Jeff Green will not start

[action781]

I for one would love to see us start small with him at the 4 and KG at the 5. Of course, with match-up considerations.

I've always thought our best starting line-up (at least early minutes of the game) was when we had Scalabrine starting with the rest of our main starters while Perk was out with injuries.

Great energy, great floor spacing and we really took advantage of opponents early on.

I think I'd rather see Bass start at PF for defensive purposes and have Green come in early at the PF.  Green would get absolutely man-handled by fresh PF's like Boozer, Bosh, Dirk, Z-Bo, Aldridge, Pau, Amare, etc. at the beginning of games.  Not saying it's easy work for anyone to guard those guys, but Green wouldn't have a chance when they're fresh at the beginning of a game and I'd much rather have Bass on them.  Scal on the other hand had the size and defensive ability to guard them.

[action781]

he shouldn't start.  his role is to be a go to guy on the second unit and be put in with the starters as a role player if needed.

Until I start to see some fire and tenacity out of him, I don't think he's a go-to guy at any time.  I want to see Doc mix and match the starters and bench better until Green shows he's willing to be a go-to guy.

[dark_lord]

he shouldn't start.  his role is to be a go to guy on the second unit and be put in with the starters as a role player if needed.

Until I start to see some fire and tenacity out of him, I don't think he's a go-to guy at any time.  I want to see Doc mix and match the starters and bench better until Green shows he's willing to be a go-to guy.

i agree with you on this, however, heading into the season, i think this is what the team is hoping/expecting of him.

[ktw7]

Well I also mentioned trading Kendrick Perkins, not just the $$.

Other than last year after being traded, Jeff Green has never come off the bench in his life and didn't look like he liked it last year. It's highly questionable that he can be an effective bench player.

Do a Google search, Ray Allen has been asked about coming off the bench over the summer and said he would be willing and I'm pretty sure Doc was asked about the issue of PP or Ray coming off the bench as well.

I am not crazy, it's essentially news to hear Green say he's coming off the bench. Especially after we heard KG will play a lot at Center. If KG starts at Center, you're starting Brandon Bass not Jeff Green at 4?

[Who]

I am expecting Jeff Green to play around 25-28 minutes a night on the season.

I'd love to see him play the backup four off the bench alongside either Garnett and J.O'Neal (in other words, an interior defender who protects the rim - not Wilcox or Bass). I think Jeff Green would be a top notch scorer off the bench in that role ala Travis Outlaw in Portland.

[dark_lord]

Well I also mentioned trading Kendrick Perkins, not just the $$.

Other than last year after being traded, Jeff Green has never come off the bench in his life and didn't look like he liked it last year. It's highly questionable that he can be an effective bench player.

Do a Google search, Ray Allen has been asked about coming off the bench over the summer and said he would be willing and I'm pretty sure Doc was asked about the issue of PP or Ray coming off the bench as well.

I am not crazy, it's essentially news to hear Green say he's coming off the bench. Especially after we heard KG will play a lot at Center. If KG starts at Center, you're starting Brandon Bass not Jeff Green at 4?

at the end of the day, who cares who starts?!  it is about what you do on the court, who gets meaningful minutes and maximizes while on the court, and who finishes games

[action781]

You guys are acting like I'm an idiot....

I made this thread because we traded Kendrick Perkins for him and we're paying him $9 Million this year. To me that suggests he would play basically starter-type minutes even if he's coming off the bench.

I see no way he breaks 30 mins per game backing up PP only, therefore I'm confused how he's going to play those mins. If he doesn't play those mins, why did we give up Perkins and why are we paying him so much?

The problem is equating salary with role on the team.

Well he does have a point that paying a player $9M with the intended plan to play him less than 30 mpg is pretty dumb unless it's someone like an impact center.  No way he earns that money otherwise.

I'd like to see lots of times in these back-to-backs we let Pierce, KG, Ray, and JO take entire days off and slot either Bass or Green into the starting lineup and give them lots of minutes.  They are both talented enough to deserve 30+ minutes in occasional games and I think it would especially help Green find his groove while, most importantly, helping our vets avoid fatigue and injuries.  I think this is a no-brainer and really hope Doc and the Big 3 are on board for this.  I think it'd be especially helpful to do so during games against weaker teams when our vets tend to play down to the level of their opponents.

[Who]

I for one would love to see us start small with him at the 4 and KG at the 5. Of course, with match-up considerations.

I've always thought our best starting line-up (at least early minutes of the game) was when we had Scalabrine starting with the rest of our main starters while Perk was out with injuries.

Great energy, great floor spacing and we really took advantage of opponents early on.

I think I'd rather see Bass start at PF for defensive purposes and have Green come in early at the PF.  Green would get absolutely man-handled by fresh PF's like Boozer, Bosh, Dirk, Z-Bo, Aldridge, Pau, Amare, etc. at the beginning of games.  Not saying it's easy work for anyone to guard those guys, but Green wouldn't have a chance when they're fresh at the beginning of a game and I'd much rather have Bass on them.  Scal on the other hand had the size and defensive ability to guard them.

I am leaning towards Jermaine O'Neal as the starting big man alongside KG. I like his physical presence. Sets a tone for the type of defense Boston want to play throughout the game.

Let Jermaine start, be the first sub out, and, bring JO back in when Kevin needs a rest. Keep one of them on the floor at all times.

Not wild about Bass as a starter. The value he has defensively can drop off when matched up regularly against top notch talent (at PF).

I hate Jeff Green as a starting PF because he is so vulnerable in terms of defense and rebounding. Avoid that like the plague. Least favourite option. Although, like I said, I do love Jeff Green against second unit PFs (or less offensively talented starters).

Chris Wilcox would be secondary choice as a starter after J.O'Neal. I really like the idea of Wilcox's finishing in the paint alongside Rondo and the Big Three. Plus, Wilcox is the second best rebounder on the roster and gives Boston it's strongest rebounding big man combo (Garnett @ C, Wilcox @ PF).

[Who]

I for one would love to see us start small with him at the 4 and KG at the 5. Of course, with match-up considerations.

I've always thought our best starting line-up (at least early minutes of the game) was when we had Scalabrine starting with the rest of our main starters while Perk was out with injuries.

Great energy, great floor spacing and we really took advantage of opponents early on.

I'd really like this plan if you took out Jeff Green and replaced him with Andrei Kirilenko.

[Who]

I'd like to see lots of times in these back-to-backs we let Pierce, KG, Ray, and JO take entire days off and slot either Bass or Green into the starting lineup and give them lots of minutes.  They are both talented enough to deserve 30+ minutes in occasional games and I think it would especially help Green find his groove while, most importantly, helping our vets avoid fatigue and injuries.  I think this is a no-brainer and really hope Doc and the Big 3 are on board for this.  I think it'd be especially helpful to do so during games against weaker teams when our vets tend to play down to the level of their opponents.

Yeah, I'd like to see Doc rest the Big Three here and there too.

Avoid burn-out. Keep them as fresh as possible for the playoffs.

I prefer time off (days/games off) to decrease in minutes. I think it's more effective.

[alley oop]

I seem to recall seeing several threads saying Green should start over Ray or Pierce a couple of months ago.

Yes, there were people asking for/wanting it but it's hard to believe someone would think he was really going to! Over who would be the question (unless he became a center over night and JO was injured)?

As I recall, it started with Danny Ainge once suggesting on the radio, many months ago, that Green might start.

[GreenEnvy]

I am expecting Jeff Green to play around 25-28 minutes a night on the season.

I'd love to see him play the backup four off the bench alongside either Garnett and J.O'Neal (in other words, an interior defender who protects the rim - not Wilcox or Bass). I think Jeff Green would be a top notch scorer off the bench in that role ala Travis Outlaw in Portland.

I hope so. But in what spurts? I could see him getting 10 minutes at a time bridging the quarters.

Although Doc has mentioned altering KG's minutes into 3 spurts per half, but I don't see how that is gonna work. 5 to start the game/half, 5 bridging quarters, and 5 to close the half/game? We still need to see Bass for 18-20 at PF, no?

I don't think he is gonna see all that much time at PF unless he is filling in for someone sitting out. I could however see him playing alongside Pierce (don't know who will defend the opposing 2). Maybe even have 'Quis run the point?

Pierce is too instrumental to our offense to only run him like 28 MPG. If he is at 33 MPG, that's only 15 for Green, and only a handful available at the 2 and 4.

I just don't see where he gets the minutes with our full squad. I guess if matchups permit, he can run at PF with KG at C. If Doc really plans on using KG at C more, then he can see more time at PF.

C - JO 24/KG 10/Wilcox 14
PF - KG 20/Bass 20/JG 8
SF - Pierce 34/JG 14
SG - Ray 34/'Quis 14
PG - Rondo 38/Dooling 10

That's not including any rookies.

[chris_fanfeedr]

For the last few years the starters have consistently performed well while the bench has consistently blown leads. Being one of the few guys on the team who can create his own offense, I think PP could transform the bench from a disaster into a solid unit. Bass/Green/Dooling aren't enough. Plus, he'd still get around 30 minutes/game and get to finish them. You guys should be more receptive to this seeing that the Celtics thrived with guys like McHale/Walton as bench players.

[snively]

I for one would love to see us start small with him at the 4 and KG at the 5. Of course, with match-up considerations.

I've always thought our best starting line-up (at least early minutes of the game) was when we had Scalabrine starting with the rest of our main starters while Perk was out with injuries.

Great energy, great floor spacing and we really took advantage of opponents early on.

I'd really like this plan if you took out Jeff Green and replaced him with Andrei Kirilenko.

Agreed.  I've been lusting after this line-up for awhile. 

[action781]

I for one would love to see us start small with him at the 4 and KG at the 5. Of course, with match-up considerations.

I've always thought our best starting line-up (at least early minutes of the game) was when we had Scalabrine starting with the rest of our main starters while Perk was out with injuries.

Great energy, great floor spacing and we really took advantage of opponents early on.

I think I'd rather see Bass start at PF for defensive purposes and have Green come in early at the PF.  Green would get absolutely man-handled by fresh PF's like Boozer, Bosh, Dirk, Z-Bo, Aldridge, Pau, Amare, etc. at the beginning of games.  Not saying it's easy work for anyone to guard those guys, but Green wouldn't have a chance when they're fresh at the beginning of a game and I'd much rather have Bass on them.  Scal on the other hand had the size and defensive ability to guard them.

I am leaning towards Jermaine O'Neal as the starting big man alongside KG. I like his physical presence. Sets a tone for the type of defense Boston want to play throughout the game.

Let Jermaine start, be the first sub out, and, bring JO back in when Kevin needs a rest. Keep one of them on the floor at all times.

Not wild about Bass as a starter. The value he has defensively can drop off when matched up regularly against top notch talent (at PF).

I hate Jeff Green as a starting PF because he is so vulnerable in terms of defense and rebounding. Avoid that like the plague. Least favourite option. Although, like I said, I do love Jeff Green against second unit PFs (or less offensively talented starters).

Chris Wilcox would be secondary choice as a starter after J.O'Neal. I really like the idea of Wilcox's finishing in the paint alongside Rondo and the Big Three. Plus, Wilcox is the second best rebounder on the roster and gives Boston it's strongest rebounding big man combo (Garnett @ C, Wilcox @ PF).

That's exactly what I hope for too and believe that's what I think Doc has planned.  The Bass/KG duo up front was trying to work in some way with BudweiserCeltic's idea of a "small" starting lineup.  I think the idea has to be considered when JO inevitably isn't available to us (rest or injury) and in preparation for if Wilcox or KG aren't available on the same day.