray Allen's contract is large as well, though he probably has the most value to a contender.  but what kind of young players would we get back for him?  probably nothing too exciting.

i think the plan would still be to play out the season, get as far as we can in the post-season, and then blow it up over the summer.