Why would Danny sign Jeff Green?

[winsomme]

Why would Danny sign Jeff Green thus making him unusable in trades?

I'm not looking for JG to be shipped out of town, but it doesn't seem to make sense to limit our options at this point.

  Maybe someone might have offered him a multi-year deal and we'd have lost him for nothing.

well we could match an offer...and if that was really in the cards why did JG sign..

  Yes, we could match the offer, but I don't think that he wanted to go with a big, long term contract with Green.

So then why did Jeff Green sign the one year deal?

  He's getting more for one year than he'd likely have gotten per year in a longer deal. He can still sign a long term deal next year when he's unrestricted.

right, so both sides wanted this deal. why not see how these other things work out and then finalize the one year deal for Green that both sides want?

It just seems that Danny thought the CP thing was going to end up getting resolved and may have jumped the gun on the Green deal which we agree both sides wanted...

The longer Green waited, the less options for him would exist. The market dries up.  

What if the deal Ainge ends up proposing is worse?

I'm not suggesting Green jumped early. I'm suggesting Danny did...

[j804]

I can't believe this thread. Yea we should have gotten another veteran or someone injury prone right? smh

[Moreover]

Why would Danny sign Jeff Green thus making him unusable in trades?

I'm not looking for JG to be shipped out of town, but it doesn't seem to make sense to limit our options at this point.

  Maybe someone might have offered him a multi-year deal and we'd have lost him for nothing.

well we could match an offer...and if that was really in the cards why did JG sign..

  Yes, we could match the offer, but I don't think that he wanted to go with a big, long term contract with Green.

So then why did Jeff Green sign the one year deal?

  He's getting more for one year than he'd likely have gotten per year in a longer deal. He can still sign a long term deal next year when he's unrestricted.

right, so both sides wanted this deal. why not see how these other things work out and then finalize the one year deal for Green that both sides want?

It just seems that Danny thought the CP thing was going to end up getting resolved and may have jumped the gun on the Green deal which we agree both sides wanted...

The longer Green waited, the less options for him would exist. The market dries up.  

What if the deal Ainge ends up proposing is worse?

I'm not suggesting Green jumped early. I'm suggesting Danny did...

And I'm saying that Green's agent told Ainge "look, give me a contract signed now or we're jumping ship and signing an offer sheet you won't like".

And that forced Ainge to sign the contract.

Seems pretty obvious to me. Otherwise, Ainge would have waited till the 25th hour.

[guava_wrench]

I can't believe this thread. Yea we should have gotten another veteran or someone injury prone right? smh

There will always be people who mention the infinitely many different approaches that could have been taken. Kinda like in elementary school when a 1st grade says 'why?' to everything you say just to annoy you.

[Marcus13]

While I agree he is pretty bad...it was smart to bring him back on a one-year deal so we can dump him next year with the rest of the contracts

[winsomme]

Why would Danny sign Jeff Green thus making him unusable in trades?

I'm not looking for JG to be shipped out of town, but it doesn't seem to make sense to limit our options at this point.

  Maybe someone might have offered him a multi-year deal and we'd have lost him for nothing.

well we could match an offer...and if that was really in the cards why did JG sign..

  Yes, we could match the offer, but I don't think that he wanted to go with a big, long term contract with Green.

So then why did Jeff Green sign the one year deal?

  He's getting more for one year than he'd likely have gotten per year in a longer deal. He can still sign a long term deal next year when he's unrestricted.

right, so both sides wanted this deal. why not see how these other things work out and then finalize the one year deal for Green that both sides want?

It just seems that Danny thought the CP thing was going to end up getting resolved and may have jumped the gun on the Green deal which we agree both sides wanted...

The longer Green waited, the less options for him would exist. The market dries up.  

What if the deal Ainge ends up proposing is worse?

I'm not suggesting Green jumped early. I'm suggesting Danny did...

And I'm saying that Green's agent told Ainge "look, give me a contract signed now or we're jumping ship and signing an offer sheet you won't like".

And that forced Ainge to sign the contract.

Seems pretty obvious to me. Otherwise, Ainge would have waited till the 25th hour.

but we're saying that an offer sheet doesn't make sense for Green. he could do much better in FA next year and he's making more per year in this one year deal than he would in a multi-year offer sheet.

[winsomme]

I can't believe this thread. Yea we should have gotten another veteran or someone injury prone right? smh

There will always be people who mention the infinitely many different approaches that could have been taken. Kinda like in elementary school when a 1st grade says 'why?' to everything you say just to annoy you.

ummm, no. Green has been in multiple trade rumors the last 10 days. now, we can't use him as a chip any more. the timing just seems strange to me.

[winsomme]

I can't believe this thread. Yea we should have gotten another veteran or someone injury prone right? smh

I'm not suggesting this even in the slightest. If you read through the thread you'll see that it is the timing of this deal that doesn't make sense not the player.

[BballTim]

Why would Danny sign Jeff Green thus making him unusable in trades?

I'm not looking for JG to be shipped out of town, but it doesn't seem to make sense to limit our options at this point.

  Maybe someone might have offered him a multi-year deal and we'd have lost him for nothing.

well we could match an offer...and if that was really in the cards why did JG sign..

  Yes, we could match the offer, but I don't think that he wanted to go with a big, long term contract with Green.

So then why did Jeff Green sign the one year deal?

  He's getting more for one year than he'd likely have gotten per year in a longer deal. He can still sign a long term deal next year when he's unrestricted.

right, so both sides wanted this deal. why not see how these other things work out and then finalize the one year deal for Green that both sides want?

It just seems that Danny thought the CP thing was going to end up getting resolved and may have jumped the gun on the Green deal which we agree both sides wanted...

  If Danny waits, Green could get a multi-year offer that he likes and either have to match it or lose him, both of which are less preferable to the one year deal. If Green waits to long, the number of teams that might sign him could dry up, and Ainge could lower his offer.

[winsomme]

Why would Danny sign Jeff Green thus making him unusable in trades?

I'm not looking for JG to be shipped out of town, but it doesn't seem to make sense to limit our options at this point.

  Maybe someone might have offered him a multi-year deal and we'd have lost him for nothing.

well we could match an offer...and if that was really in the cards why did JG sign..

  Yes, we could match the offer, but I don't think that he wanted to go with a big, long term contract with Green.

So then why did Jeff Green sign the one year deal?

  He's getting more for one year than he'd likely have gotten per year in a longer deal. He can still sign a long term deal next year when he's unrestricted.

right, so both sides wanted this deal. why not see how these other things work out and then finalize the one year deal for Green that both sides want?

It just seems that Danny thought the CP thing was going to end up getting resolved and may have jumped the gun on the Green deal which we agree both sides wanted...

  If Danny waits, Green could get a multi-year offer that he likes and either have to match it or lose him, both of which are less preferable to the one year deal. If Green waits to long, the number of teams that might sign him could dry up, and Ainge could lower his offer.

I just feel like this is a deal that could easily have waited given that both sides seem to want the same thing: a one year deal.

and now we can't use Green (who is an appealing chip) in any trade proposals.

[Roy H.]

The three reasons Danny probably made the deal when he did:

1.  He wanted Jeff Green to participate in camp; and/or

2.  He was worried about other teams making a multi-year offer; and/or

3.  He thought the chances of landing Chris Paul were low.

[Chris]

I am not sure it has been mentioned yet, but this signing was actually genius, in how it was put together. 

Danny was able to essentially eliminate the issue of Green losing his Bird rights, if he is traded before the deadline this year.  By giving him the raise that he did, rather than the QO, he allowed Green to be able to get a non-Bird right contract from a team that trades for him, starting at over $10 million a year, which is probably no less than what he would be looking for anyways.

So, if the trade deadline comes around, and Danny finds a deal that makes sense for Green, he will be much less likely to veto it, and the team that trades for him will be more likely to give up more value, because they will be able to resign Green, or give him an extension that is close to market value, which might not have been the case with the QO.

Obviously, the best case scenario is that Green performs, and stays with the C's, but this was a clever move by Ainge (and Green's agent) to keep an option open for later in the season.

[wdleehi]

I am not sure it has been mentioned yet, but this signing was actually genius, in how it was put together. 

Danny was able to essentially eliminate the issue of Green losing his Bird rights, if he is traded before the deadline this year.  By giving him the raise that he did, rather than the QO, he allowed Green to be able to get a non-Bird right contract from a team that trades for him, starting at over $10 million a year, which is probably no less than what he would be looking for anyways.

So, if the trade deadline comes around, and Danny finds a deal that makes sense for Green, he will be much less likely to veto it, and the team that trades for him will be more likely to give up more value, because they will be able to resign Green, or give him an extension that is close to market value, which might not have been the case with the QO.

Obviously, the best case scenario is that Green performs, and stays with the C's, but this was a clever move by Ainge (and Green's agent) to keep an option open for later in the season.

Not to mention, 9 million is a good financial base for most large trades. 

[BballTim]

Why would Danny sign Jeff Green thus making him unusable in trades?

I'm not looking for JG to be shipped out of town, but it doesn't seem to make sense to limit our options at this point.

  Maybe someone might have offered him a multi-year deal and we'd have lost him for nothing.

well we could match an offer...and if that was really in the cards why did JG sign..

  Yes, we could match the offer, but I don't think that he wanted to go with a big, long term contract with Green.

So then why did Jeff Green sign the one year deal?

  He's getting more for one year than he'd likely have gotten per year in a longer deal. He can still sign a long term deal next year when he's unrestricted.

right, so both sides wanted this deal. why not see how these other things work out and then finalize the one year deal for Green that both sides want?

It just seems that Danny thought the CP thing was going to end up getting resolved and may have jumped the gun on the Green deal which we agree both sides wanted...

  If Danny waits, Green could get a multi-year offer that he likes and either have to match it or lose him, both of which are less preferable to the one year deal. If Green waits to long, the number of teams that might sign him could dry up, and Ainge could lower his offer.

I just feel like this is a deal that could easily have waited given that both sides seem to want the same thing: a one year deal.

and now we can't use Green (who is an appealing chip) in any trade proposals.

  Neither of them truly "wanted" the deal that was signed. Both of them compared the risks of waiting to get something better to ending up with something worse. If Danny waited, someone could have overpaid for Green and we'd have had depth issues. If Green waited too long then he could have ended up with a 1 year deal for a few million less.

[Chris]

I am not sure it has been mentioned yet, but this signing was actually genius, in how it was put together. 

Danny was able to essentially eliminate the issue of Green losing his Bird rights, if he is traded before the deadline this year.  By giving him the raise that he did, rather than the QO, he allowed Green to be able to get a non-Bird right contract from a team that trades for him, starting at over $10 million a year, which is probably no less than what he would be looking for anyways.

So, if the trade deadline comes around, and Danny finds a deal that makes sense for Green, he will be much less likely to veto it, and the team that trades for him will be more likely to give up more value, because they will be able to resign Green, or give him an extension that is close to market value, which might not have been the case with the QO.

Obviously, the best case scenario is that Green performs, and stays with the C's, but this was a clever move by Ainge (and Green's agent) to keep an option open for later in the season.

Not to mention, 9 million is a good financial base for most large trades. 

Exactly.  On a related note, has anyone heard an official statement from the league on when guys who signed a contract can be traded?

The standard rule is 90 days or December 15th (whichever is later).  However, with the signing period starting 5 months later, there is a chance they will put in a specific provision this year (like, perhaps January 15th?).