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Start Bass?
« on: December 09, 2011, 05:58:47 PM »

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I know it's very early, but assuming the C's don't get much talent as far as big men, I think starting Brandon Bass could be a way to maximize talent. 

Now before I explain my rationale, I do fully realize that this situation is not ideal; however, neither is our salary flexibility. 

Assuming we only get scrubs to play center who are really third string caliber, we're left our only "good" big men as KG, Bass, JO, and hopefully JaJuan.  You could probably throw Green in there for at least 5-10 mpg too.  The problem is JO is the only legitimate center on the team.  So your two options become this:

1) Start JO and play the scrubs when he's not in the game. 

2) Start KG at center with Bass at the 4, and use JO as the backup.  Then, backup Bass with ideally JaJuan Johnson, or worst case, Jeff Green. 

Does option #2 leave us undersized?  A bit.  But not as much as you might think, as KG is taller than most centers in the league. Furthermore, what team would actually punish us for doing this?

Against Chicago, Noah really isn't a scoring option and Boozer is about as undersized as Bass. 

Against Miami, KG could still guard Bosh and Bass could guard whatever scrub they trot out a center. 

Against the Knicks KG would still guard Amare and Bass could hang with Turiaf. 

And even if you think that any of those teams could "exploit" Bass, I'd love to see the Knicks run their offense through Turiaf instead of Amare and Carmelo. 


The worst thing we can do is overreact about not having a legitimate big man and play scrubs 20 mpg at the position.  All that will do is hurt us offensively and defensively as a player who shouldn't on the court is out there. 

So assuming we can't get a decent backup center.  I'd start KG at the 5 and Bass at the 4.  Bring JO off the bench.  However, I'd work the minutes (about 30 mpg for all) so that KG would still still finish the games with JO, giving us the formidable defense that made us a contender all of these years. 

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Re: Start Bass?
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2011, 06:01:33 PM »

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I think you start JO and make him the first sub out. You want his size initially against the bigger more talented offensive players you find in team's starting lineups.

Let Bass come in at the five minute mark and finish the quarter. Then let JO anchor (defensively) the second unit.

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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2011, 06:03:11 PM »

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I think you start JO and make him the first sub out. You want his size initially against the bigger more talented offensive players you find in team's starting lineups.

Let Bass come in at the five minute mark and finish the quarter. Then let JO anchor (defensively) the second unit.

I'd be OK with that too.  But regardless of how it's done, I think we're likely going to have to give KG minutes at the 5 and likely Green some minutes at the 4 if we want to fully maximize the talent we have.  

I'd rather play small, but talented players, than large, but unskilled ones.  Mismatches do work both ways.  

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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2011, 06:04:08 PM »

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I think you should still start JO but playing Bass in the kind of lineup you suggest with KG at center is fine like you say against most teams.  The one where you are wrong though is New York, who will have Tyson Chandler at C instead of Turiaf.

I still really want a C or at least a taller big.
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Re: Start Bass?
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2011, 06:23:31 PM »

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once and for all kevin Garnett is not a center. Garnett doesn't have the strength to play that position. I recollect 2010 nba playoffs against Dwight Howard, It was embarrassing to watch. KG gets murdered out there guarding any center with some game. I don't know how KG & Bass can co-exist when neither of them can guard centers. Celtics need to pray they never face a legitimate center in the playoffs.

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« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2011, 06:25:37 PM »

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once and for all kevin Garnett is not a center. Garnett doesn't have the strength to play that position. I recollect 2010 nba playoffs against Dwight Howard, It was embarrassing to watch. KG gets murdered out there guarding any center with some game. I don't know how KG & Bass can co-exist when neither of them can guard centers. Celtics need to pray they never face a legitimate center in the playoffs.
But he could guard like a non-scoring center or a shorter guy. Like Joel Pryzbilla or Sheldon Williams.  Or some skinny college guy

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« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2011, 06:29:39 PM »

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once and for all kevin Garnett is not a center. Garnett doesn't have the strength to play that position. I recollect 2010 nba playoffs against Dwight Howard, It was embarrassing to watch. KG gets murdered out there guarding any center with some game. I don't know how KG & Bass can co-exist when neither of them can guard centers. Celtics need to pray they never face a legitimate center in the playoffs.
I think you'll find that Dwight Howard murders a number of NBA starting Cs in the post.

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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2011, 06:35:40 PM »

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once and for all kevin Garnett is not a center. Garnett doesn't have the strength to play that position. I recollect 2010 nba playoffs against Dwight Howard, It was embarrassing to watch. KG gets murdered out there guarding any center with some game. I don't know how KG & Bass can co-exist when neither of them can guard centers. Celtics need to pray they never face a legitimate center in the playoffs.
I think you'll find that Dwight Howard murders a number of NBA starting Cs in the post.

Big baby and Perk at least challenged him physically. KG was helpless against Dwight. he was few seconds away from the mercy rule. A hobbled Bynum also had his way with him.

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« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2011, 06:37:51 PM »

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once and for all kevin Garnett is not a center. Garnett doesn't have the strength to play that position. I recollect 2010 nba playoffs against Dwight Howard, It was embarrassing to watch. KG gets murdered out there guarding any center with some game. I don't know how KG & Bass can co-exist when neither of them can guard centers. Celtics need to pray they never face a legitimate center in the playoffs.
I think you'll find that Dwight Howard murders a number of NBA starting Cs in the post.

Big baby and Perk at least challenged him physically. KG was helpless against Dwight. he was few seconds from the mercy rule. A hobbled Bynum also had his way with KG.
Indeed, but those are match ups with a small number of teams.

KG can and has played defacto C quite frequently for the C's depending on defensive match ups. Bass really isn't any better equipped for it than he is.

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« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2011, 06:37:52 PM »

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I think you are making a fairly large assumption in thinking Jeff Green will be here.

Training camp started and he hasn't been signed or taken the QO yet.

I still say he's not on this team this year. Been saying it for a while. If he was going to be on this team he would have been in camp already but I am sure Danny is using him as trade bait for a center or for a renewed attempt at Chris Paul.

If Green heads out for a center then there's zero reason to start Bass.

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« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2011, 06:39:47 PM »

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I still say he's not on this team this year. Been saying it for a while. If he was going to be on this team he would have been in camp already but I am sure Danny is using him as trade bait for a center or for a renewed attempt at Chris Paul.

Why would he sign a QO early?

The C's clearly aren't going to extend him, its more a matter of if another team gives him an offer sheet he finds acceptable or if Danny uses him in a trade.

He easily could play out for his QO like Ben Gordon did, especially if he wants 10 million or more a year still yuck....

Re: Start Bass?
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2011, 06:42:02 PM »

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once and for all kevin Garnett is not a center. Garnett doesn't have the strength to play that position. I recollect 2010 nba playoffs against Dwight Howard, It was embarrassing to watch. KG gets murdered out there guarding any center with some game. I don't know how KG & Bass can co-exist when neither of them can guard centers. Celtics need to pray they never face a legitimate center in the playoffs.
I think you'll find that Dwight Howard murders a number of NBA starting Cs in the post.

Exactly.  

Dwight Howard is a horrible example, and likely the only center in the league that KG would have trouble covering.  

Who else could he not guard?  

Furthermore, let's look at some stats.  

KG is 7-1, 253 lbs.  

Joakim Noah is 6-11, 232.

Tyson Chandler is 7-1 235.

Tim Duncan is 6-11 248

Brooke Lopez is 7-0 265

KG is in the ballpark for all of these guys.  And in fact, if you're really worried about strength, he's better off matching up with centers against teams like Chicago, rather than a bruiser like Boozer.  

And on top of it all, what's better, having KG guard someone stronger than him or having Mike Sweetney out there backing up JO?  At least KG would make his man work on both ends of the court. 

As I said very explicitly in my first post, I'm not talking about a perfect world here.  I'm talking about a world where legit big men are getting the full MLE and a world where we don't have the MLE.  

I'd love a legit center to backup JO as much as the next guy, I'm just not sure it's in the cards.  

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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2011, 06:43:10 PM »

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I still say he's not on this team this year. Been saying it for a while. If he was going to be on this team he would have been in camp already but I am sure Danny is using him as trade bait for a center or for a renewed attempt at Chris Paul.

Why would he sign a QO early?

The C's clearly aren't going to extend him, its more a matter of if another team gives him an offer sheet he finds acceptable or if Danny uses him in a trade.

He easily could play out for his QO like Ben Gordon did, especially if he wants 10 million or more a year still yuck....
I think Jeff Green's market value is only going to decrease by staying with Boston and playing 24 minutes a night stuck behind Ray Allen and Paul Pierce.

It's a situation he should be trying very hard to avoid. Could cost him a lot of money.

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« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2011, 06:44:06 PM »

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I think Jeff Green's market value is only going to decrease by staying with Boston and playing 24 minutes a night stuck behind Ray Allen and Paul Pierce.

It's a situation he should be trying very hard to avoid. Could cost him a lot of money.
Yeah I agree, but as a restricted free agent he's in a bad position to bargain.

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« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2011, 06:46:16 PM »

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bass should definitely play around 25 minutes a game in the regular season.  he's capable of playing close to starter minutes and given our lack of big man depth he definitely should -- perhaps even closer to 30.
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