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Re: No Question. Stern Did What Was Best For Hornet's Future
« Reply #60 on: December 09, 2011, 02:21:40 PM »

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“Since the NBA purchased the New Orleans Hornets, final responsibility for significant management decisions lies with the Commissioner’s Office in consultation with team chairman Jac Sperling. All decisions are made on the basis of what is in the best interests of the Hornets. In the case of the trade proposal that was made to the Hornets for Chris Paul, we decided, free from the influence of other NBA owners, that the team was better served with Chris in a Hornets uniform than by the outcome of the terms of that trade.”

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/09/david-stern-releases-statement-on-chris-paul-trade-veto?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Pretty much he is saying that trade sucks for the Hornets in the long term and that is all we are concerned about.

I didn't think that's what he was saying at all. nickagneta I think nailed the reason why the trade was vetoed, and I don't think it was Dan Gilbert, or the actual players coming back that had anything to do with it.

I think it was done purely because if the Hornets traded Chris Paul before a new owner could take the keel, the only thing it could do is drive down the price of the team in the short term. Chris Paul is leaving, that's not the debate. The debate moreso is that if/when he leaves, the new team owner will be able to pull the trigger, so any outcomes of that future trade are just projections, not realities.

Better to hold and sell than trade him now and potentially drive down the return on the team.

Are there any prospective buyers at the moment anyway? Are they in negotiations with people? Acquiring an NBA franchise just doesn't happen overnight.

The field of prospective owners is pretty small. You have to think that David Stern knows, or has an idea of who will be buying the team, assuming there are viable partners to be had at the moment.

For a league wanting to unload a team onto a new owner and keeping that team's value high and static, keeping Chris Paul is the right move. For expediting the rebuilding process (from a basketball standpoint), trading CP3 is the right move.

I agree CP3 needs and will be traded. I don't think he should be traded for a deal that takes away the cap space of the team long term. I believe the number of potential owners will change based on where the Hornets are drafting and what their cap looks like. Clearly CP3 doesn't help sell the team bc he is gone after this season. Just shows you from a long term business standpoint how bad that deal was for NO if the NBA believes CP3 still on the team makes them more attractive then that deal does.


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Re: No Question. Stern Did What Was Best For Hornet's Future
« Reply #61 on: December 09, 2011, 02:23:19 PM »

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Completely disagree with the OP. Hornets turned Paul into two-thirds of a playoff-quality lineup: a great scorer and rebounder in Scola, one of the league's most efficient scorers in Martin, and maybe the league's most versatile player in Odom. As far as immediate basketball impact, that's a way better haul than Gasol, Garnett, or Anthony netted.

Again the NBA is trying to sell this team. No luck in doing so yet. So throw immediate basketball impact out the window. It's about making this team more attractive for a buyer and that will likely take time.

The team has not been able to attract a buyer with CP3 on the team. If he was the lure, why haven't they found anyone yet? It's a question of market more than it is the composition of the roster. The team they assembled would have been a playoff team, and a pretty interesting, diverse one at that. Yes, superstars make a big impact, but the team is not re-signing CP3 no matter what, so why not get a decent team out of the deal?

CP3 isn't the lure. Stern was saying that he is a better lure with the current situation then acquiring the package they got in the trade.

Again no young talent, no star, no lottery picks in 2012, and no cap space. How is that a lure?


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Re: No Question. Stern Did What Was Best For Hornet's Future
« Reply #62 on: December 09, 2011, 02:25:58 PM »

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From what I'm gathering neither HOU or LA is opposed to tinkering with the deal, but they have not been told who NO can trade.

We're going to see a reworked deal, I have no doubt. Can't put the toothpaste back in the tube at this point.

Another 1st, the inclusion of Okafor or Ariza for salary relief, and/or the addition or substitution of one or some of Houston's young players.
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Re: No Question. Stern Did What Was Best For Hornet's Future
« Reply #63 on: December 09, 2011, 02:28:59 PM »

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Just shows you from a long term business standpoint how bad that deal was for NO if the NBA believes CP3 still on the team makes them more attractive then that deal does.

I think the flexibility of the new owner to decide what to do with CP3 (assuming that they buy the team before CP3 bolts) has more to do with it than the actual trade proposed.

But there is an easy way to tell who is right...either CP3 will be dealt before the deadline, or he won't. If he's dealt without some long exhaustive commentary on why David Stern is telling us that the trade being done is 'different', then you're right. If he's traded with some long bull-crap explanation or if he's not traded, I'm right.

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Re: No Question. Stern Did What Was Best For Hornet's Future
« Reply #64 on: December 09, 2011, 02:31:26 PM »

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Just shows you from a long term business standpoint how bad that deal was for NO if the NBA believes CP3 still on the team makes them more attractive then that deal does.

I think the flexibility of the new owner to decide what to do with CP3 (assuming that they buy the team before CP3 bolts) has more to do with it than the actual trade proposed.

But there is an easy way to tell who is right...either CP3 will be dealt before the deadline, or he won't. If he's dealt without some long exhaustive commentary on why David Stern is telling us that the trade being done is 'different', then you're right. If he's traded with some long bull-crap explanation or if he's not traded, I'm right.

I agree


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Re: No Question. Stern Did What Was Best For Hornet's Future
« Reply #65 on: December 09, 2011, 03:39:36 PM »

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I listened to a podcast a couple months ago between David stern and bill Simmons.  Simmons brought up the fact that nobody wanted to buy the hornets and stern quickly corrected him.  According to stern, there were several prospective owners lined up to buy the hornets, but the league was not going to sell the team until the new CBA was in place.  They wanted to make sure that whoever bought into the league wasn't getting saddled with a bad financial situation.  The hornets have been losing money almost every year.   

As we know, the CBA wasn't finalized until ... Yesterday?  ... If stern wasn't lying, the hornets will be sold soon... And it makes no sense to make the CHRIS Paul decision until the new owners can figure out what they are willing to do.  Bringing on additional salary seems moronic in this situation

Re: No Question. Stern Did What Was Best For Hornet's Future
« Reply #66 on: December 09, 2011, 03:51:55 PM »

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Here is an interview I found on Nola.com with Jac Sperling. Some other interesting stuff in the interview. All about the ownership and financial situation. No basketball related questions.

http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ssf/2011/10/q_a_with_new_orleans_hornets_c.html

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Can you update fans on where the ownership situation stands once the labor negotiation is settled?

Actually, we’ve started having conversations with potential owners already. The number of potential owners has grown. I think the commissioner mentioned there were four or five, and I think the number has increased a little bit. There are some potential owners who live in New Orleans and some who live outside of New Orleans. But all of them understand that they would be buying a team that would have a long-term lease here. And that’s the goal — to extend the lease to a long-term arrangement with the state as part of finding a new owner.

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You mentioned the number of potential individuals or groups had increased a bit. Can you be specific as to a number?

Probably two or three additional parties, in addition to the four or five.

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Ten months ago, this franchise was in financial disarray. Ten months later, it seems to be on more sound financial footing with a more rosy economic outlook. How did that all come about?

I think it started out with the vision of the commissioner as to what was possible in New Orleans. And from that strong vision, making sure New Orleans had a chance to show what it could do. That vision and energy has been transferred to our great staff, (team president) Hugh Weber and his staff, and to the fans of the city, fans of the Hornets who are located in the market area who’ve stepped up and bought tickets understanding the situation. And the great support we’ve gotten from Gov. (Bobby) Jindal and Mayor (Mitch) Landrieu to get the message out how important this asset is to the city.

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In the conversations I’ve had with potential local owners, each and every one of them is paying very close attention to what we’re doing in our season-ticket sales. They want to make sure that if they make a substantial financial investment that this asset will be financially viable for years to come. Getting to 10,000 season tickets is a very strong indicator of that. Getting our sponsorships up, which we’re working on, is a strong further indicator. And having a long-term lease with the state is yet a further indicator. All those three things are important, and all the potential local owners are paying very close attention to what’s happening, which is why we can’t really get a sales piece done until we get to the 10,000.

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Earlier this summer, you announced you’d reached five sponsors in the “Crescent City Champion” level of sponsorship (at least $1 million per year), the most you’ve ever had. Any more on the horizon, and is there a magic number with corporate sponsorships as there is with season tickets?

We’re trying to increase our sponsorship revenues by about one third, which is a very large increase. We have a very talented sponsorship group. They’re committed to helping us. The governor and the mayor have each hosted receptions where we’ve invited sponsors, and they’ve helped us make a pitch as to why these potential sponsors should step up and become a sponsor of the Hornets. Those have been very effective.

Re: No Question. Stern Did What Was Best For Hornet's Future
« Reply #67 on: December 09, 2011, 03:54:11 PM »

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I listened to a podcast a couple months ago between David stern and bill Simmons.  Simmons brought up the fact that nobody wanted to buy the hornets and stern quickly corrected him.  According to stern, there were several prospective owners lined up to buy the hornets, but the league was not going to sell the team until the new CBA was in place.  They wanted to make sure that whoever bought into the league wasn't getting saddled with a bad financial situation.  The hornets have been losing money almost every year.   

As we know, the CBA wasn't finalized until ... Yesterday?  ... If stern wasn't lying, the hornets will be sold soon... And it makes no sense to make the CHRIS Paul decision until the new owners can figure out what they are willing to do.  Bringing on additional salary seems moronic in this situation
True. I guess it's possible to sell it to one of those billionaire guys from Texas or Russia who might be able to get Chris Paul to stay

Re: No Question. Stern Did What Was Best For Hornet's Future
« Reply #68 on: December 09, 2011, 05:16:13 PM »

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I am still shocked that they blocked it.  I guess even the league has to protect it's investment in buying the team.  Kudos for Stern and league being the good guys for once!

Re: No Question. Stern Did What Was Best For Hornet's Future
« Reply #69 on: December 09, 2011, 05:48:22 PM »

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The best thing for the Hornets to get out of this trade was a promising young player (that could be star quality) and young assets and/or picks.  People are comparing this deal to say the Garnett trade, but that trade had at least one high potential player in Al Jefferson and some young players and assets.  Even the Gasol trade, which was worse, had Marc Gasol in it.

What do you get from the current trade?  Good players yes, but aging players, a young player in Kevin Martin who is not a star, he is a capable scorer but I think has proven by this point has shown no ability to become something greater.

I am confused how the Lakers trade fits in if you look at the pattern of the discussed trades.  The Golden State trade had Curry targeted, the Clippers trade had Eric Gordon targeted, the Celtics trade has Rondo (who the Hornets were down on) all young players with star potential (IMO already proven in Rondo).

So the Lakers trade?  They become at best mediocre.  They are in the worst position for improving your team as a team that is not a Free Agent preferred destination.  They usually get bad picks.  They didn't get young players or multiple picks so there is no development or potential coming in.  Curry and Gordon they wanted and that made sense, both will be I think consistent All-Stars going forward and have the potential of more.  You get a player like that, then picks, hope you get lucky and land a Kevin Durant or Blake Griffin type player.

You have to keep in mind that also from a business perspective, the league is trying to sell this team.  Curry or Gordon could be faces to sell an owner and a fanbase on for the future.  Who would it be now?  Kevin Martin?  Who is going to buy that?



I also have to say the Hornets taking on money is pretty crazy.  Have to agree on Dan Gilbert (as much as I hate to say it).  Lakers should have had to take bake some of their expensive/bad contracts.
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Re: No Question. Stern Did What Was Best For Hornet's Future
« Reply #70 on: December 09, 2011, 06:47:14 PM »

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans_Hornets#cite_note-2

right now on wikipedia it says David Stern is the owner of the Hornets. I find that funny

Re: No Question. Stern Did What Was Best For Hornet's Future
« Reply #71 on: December 09, 2011, 07:01:38 PM »

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Some of you guys are funny.

Who says the right way to trade your franchise player is to get a stud young guy and a boatload of draft picks?

Is that written in some manual somewhere?

1.) You ain't ever going to trade away your franchise player and get anything back in return that will make you a contender...that just doesn't happen, you never get more return on your dollar when you deal away a player who doesn't want to play on your team.

2.) Trading away your franchise player for young, unproven stud player or draft picks are always a huge risk.....this risk will also not draw buyers. It might draw fans who think the future is how you make money, but it isn't. How you make money is how your present state of business is currently situated.

3.) I could have sworn the reasoning Stern opposed the trade was because he did not like players dictating where they wanted to go. That is not preserving any benefit for NO Hornets. That is preserving Stern and some of the other owners' personal ego.

I don't think anyone would disagree that ego and sticking it to the players made this a little sweet BUT I disagree with you that the way to go isn't to get young players, picks, and cap space especially with this draft on the horizon.

Kevin Martin, although no longer young, is a pretty good piece. Is he worth CP3, hell no, but you add in two big guys who may be all-star cusp worthy and a draft pick, that's a really good package.

That package doesn't help you "build for the future" but it does make your team significantly better "right now".

Kevin Martin doesn't do a heck of a lot other than score, but if you have Scola to rebound and Odom to make plays (and rebound), all you really need is for Kevin Martin to score and he knows how to do that. He has a higher career TS% than both Paul Pierce and Dirk Nowitzki. Kevin Martin also gets to the line a ton...I mean a ton.

Re: No Question. Stern Did What Was Best For Hornet's Future
« Reply #72 on: December 09, 2011, 08:01:03 PM »

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This is from a thread I made on realgm:


First off, let me just say that I hate Stern.  I am not defending him generally.  He should have been fired, drawn, and quartered for a million other offenses.  But not for this. 

Here's what happened:

Yesterday, a deal was agreed to in principle where New Orleans sends Chris Paul to the Lakers, L.A. sends Lamar Odom to New Orleans and Pau Gasol to Houston, and Houston sends Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, Goran Dragic and a 2012 draft pick (which they received from NY, a pick that would be in the mid 20s) to New Orleans.  When I heard this I started the first draft of my suicide note because I knew this meant Dwight Howard would likely be joining the Lakers soon as well (they kept Bynum as the major trade piece for Dwight), giving us a league dominated by Miami and L.A. for the next decade.  Within an hour, Commissioner Stern disallowed the trade.  Everyone went crazy saying he was doing something unprecedented and generally being a dictatorial ****.  The media, who love anything and everything Laker, immediately spun this into Stern using his power as Commissioner to veto a trade he didn't agree with, something which admittedly never happens.  The problem is, that's not what happened at all.

Let's rewind to December of last year really quick:  Last year, George Shinn -- owner of the New Orleans Hornets -- could no longer afford to operate his franchise.  Unfortunately, nobody was willing to buy the New Orleans Hornets, a team and city still in shambles from Hurricane Katrina.  So, in an unprecedented move, the NBA itself purchased the team for $300 million.  What does this mean?  This means the 29 owners of the other NBA franchises effectively own the Hornets as well.  Mark Cuban and Wyc Grousbeck and Jerry Buss and the rest are all shareholders in the Hornets, each with a 1/29 share.  They each split up the $300 million cost and paid for this share.  Any and all salaries on the roster are split and paid by these 29 other owners.  Commissioner Stern, as representative of the owners, is in a sense the owners' de facto representative of Hornets ownership.  In this totally weird situation, David Stern is effectively New Orleans's Mark Cuban.  Since this had never happened before, and questions arose about inevitable conflicts of interest, the league hired Dell Demps to be the general manager of the Hornets and essentially let him run the team.  The rest of the owners still owned the Hornets, mind you, but the team was being run by Demps.

Now, as with any trade, the team's general manager has to take an offer he likes to his owner and ask for approval, since the owner is the one signing the checks.  This happens everyday in trades.  When Danny Ainge finds a trade he likes, he has to go to Celtics owner Wyc Grousbeck to get final approval.  Owners can and have turned down trades from their general managers for business reasons.  Even if the trade would help the team in the short term talent-wise, owners have nixed them for fear that the trade will hurt the franchise financially.  And this is exactly what happened yesterday.  Dell Demps agreed to a trade in principle, a point that has to emphasized since trades couldn't officially be made till today anyway.  Stern, in his role as representative of the owners of the Hornets (i.e. the other 29 owners), said "no deal, the trade hurts the franchise."  The media, in its typical moronic fashion, totally missed this point and said the deal was done (again, it wasn't; no trade could even be made till today) and that Stern "vetoed" it in his capacity as NBA Commissioner (also false).  And that's how things go with the likes of ESPN.

Now why would Stern say the trade was bad for the Hornets? To understand this, we have to first ascertain what the Hornets should want in a trade at this point.  They're losing their star player, they are clearly in rebuild mode, and they are looking to be sold to a potential buyer.  With that in mind, the franchise should want: 1) a young stud or two, 2) high draft picks, especially in this year's draft which is slated to be one of the best drafts in recent history, and 3) reasonable contracts that won't cripple the franchise.  They don't want bloated long-term contracts (this significantly hurts the chances a buyer will want to buy the franchise).  They don't want just enough good-but-not-great players to barely miss the playoffs every year, i.e. to stay mediocre, to do well enough to never get good draft picks but also never be able to contend. 

What did the Lakers trade get them?  Exactly what they didn't want!  They didn't get any young studs.  They got 31-year old Luis Scola, with 4 years $40 million left on his contract.  They got 32-year old Lamar Odom, who is a good player but nothing great and has 3 years $27 million left on his contract.  They got a 28-year old Kevin Martin, a player who is talented but not All-star caliber and who also happens to have the brittle body of a 45-year old.  They got Goran Dragic; woohoo I guess?  And they got a draft pick that will be in the mid 20s.  And they got all this for the awesome price of taking on $70 million onto their payroll.  What????

Boston was willing to give them Rajon Rondo (on a great deal, mind you), Jeff Green, and two draft picks (one of which would likely end up being between pick 11 and 14 this year, since it was from the Clippers).  A young stud, good contracts, a young guy with potential in Green, and a better draft pick.  And yet Dell Demps turned this down.  This was a much better package for New Orleans, especially when you consider their goals.  Would Martin, Scola, and Odom make the team better in the short term?  Yes, most likely.  But that's not what we're discussing here.  These are business decisions.  The team would have been much better served with Boston's package in the long run, and that's what matters when you're trying to sell the franchise.  A potential buyer doesn't care that this team will win 40 games each season for the next few seasons.  A potential buyer wants a young team on lean contracts, with potential.  A potential buyer wants a high pick in this upcoming stacked draft, to be able to get a rookie that can end up maybe being the new face of the franchise in a few years.  The owner doesn't want 3 guys in their 30s or close to it.

When you look at it from the perspectives of the 29 other owners who own the Hornets, suddenly it makes a lot of sense why the owners were in an uproar and asked Stern to not approve the trade.  In this trade, the Lakers were getting the best player and all the salary cap savings.  This never happens.  Dan Gilbert made a great point about this and I can't emphasize this enough, in spite of my overall disdain for Gilbert.  The Lakers got the best player in the trade AND saved $20 million this year, and didn't even give up any draft picks.  Because of this, the Lakers saved an additional $20 million in luxury tax.  Mind you, luxury tax paid by a team goes into a pool that is distributed to the non-luxury-tax teams at the end of the year, as a sort of bonus for teams that stayed under the luxury tax threshold.  The other non-tax owners would have been denied the extra $20 million the Lakers should have paid in luxury tax to them.

So, in effect, you have the other 29 owners who own the Hornets 1) footing the bill of the $70 million in salary taken back by the Hornets over the next few years, assuming a buyer isn't found, 2) being denied the luxury tax disbursement they would have gotten by the Lakers, and 3) being put in a tougher situation trying to sell the team to a potential buyer since the team is worse off in the long run.  And all this good stuff for what?  For the honor of gifting a top 5 player in Chris Paul to the Lakers, who would then undoubtedly be used to start another dynasty.  Of course the owners (who again, mind you, control the Hornets) wouldn't sign off on this.  It makes zero sense for all parties involved, except for the Lakers.

To give you an idea of what the Hornets should have been after, the most analogous example is Utah trading Deron Williams last year.  It's especially apt since Chris Paul and Deron Williams are the top 2 point guards in the league.  Utah moved Williams to New Jersey for Derrick Favors (a highly rated big man prospect who was just taken with the 3rd pick), two first round picks, and Devin Harris.  They saved money, got a young big man with a lot of potential who may be the future face of the franchise, a young point guard who is on an okay deal, and two high picks in the 2011 and 2012 drafts.  When you compare what Utah got with what New Orleans did, Utah totally made out like bandits.  They're now in full rebuild mode, and will do much better in the long run than New Orleans would have.

Why did Demps do this trade then? A few reasons.  Dell Demps made a good 'fantasy basketball' move.  He made the team better in the very short term.  He doesn't care about the business side of things.  He's not the owner.  He's not the one selling the team.  He made the team better this year, since Chris Paul was going to leave anyway.  And this is why stupid media pundits are "praising" him for what he was able to get.  Cause they don't see the big picture either.  Most importantly, Dell Demps was looking out for himself.  He can turn around and pad his resume: "I lost Chris Paul but was still able to get pieces to have a 40-win team and sneak into the playoffs.  I'm a great GM."  The Hornets ownership (i.e. the rest of the league) stepped in and didn't approve cause it hurt the team when you look at the big picture.

Most importantly -- and this is somewhat conspiracy theory-ish -- Demps was forced into this position by Chris Paul.  By all indications, the Hornets were about to make the trade with the Celtics.  It was so close, in fact, that it was reported that Boston had ordered physicals on Chris Paul, which is one of the last steps teams take before a deal is done.  Then, literally within the span of an hour, the deal fell apart, and the Lakers swooped in.  What happened?  As has been reported over the past week, Paul made it clear he didn't want to play in Boston.  He said he wouldn't sign an extension.  He wanted to go to a big market, notably New York.  This resistance made teams like Golden State, the Clippers, and initially Boston back off.  But Ainge changed his mind and, with immense testicular fortitude, decided he'd take the risk on Chris Paul being a 1-season rental.  He was willing to gamble that he could get Paul to re-up for another contract after this year.  Chris Paul was trying to use the only leverage he had - a threat that he would leave whatever team got him for a big market after this season - in order to secure a trade to New York or another big market and still be able to get the maximum amount of money.  Paul would have to forego at least $24 million if he left whatever team he was traded to and signed with New York, so obviously it was vastly to his benefit if he was able to get traded to whatever team he wanted to right now, and re-up with them after the year.  The problem was Ainge effectively called his bluff, by being willing to take the risk that Paul would not actually give up all that money and leave after the year.  Ainge was daring Paul to put his money where his mouth is.

What follows is speculation:

And this is where I get real conspiratorial (tip of the hat to some realgm posters who speculated about this).  I think with the Boston deal about to go down, Chris Paul and his agent basically told Ainge he wouldn't report to the team if he was traded to Boston.

Note:  Chris Paul's agent is with CAA, the world's largest mega-agency, which also represents over 100 other players and exerts considerable influence on GMs since they can blacklist franchises in trades/signings for their other clients if the GMs don't listen to them, Mafia-style.

This was the only leverage Chris Paul had, the last threat he could make.  And cause of this, the deal fell apart.  All that was left was the awful, awful trade from the Lakers.  Chris Paul held his team hostage, and they were forced to deal with a big market team (the Lakers) in order to get a deal done.  And Dell Demps was happy to oblige, of course, cause on the surface it looks like the team got a pretty good haul.  This is all speculative but the timeline fits, and when you hear Stern yesterday say the league is "tired of players dictating where they get to go in trades," well it all starts to makes sense.

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Re: No Question. Stern Did What Was Best For Hornet's Future
« Reply #74 on: December 09, 2011, 08:52:13 PM »

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This is from a thread I made on realgm:


First off, let me just say that I hate Stern.  I am not defending him generally.  He should have been fired, drawn, and quartered for a million other offenses.  But not for this. 

Here's what happened:

Yesterday, a deal was agreed to in principle where New Orleans sends Chris Paul to the Lakers, L.A. sends Lamar Odom to New Orleans and Pau Gasol to Houston, and Houston sends Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, Goran Dragic and a 2012 draft pick (which they received from NY, a pick that would be in the mid 20s) to New Orleans.  When I heard this I started the first draft of my suicide note because I knew this meant Dwight Howard would likely be joining the Lakers soon as well (they kept Bynum as the major trade piece for Dwight), giving us a league dominated by Miami and L.A. for the next decade.  Within an hour, Commissioner Stern disallowed the trade.  Everyone went crazy saying he was doing something unprecedented and generally being a dictatorial ****.  The media, who love anything and everything Laker, immediately spun this into Stern using his power as Commissioner to veto a trade he didn't agree with, something which admittedly never happens.  The problem is, that's not what happened at all.

Let's rewind to December of last year really quick:  Last year, George Shinn -- owner of the New Orleans Hornets -- could no longer afford to operate his franchise.  Unfortunately, nobody was willing to buy the New Orleans Hornets, a team and city still in shambles from Hurricane Katrina.  So, in an unprecedented move, the NBA itself purchased the team for $300 million.  What does this mean?  This means the 29 owners of the other NBA franchises effectively own the Hornets as well.  Mark Cuban and Wyc Grousbeck and Jerry Buss and the rest are all shareholders in the Hornets, each with a 1/29 share.  They each split up the $300 million cost and paid for this share.  Any and all salaries on the roster are split and paid by these 29 other owners.  Commissioner Stern, as representative of the owners, is in a sense the owners' de facto representative of Hornets ownership.  In this totally weird situation, David Stern is effectively New Orleans's Mark Cuban.  Since this had never happened before, and questions arose about inevitable conflicts of interest, the league hired Dell Demps to be the general manager of the Hornets and essentially let him run the team.  The rest of the owners still owned the Hornets, mind you, but the team was being run by Demps.

Now, as with any trade, the team's general manager has to take an offer he likes to his owner and ask for approval, since the owner is the one signing the checks.  This happens everyday in trades.  When Danny Ainge finds a trade he likes, he has to go to Celtics owner Wyc Grousbeck to get final approval.  Owners can and have turned down trades from their general managers for business reasons.  Even if the trade would help the team in the short term talent-wise, owners have nixed them for fear that the trade will hurt the franchise financially.  And this is exactly what happened yesterday.  Dell Demps agreed to a trade in principle, a point that has to emphasized since trades couldn't officially be made till today anyway.  Stern, in his role as representative of the owners of the Hornets (i.e. the other 29 owners), said "no deal, the trade hurts the franchise."  The media, in its typical moronic fashion, totally missed this point and said the deal was done (again, it wasn't; no trade could even be made till today) and that Stern "vetoed" it in his capacity as NBA Commissioner (also false).  And that's how things go with the likes of ESPN.

Now why would Stern say the trade was bad for the Hornets? To understand this, we have to first ascertain what the Hornets should want in a trade at this point.  They're losing their star player, they are clearly in rebuild mode, and they are looking to be sold to a potential buyer.  With that in mind, the franchise should want: 1) a young stud or two, 2) high draft picks, especially in this year's draft which is slated to be one of the best drafts in recent history, and 3) reasonable contracts that won't cripple the franchise.  They don't want bloated long-term contracts (this significantly hurts the chances a buyer will want to buy the franchise).  They don't want just enough good-but-not-great players to barely miss the playoffs every year, i.e. to stay mediocre, to do well enough to never get good draft picks but also never be able to contend. 

What did the Lakers trade get them?  Exactly what they didn't want!  They didn't get any young studs.  They got 31-year old Luis Scola, with 4 years $40 million left on his contract.  They got 32-year old Lamar Odom, who is a good player but nothing great and has 3 years $27 million left on his contract.  They got a 28-year old Kevin Martin, a player who is talented but not All-star caliber and who also happens to have the brittle body of a 45-year old.  They got Goran Dragic; woohoo I guess?  And they got a draft pick that will be in the mid 20s.  And they got all this for the awesome price of taking on $70 million onto their payroll.  What????

Boston was willing to give them Rajon Rondo (on a great deal, mind you), Jeff Green, and two draft picks (one of which would likely end up being between pick 11 and 14 this year, since it was from the Clippers).  A young stud, good contracts, a young guy with potential in Green, and a better draft pick.  And yet Dell Demps turned this down.  This was a much better package for New Orleans, especially when you consider their goals.  Would Martin, Scola, and Odom make the team better in the short term?  Yes, most likely.  But that's not what we're discussing here.  These are business decisions.  The team would have been much better served with Boston's package in the long run, and that's what matters when you're trying to sell the franchise.  A potential buyer doesn't care that this team will win 40 games each season for the next few seasons.  A potential buyer wants a young team on lean contracts, with potential.  A potential buyer wants a high pick in this upcoming stacked draft, to be able to get a rookie that can end up maybe being the new face of the franchise in a few years.  The owner doesn't want 3 guys in their 30s or close to it.

When you look at it from the perspectives of the 29 other owners who own the Hornets, suddenly it makes a lot of sense why the owners were in an uproar and asked Stern to not approve the trade.  In this trade, the Lakers were getting the best player and all the salary cap savings.  This never happens.  Dan Gilbert made a great point about this and I can't emphasize this enough, in spite of my overall disdain for Gilbert.  The Lakers got the best player in the trade AND saved $20 million this year, and didn't even give up any draft picks.  Because of this, the Lakers saved an additional $20 million in luxury tax.  Mind you, luxury tax paid by a team goes into a pool that is distributed to the non-luxury-tax teams at the end of the year, as a sort of bonus for teams that stayed under the luxury tax threshold.  The other non-tax owners would have been denied the extra $20 million the Lakers should have paid in luxury tax to them.

So, in effect, you have the other 29 owners who own the Hornets 1) footing the bill of the $70 million in salary taken back by the Hornets over the next few years, assuming a buyer isn't found, 2) being denied the luxury tax disbursement they would have gotten by the Lakers, and 3) being put in a tougher situation trying to sell the team to a potential buyer since the team is worse off in the long run.  And all this good stuff for what?  For the honor of gifting a top 5 player in Chris Paul to the Lakers, who would then undoubtedly be used to start another dynasty.  Of course the owners (who again, mind you, control the Hornets) wouldn't sign off on this.  It makes zero sense for all parties involved, except for the Lakers.

To give you an idea of what the Hornets should have been after, the most analogous example is Utah trading Deron Williams last year.  It's especially apt since Chris Paul and Deron Williams are the top 2 point guards in the league.  Utah moved Williams to New Jersey for Derrick Favors (a highly rated big man prospect who was just taken with the 3rd pick), two first round picks, and Devin Harris.  They saved money, got a young big man with a lot of potential who may be the future face of the franchise, a young point guard who is on an okay deal, and two high picks in the 2011 and 2012 drafts.  When you compare what Utah got with what New Orleans did, Utah totally made out like bandits.  They're now in full rebuild mode, and will do much better in the long run than New Orleans would have.

Why did Demps do this trade then? A few reasons.  Dell Demps made a good 'fantasy basketball' move.  He made the team better in the very short term.  He doesn't care about the business side of things.  He's not the owner.  He's not the one selling the team.  He made the team better this year, since Chris Paul was going to leave anyway.  And this is why stupid media pundits are "praising" him for what he was able to get.  Cause they don't see the big picture either.  Most importantly, Dell Demps was looking out for himself.  He can turn around and pad his resume: "I lost Chris Paul but was still able to get pieces to have a 40-win team and sneak into the playoffs.  I'm a great GM."  The Hornets ownership (i.e. the rest of the league) stepped in and didn't approve cause it hurt the team when you look at the big picture.

Most importantly -- and this is somewhat conspiracy theory-ish -- Demps was forced into this position by Chris Paul.  By all indications, the Hornets were about to make the trade with the Celtics.  It was so close, in fact, that it was reported that Boston had ordered physicals on Chris Paul, which is one of the last steps teams take before a deal is done.  Then, literally within the span of an hour, the deal fell apart, and the Lakers swooped in.  What happened?  As has been reported over the past week, Paul made it clear he didn't want to play in Boston.  He said he wouldn't sign an extension.  He wanted to go to a big market, notably New York.  This resistance made teams like Golden State, the Clippers, and initially Boston back off.  But Ainge changed his mind and, with immense testicular fortitude, decided he'd take the risk on Chris Paul being a 1-season rental.  He was willing to gamble that he could get Paul to re-up for another contract after this year.  Chris Paul was trying to use the only leverage he had - a threat that he would leave whatever team got him for a big market after this season - in order to secure a trade to New York or another big market and still be able to get the maximum amount of money.  Paul would have to forego at least $24 million if he left whatever team he was traded to and signed with New York, so obviously it was vastly to his benefit if he was able to get traded to whatever team he wanted to right now, and re-up with them after the year.  The problem was Ainge effectively called his bluff, by being willing to take the risk that Paul would not actually give up all that money and leave after the year.  Ainge was daring Paul to put his money where his mouth is.

What follows is speculation:

And this is where I get real conspiratorial (tip of the hat to some realgm posters who speculated about this).  I think with the Boston deal about to go down, Chris Paul and his agent basically told Ainge he wouldn't report to the team if he was traded to Boston.

Note:  Chris Paul's agent is with CAA, the world's largest mega-agency, which also represents over 100 other players and exerts considerable influence on GMs since they can blacklist franchises in trades/signings for their other clients if the GMs don't listen to them, Mafia-style.

This was the only leverage Chris Paul had, the last threat he could make.  And cause of this, the deal fell apart.  All that was left was the awful, awful trade from the Lakers.  Chris Paul held his team hostage, and they were forced to deal with a big market team (the Lakers) in order to get a deal done.  And Dell Demps was happy to oblige, of course, cause on the surface it looks like the team got a pretty good haul.  This is all speculative but the timeline fits, and when you hear Stern yesterday say the league is "tired of players dictating where they get to go in trades," well it all starts to makes sense.



Very thoughtfully written TP. I agree wholeheartedly btw.