Does Brandon Roy's retirement a sign that Celtics shouldn't get Chris Paul?

[OsirusCeltics]

I just heard on NBA TV Brandon Roy has retired because of knee-related issues. I'm not sure Chris Paul's knee problems are as serious as Roy's, but that could foreshadow the unlikeliness of Paul's brittleness. I love Chris Paul and don't doubt his talent, but I rather the Celtics not become the Portland Trailblazers part 2

Last season he missed 45 games because of a torn cartilage.
And reportedly (NOLA.com):
"Noted orthopedist Dr. James Andrews, unable to sew the damaged piece of cartilage, cut it away instead
 There’s the prospect of less cushioning cartilage between the bones, making it possible for some bone-on-bone wear and tear in the knee"


Its bound to happen that he'll miss 30 or so games and not able to hold up. And think of the long term effect of that problem and giving him a long term contract

[tyrone biggums]

I just heard on NBA TV Brandon Roy has retired because of knee-related issues. I'm not sure Chris Paul's knee problems are as serious as Roy's, but that could foreshadow the unlikeliness of Paul's brittleness. I love Chris Paul and don't doubt his talent, but I rather the Celtics not become the Portland Trailblazers part 2

Last season he missed 45 games because of a torn cartilage.
And reportedly (NOLA.com):
"Noted orthopedist Dr. James Andrews, unable to sew the damaged piece of cartilage, cut it away instead
 There’s the prospect of less cushioning cartilage between the bones, making it possible for some bone-on-bone wear and tear in the knee"


Its bound to happen that he'll miss 30 or so games and not able to hold up. And think of the long term effect of that problem and giving him a long term contract

This is a fair point, however, with an issue like that its more likely that a speedy guard can stay in better shape than a big man. As long as Paul goes to a team that plays half court and doesn't go anywhere where he needs to run the fast break 82 games a year, he should be fine. Paul will command a 5 year deal, and while knees can be unpredictable I think the fact hes still very young will help him here.

Again I would be weary but because of the contract he would require, not because Rondo + would be the price. You make that deal 10 out of 10 times, unless there is some type of hidden evidence that Rondo can start creating his own shot.

[pearljammer10]

Huh?

[jambr380]

I just heard on NBA TV Brandon Roy has retired because of knee-related issues. I'm not sure Chris Paul's knee problems are as serious as Roy's, but that could foreshadow the unlikeliness of Paul's brittleness. I love Chris Paul and don't doubt his talent, but I rather the Celtics not become the Portland Trailblazers part 2

Last season he missed 45 games because of a torn cartilage.
And reportedly (NOLA.com):
"Noted orthopedist Dr. James Andrews, unable to sew the damaged piece of cartilage, cut it away instead
 There’s the prospect of less cushioning cartilage between the bones, making it possible for some bone-on-bone wear and tear in the knee"


Its bound to happen that he'll miss 30 or so games and not able to hold up. And think of the long term effect of that problem and giving him a long term contract

This is a fair point, however, with an issue like that its more likely that a speedy guard can stay in better shape than a big man. As long as Paul goes to a team that plays half court and doesn't go anywhere where he needs to run the fast break 82 games a year, he should be fine. Paul will command a 5 year deal, and while knees can be unpredictable I think the fact hes still very young will help him here.

Again I would be weary but because of the contract he would require, not because Rondo + would be the price. You make that deal 10 out of 10 times, unless there is some type of hidden evidence that Rondo can start creating his own shot.

I tend to agree with your post, but isn't Brandon Roy a "speedy guard", as well? I think it really comes down to what the real deal is with Paul's knee. There are many reports out there, but I haven't heard that it is as bad as Roy's.

[manl_lui]

actually it kind of does, but judging how CP3 performed last year in the playoffs kinda makes me want him on our team...the damage he could do to other team with our big 3 around him

but his knees does remind me of Brandon Roy a lot

[dtrader]

I just heard on NBA TV Brandon Roy has retired because of knee-related issues. I'm not sure Chris Paul's knee problems are as serious as Roy's, but that could foreshadow the unlikeliness of Paul's brittleness. I love Chris Paul and don't doubt his talent, but I rather the Celtics not become the Portland Trailblazers part 2

Last season he missed 45 games because of a torn cartilage.
And reportedly (NOLA.com):
"Noted orthopedist Dr. James Andrews, unable to sew the damaged piece of cartilage, cut it away instead
 There’s the prospect of less cushioning cartilage between the bones, making it possible for some bone-on-bone wear and tear in the knee"


Its bound to happen that he'll miss 30 or so games and not able to hold up. And think of the long term effect of that problem and giving him a long term contract

CP3s injury is completely different from Roys injury due to the extent of the damage (if as they reported).  Brandon Roy has NO cartilage left between his knees.  CP3 only had a piece of the cartilage removed.  That means that CP3 should NOT have any bone on bone contact (which is the main issue with Roy.  CP3s injury is extremely common.  Eric bledsoe of the clippers just had the same surgery.  Our own Paul Pierce probably had the same surgery in 2008.  I had the same thing about 18 months ago.  There's no reason CP3 (or Paul Pierce, or Eric Bledsoe) wont continue to play at 100% of their pre-surgery norm.

[Moreover]

Expressions like "No cartilage" and "bone-on-bone" shouldn't be taken literally.

Just a way of dumbing-down the speech so that the patients can get a better grasp of the situation.

The problem with cartilage damage is that it can quickly progress into osteoarthritis. Which eventually caused Roy's retirement.

What we don't know about Paul is the extent of his chondral lesion, his cartilage loss. But a MRI would give the Celtics surgeons a good idea of the lesion grade and of how debilitating it can be.

Wasn't this Paul's first knee surgery anyway? Roy has had multiple arthroscopies and partial menisectomies. I wouldn't be too worried. But I don't know, doctors who have examined Paul and seen his MRI should have a good idea though.

[BballTim]

I just heard on NBA TV Brandon Roy has retired because of knee-related issues. I'm not sure Chris Paul's knee problems are as serious as Roy's, but that could foreshadow the unlikeliness of Paul's brittleness. I love Chris Paul and don't doubt his talent, but I rather the Celtics not become the Portland Trailblazers part 2

Last season he missed 45 games because of a torn cartilage.
And reportedly (NOLA.com):
"Noted orthopedist Dr. James Andrews, unable to sew the damaged piece of cartilage, cut it away instead
 There’s the prospect of less cushioning cartilage between the bones, making it possible for some bone-on-bone wear and tear in the knee"


Its bound to happen that he'll miss 30 or so games and not able to hold up. And think of the long term effect of that problem and giving him a long term contract

CP3s injury is completely different from Roys injury due to the extent of the damage (if as they reported).  Brandon Roy has NO cartilage left between his knees.  CP3 only had a piece of the cartilage removed.  That means that CP3 should NOT have any bone on bone contact (which is the main issue with Roy.  CP3s injury is extremely common.  Eric bledsoe of the clippers just had the same surgery.  Our own Paul Pierce probably had the same surgery in 2008.  I had the same thing about 18 months ago.  There's no reason CP3 (or Paul Pierce, or Eric Bledsoe) wont continue to play at 100% of their pre-surgery norm.

  There are plenty of articles on the web about CP3's knee and most of them that I've seen have said that he might have bone on bone issues, some of the others talked about how he's changed his style of play because of his knee. And PP missed a few weeks with his surgery, that should tell you a little about the relative severity of those injuries.

[PosImpos]

Expressions like "No cartilage" and "bone-on-bone" shouldn't be taken literally.

Just a way of dumbing-down the speech so that the patients can get a better grasp of the situation.

The problem with cartilage damage is that it can quickly progress into osteoarthritis. Which eventually caused Roy's retirement.

What we don't know about Paul is the extent of his chondral lesion, his cartilage loss. But a MRI would give the Celtics surgeons a good idea of the lesion grade and of how debilitating it can be.

Wasn't this Paul's first knee surgery anyway? Roy has had multiple arthroscopies and partial menisectomies. I wouldn't be too worried. But I don't know, doctors who have examined Paul and seen his MRI should have a good idea though.

just sayin, but Moreover sounds like he knows his stuff.

[dtrader]

I just heard on NBA TV Brandon Roy has retired because of knee-related issues. I'm not sure Chris Paul's knee problems are as serious as Roy's, but that could foreshadow the unlikeliness of Paul's brittleness. I love Chris Paul and don't doubt his talent, but I rather the Celtics not become the Portland Trailblazers part 2

Last season he missed 45 games because of a torn cartilage.
And reportedly (NOLA.com):
"Noted orthopedist Dr. James Andrews, unable to sew the damaged piece of cartilage, cut it away instead
 There’s the prospect of less cushioning cartilage between the bones, making it possible for some bone-on-bone wear and tear in the knee"


Its bound to happen that he'll miss 30 or so games and not able to hold up. And think of the long term effect of that problem and giving him a long term contract

CP3s injury is completely different from Roys injury due to the extent of the damage (if as they reported).  Brandon Roy has NO cartilage left between his knees.  CP3 only had a piece of the cartilage removed.  That means that CP3 should NOT have any bone on bone contact (which is the main issue with Roy.  CP3s injury is extremely common.  Eric bledsoe of the clippers just had the same surgery.  Our own Paul Pierce probably had the same surgery in 2008.  I had the same thing about 18 months ago.  There's no reason CP3 (or Paul Pierce, or Eric Bledsoe) wont continue to play at 100% of their pre-surgery norm.

  There are plenty of articles on the web about CP3's knee and most of them that I've seen have said that he might have bone on bone issues, some of the others talked about how he's changed his style of play because of his knee. And PP missed a few weeks with his surgery, that should tell you a little about the relative severity of those injuries.

No articles put by cp3, his agent, his Doctor, or the hornets indicate CP3s knee having bone on bone issues.  Actually they said those were "bizarre rumors".  Most (if not all) of the articles talking about CP3s injury being severe, were written within the context of reasons not to trade for cp3 (many on celtic sites).  They picked and chose which quotes to use, and twisted them to serve that end.

 The time taken off, is as much a result of the aim of the surgery as the extent of the injury.  Brandon Bass my have torn his meniscus last year, but missed very little time, because they opted to let it heal without surgery.  PP likely tore his, and reports indicate that they simply cleaned out any loose debris from the tear.  In CP3s case, they attempted first to sew it back together without removing it.  This is much less common, but a more involved surgery.  That doesnt mean that the injury itself was any different, but that they tried to address it differently.

 In each case (as with Ray Allen in 2003 and I believe 2007), the injury was a torn meniscus.  It is NOT a major injury unless it is on Roys level where there is no longer cartilage left.  That is not the situation with CP3 (or PP, Bass, or Allen).

[BballTim]

I just heard on NBA TV Brandon Roy has retired because of knee-related issues. I'm not sure Chris Paul's knee problems are as serious as Roy's, but that could foreshadow the unlikeliness of Paul's brittleness. I love Chris Paul and don't doubt his talent, but I rather the Celtics not become the Portland Trailblazers part 2

Last season he missed 45 games because of a torn cartilage.
And reportedly (NOLA.com):
"Noted orthopedist Dr. James Andrews, unable to sew the damaged piece of cartilage, cut it away instead
 There’s the prospect of less cushioning cartilage between the bones, making it possible for some bone-on-bone wear and tear in the knee"


Its bound to happen that he'll miss 30 or so games and not able to hold up. And think of the long term effect of that problem and giving him a long term contract

CP3s injury is completely different from Roys injury due to the extent of the damage (if as they reported).  Brandon Roy has NO cartilage left between his knees.  CP3 only had a piece of the cartilage removed.  That means that CP3 should NOT have any bone on bone contact (which is the main issue with Roy.  CP3s injury is extremely common.  Eric bledsoe of the clippers just had the same surgery.  Our own Paul Pierce probably had the same surgery in 2008.  I had the same thing about 18 months ago.  There's no reason CP3 (or Paul Pierce, or Eric Bledsoe) wont continue to play at 100% of their pre-surgery norm.

  There are plenty of articles on the web about CP3's knee and most of them that I've seen have said that he might have bone on bone issues, some of the others talked about how he's changed his style of play because of his knee. And PP missed a few weeks with his surgery, that should tell you a little about the relative severity of those injuries.

No articles put by cp3, his agent, his Doctor, or the hornets indicate CP3s knee having bone on bone issues.  Actually they said those were "bizarre rumors".  Most (if not all) of the articles talking about CP3s injury being severe, were written within the context of reasons not to trade for cp3 (many on celtic sites).  They picked and chose which quotes to use, and twisted them to serve that end.

  I think that at least some of the articles about CP3's knee were from last season. I mean at least "pseudo" news sites (for sports) like espn. I wouldn't depend on bleacherrports to be accurate, or people from websites with team names in their names to have much inside info. I think most of what you'd see now are a multitude of articles referencing the same few original articles, but I don't think it's true that all the articles are that recent. Most, but not all.

[Roy H.]

I just heard on NBA TV Brandon Roy has retired because of knee-related issues. I'm not sure Chris Paul's knee problems are as serious as Roy's, but that could foreshadow the unlikeliness of Paul's brittleness. I love Chris Paul and don't doubt his talent, but I rather the Celtics not become the Portland Trailblazers part 2

Last season he missed 45 games because of a torn cartilage.
And reportedly (NOLA.com):
"Noted orthopedist Dr. James Andrews, unable to sew the damaged piece of cartilage, cut it away instead
 There’s the prospect of less cushioning cartilage between the bones, making it possible for some bone-on-bone wear and tear in the knee"


Its bound to happen that he'll miss 30 or so games and not able to hold up. And think of the long term effect of that problem and giving him a long term contract

CP3s injury is completely different from Roys injury due to the extent of the damage (if as they reported).  Brandon Roy has NO cartilage left between his knees.  CP3 only had a piece of the cartilage removed.  That means that CP3 should NOT have any bone on bone contact (which is the main issue with Roy.  CP3s injury is extremely common.  Eric bledsoe of the clippers just had the same surgery.  Our own Paul Pierce probably had the same surgery in 2008.  I had the same thing about 18 months ago.  There's no reason CP3 (or Paul Pierce, or Eric Bledsoe) wont continue to play at 100% of their pre-surgery norm.

  There are plenty of articles on the web about CP3's knee and most of them that I've seen have said that he might have bone on bone issues, some of the others talked about how he's changed his style of play because of his knee. And PP missed a few weeks with his surgery, that should tell you a little about the relative severity of those injuries.

Most of those articles refer back to an idiotic comment made by John Hollinger comparing CP3 to Roy.

Chris Paul had part of his meniscus in one knee removed.

Brandon Roy had all of his meniscus removed in both knees.

Huge difference there.

[BballTim]

I just heard on NBA TV Brandon Roy has retired because of knee-related issues. I'm not sure Chris Paul's knee problems are as serious as Roy's, but that could foreshadow the unlikeliness of Paul's brittleness. I love Chris Paul and don't doubt his talent, but I rather the Celtics not become the Portland Trailblazers part 2

Last season he missed 45 games because of a torn cartilage.
And reportedly (NOLA.com):
"Noted orthopedist Dr. James Andrews, unable to sew the damaged piece of cartilage, cut it away instead
 There’s the prospect of less cushioning cartilage between the bones, making it possible for some bone-on-bone wear and tear in the knee"


Its bound to happen that he'll miss 30 or so games and not able to hold up. And think of the long term effect of that problem and giving him a long term contract

CP3s injury is completely different from Roys injury due to the extent of the damage (if as they reported).  Brandon Roy has NO cartilage left between his knees.  CP3 only had a piece of the cartilage removed.  That means that CP3 should NOT have any bone on bone contact (which is the main issue with Roy.  CP3s injury is extremely common.  Eric bledsoe of the clippers just had the same surgery.  Our own Paul Pierce probably had the same surgery in 2008.  I had the same thing about 18 months ago.  There's no reason CP3 (or Paul Pierce, or Eric Bledsoe) wont continue to play at 100% of their pre-surgery norm.

  There are plenty of articles on the web about CP3's knee and most of them that I've seen have said that he might have bone on bone issues, some of the others talked about how he's changed his style of play because of his knee. And PP missed a few weeks with his surgery, that should tell you a little about the relative severity of those injuries.

Most of those articles refer back to an idiotic comment made by John Hollinger comparing CP3 to Roy.

Chris Paul had part of his meniscus in one knee removed.

Brandon Roy had all of his meniscus removed in both knees.

Huge difference there.

  Again, I don't listen to any of those articles. Or, that much, to Hollinger. I don't really think that most people expect CP3 to retire from knee issues any time soon, or turn into Randy Livingston. The question IMO is whether he'll ever turn back into the player he was in 2008 or so. Because, despite a few big games against the Lakers last year, he wasn't that player in 10-11.

[Celtics4ever]

Agree, our technology to repair knees is not up to snuff with the injuries we inflict on them with sports.  I do not recall anyone be as explosive with a repaired knee afterwards.  I for one do not think he will be as durable or as good post injury.  That being said he might be a lot better than a lot of other PGs even in a reduced capacity.

[Who]

There is so much mixed information about CP3's knee that I have no idea what to make of it.