Start Bass?

[Fafnir]

bass should definitely play around 25 minutes a game in the regular season.  he's capable of playing close to starter minutes and given our lack of big man depth he definitely should -- perhaps even closer to 30.

I'd be nervous about playing him that much, we saw how BBD struggled to handle the minutes he had to log.

Bass is a much more athletic guy, but he's still always played bench minutes.

[Jon]

bass should definitely play around 25 minutes a game in the regular season.  he's capable of playing close to starter minutes and given our lack of big man depth he definitely should -- perhaps even closer to 30.

I'd be nervous about playing him that much, we saw how BBD struggled to handle the minutes he had to log.

Bass is a much more athletic guy, but he's still always played bench minutes.

Well, regardless about starting or not, if we go into the season without getting a major upgrade at the 5 spot, we're likely going to have to play him starter-like minutes at the 4 and give KG at least some run at the 5. 

[nickagneta]

I think Jeff Green's market value is only going to decrease by staying with Boston and playing 24 minutes a night stuck behind Ray Allen and Paul Pierce.

It's a situation he should be trying very hard to avoid. Could cost him a lot of money.

Yeah I agree, but as a restricted free agent he's in a bad position to bargain.

In Green's favor is some of the ridiculous contracts being given out which will justify him asking for a long term deal in the $8 million+ a year range.

Baby 4 years $26 million
Marcus Thornton 4 years $31 million
Grant Hill 1 year $6.5 million
Thad Young 5 year $42 million
Chuck Hayes 4 year $21 million

I don't see Ainge giving it too him and will sign and trade him.

[Change]

once and for all kevin Garnett is not a center. Garnett doesn't have the strength to play that position. I recollect 2010 nba playoffs against Dwight Howard, It was embarrassing to watch. KG gets murdered out there guarding any center with some game. I don't know how KG & Bass can co-exist when neither of them can guard centers. Celtics need to pray they never face a legitimate center in the playoffs.

I think you'll find that Dwight Howard murders a number of NBA starting Cs in the post.

Exactly.  

Dwight Howard is a horrible example, and likely the only center in the league that KG would have trouble covering.  

Who else could he not guard?  

Furthermore, let's look at some stats.  

KG is 7-1, 253 lbs.  

Joakim Noah is 6-11, 232.

Tyson Chandler is 7-1 235.

Tim Duncan is 6-11 248

Brooke Lopez is 7-0 265

KG is in the ballpark for all of these guys.  And in fact, if you're really worried about strength, he's better off matching up with centers against teams like Chicago, rather than a bruiser like Boozer.  

And on top of it all, what's better, having KG guard someone stronger than him or having Mike Sweetney out there backing up JO?  At least KG would make his man work on both ends of the court. 

As I said very explicitly in my first post, I'm not talking about a perfect world here.  I'm talking about a world where legit big men are getting the full MLE and a world where we don't have the MLE.  

I'd love a legit center to backup JO as much as the next guy, I'm just not sure it's in the cards.  

on paper garnett should be able to defend centers, but he can't. only kg can answer as to why.

[Jon]

once and for all kevin Garnett is not a center. Garnett doesn't have the strength to play that position. I recollect 2010 nba playoffs against Dwight Howard, It was embarrassing to watch. KG gets murdered out there guarding any center with some game. I don't know how KG & Bass can co-exist when neither of them can guard centers. Celtics need to pray they never face a legitimate center in the playoffs.

I think you'll find that Dwight Howard murders a number of NBA starting Cs in the post.

Exactly.  

Dwight Howard is a horrible example, and likely the only center in the league that KG would have trouble covering.  

Who else could he not guard?  

Furthermore, let's look at some stats.  

KG is 7-1, 253 lbs.  

Joakim Noah is 6-11, 232.

Tyson Chandler is 7-1 235.

Tim Duncan is 6-11 248

Brooke Lopez is 7-0 265

KG is in the ballpark for all of these guys.  And in fact, if you're really worried about strength, he's better off matching up with centers against teams like Chicago, rather than a bruiser like Boozer.  

And on top of it all, what's better, having KG guard someone stronger than him or having Mike Sweetney out there backing up JO?  At least KG would make his man work on both ends of the court. 

As I said very explicitly in my first post, I'm not talking about a perfect world here.  I'm talking about a world where legit big men are getting the full MLE and a world where we don't have the MLE.  

I'd love a legit center to backup JO as much as the next guy, I'm just not sure it's in the cards.  

on paper garnett should be able to defend centers, but he can't. only kg can answer as to why.

Regardless of whether that's right or wrong, I go back to my other argument. 

Ideally, you'd like someone else to play center.  But assuming the choice is between Garnett and a D-League scrub (which it very well may end up being), you go with Garnett at center. 

At least he'll present spacing problems on the other end. 

[snively]

I think Jeff Green's market value is only going to decrease by staying with Boston and playing 24 minutes a night stuck behind Ray Allen and Paul Pierce.

It's a situation he should be trying very hard to avoid. Could cost him a lot of money.

Yeah I agree, but as a restricted free agent he's in a bad position to bargain.

In Green's favor is some of the ridiculous contracts being given out which will justify him asking for a long term deal in the $8 million+ a year range.

Baby 4 years $26 million
Marcus Thornton 4 years $31 million
Grant Hill 1 year $6.5 million
Thad Young 5 year $42 million
Chuck Hayes 4 year $21 million

I don't see Ainge giving it too him and will sign and trade him.

For who?

My initial favorite target was Boris Diaw (playmaker for the bench, Baby replacement, expiring), but that doesn't make much sense with Bass here. 

Pietrus wouldn't be a bad target if Toronto's ready to do a quick turnaround.

To the Spurs for Antonio McDyess and James Anderson?

[Fafnir]

I think Jeff Green's market value is only going to decrease by staying with Boston and playing 24 minutes a night stuck behind Ray Allen and Paul Pierce.

It's a situation he should be trying very hard to avoid. Could cost him a lot of money.

Yeah I agree, but as a restricted free agent he's in a bad position to bargain.

In Green's favor is some of the ridiculous contracts being given out which will justify him asking for a long term deal in the $8 million+ a year range.

Baby 4 years $26 million
Marcus Thornton 4 years $31 million
Grant Hill 1 year $6.5 million
Thad Young 5 year $42 million
Chuck Hayes 4 year $21 million

I don't see Ainge giving it too him and will sign and trade him.

For who?

My initial favorite target was Boris Diaw (playmaker for the bench, Baby replacement, expiring), but that doesn't make much sense with Bass here. 

Pietrus wouldn't be a bad target if Toronto's ready to do a quick turnaround.

To the Spurs for Antonio McDyess and James Anderson?

Diaw would replace Davis as the Celtic we'd most worry about hitting 400 lbs....

[nickagneta]

I think Jeff Green's market value is only going to decrease by staying with Boston and playing 24 minutes a night stuck behind Ray Allen and Paul Pierce.

It's a situation he should be trying very hard to avoid. Could cost him a lot of money.

Yeah I agree, but as a restricted free agent he's in a bad position to bargain.

In Green's favor is some of the ridiculous contracts being given out which will justify him asking for a long term deal in the $8 million+ a year range.

Baby 4 years $26 million
Marcus Thornton 4 years $31 million
Grant Hill 1 year $6.5 million
Thad Young 5 year $42 million
Chuck Hayes 4 year $21 million

I don't see Ainge giving it too him and will sign and trade him.

For who?

My initial favorite target was Boris Diaw (playmaker for the bench, Baby replacement, expiring), but that doesn't make much sense with Bass here. 

Pietrus wouldn't be a bad target if Toronto's ready to do a quick turnaround.

To the Spurs for Antonio McDyess and James Anderson?

Mehmet Okur and a pick

[snively]

I think Jeff Green's market value is only going to decrease by staying with Boston and playing 24 minutes a night stuck behind Ray Allen and Paul Pierce.

It's a situation he should be trying very hard to avoid. Could cost him a lot of money.

Yeah I agree, but as a restricted free agent he's in a bad position to bargain.

In Green's favor is some of the ridiculous contracts being given out which will justify him asking for a long term deal in the $8 million+ a year range.

Baby 4 years $26 million
Marcus Thornton 4 years $31 million
Grant Hill 1 year $6.5 million
Thad Young 5 year $42 million
Chuck Hayes 4 year $21 million

I don't see Ainge giving it too him and will sign and trade him.

For who?

My initial favorite target was Boris Diaw (playmaker for the bench, Baby replacement, expiring), but that doesn't make much sense with Bass here. 

Pietrus wouldn't be a bad target if Toronto's ready to do a quick turnaround.

To the Spurs for Antonio McDyess and James Anderson?

Mehmet Okur and a pick

How much Utah have to start Green at for that to work under the new CBA trade rules? 

[dark_lord]

I would definitely start bass over JO.  JO is old and injury prone, not to mention im not high on his game. 

[jc3celticsphan]

I would definitely start bass over JO.  JO is old and injury prone, not to mention im not high on his game. 

same here having bass at center wouldnt be worse then jermaine there. dont get me wrong i like JO's defense but hes more useless then perk on the offensive end. unless those injuries that plagued him are gone and hes better but he had no quikness at all last season he was stiff

[nickagneta]

I think Jeff Green's market value is only going to decrease by staying with Boston and playing 24 minutes a night stuck behind Ray Allen and Paul Pierce.

It's a situation he should be trying very hard to avoid. Could cost him a lot of money.

Yeah I agree, but as a restricted free agent he's in a bad position to bargain.

In Green's favor is some of the ridiculous contracts being given out which will justify him asking for a long term deal in the $8 million+ a year range.

Baby 4 years $26 million
Marcus Thornton 4 years $31 million
Grant Hill 1 year $6.5 million
Thad Young 5 year $42 million
Chuck Hayes 4 year $21 million

I don't see Ainge giving it too him and will sign and trade him.

For who?

My initial favorite target was Boris Diaw (playmaker for the bench, Baby replacement, expiring), but that doesn't make much sense with Bass here. 

Pietrus wouldn't be a bad target if Toronto's ready to do a quick turnaround.

To the Spurs for Antonio McDyess and James Anderson?

Mehmet Okur and a pick

$8 million a year or so.

How much Utah have to start Green at for that to work under the new CBA trade rules? 

[Sketch5]

Just Sign Wilcox, so maybe he starts, or comes right off the bench at the 5 mark.

[diconzo]

Bass is starter quality, but I would keep the big 4 with JO together. JO is better fresh so let him go first. But on back to backs I would definitely say start Bass. Hes a great player and im pumped to have him here!

[Jon]

This thread remains relevant. If West comes here--especially if  JO goes in the deal--do we start West and slide KG to the 5?

Regardless of that question, it at least seems that KG will be spending significant time at the 5 this year if we are going to fully realize West's potential.