Celtics should rebuild now

[Moranis]

I think we end up renouncing KG and Ray  if they decide to come back for the vet min awesome.

Next we make max offers to one of Gordon, Hibbert or Love.

We try to pry a big salaried player from a rebuilding team for a first and a a huge TPE. Some Targets could include Josh Smith, Al Jefferson.

Best Possible Outcome:
1. Rondo
2. Gordon
3. Green
4. Smith
5. Maybe a bulked up JJJ or Bass

That team would be young athletic and pretty good.

We can't keep Rondo, Pierce, the rights to Green, and the rest of the roster holds and rookie contracts and have the room to offer a max deal AND trade for someone without giving up something in return.  Not enough cap space.  As is, it will be close on the Celtics having the room to offer a full max deal as Pierce and Rondo alone will be close to half of the cap.  The recent and future first rounders (2 picks this summer, Bradley, and Johnson) add in another 5 million.  Bass has a player option at 4 million (he may not exercise it but the C's would have to give up his rights to get out from under his cap hold).  For every empty spot you add in another 500k.  So the Celtics are looking at roughly 35-40 million on the books and that is if Bass leaves and they give up on all free agents.

[Evantime34]

I think we end up renouncing KG and Ray  if they decide to come back for the vet min awesome.

Next we make max offers to one of Gordon, Hibbert or Love.

We try to pry a big salaried player from a rebuilding team for a first and a a huge TPE. Some Targets could include Josh Smith, Al Jefferson.

Best Possible Outcome:
1. Rondo
2. Gordon
3. Green
4. Smith
5. Maybe a bulked up JJJ or Bass

That team would be young athletic and pretty good.

We can't keep Rondo, Pierce, the rights to Green, and the rest of the roster holds and rookie contracts and have the room to offer a max deal AND trade for someone without giving up something in return.  Not enough cap space.  As is, it will be close on the Celtics having the room to offer a full max deal as Pierce and Rondo alone will be close to half of the cap.  The recent and future first rounders (2 picks this summer, Bradley, and Johnson) add in another 5 million.  Bass has a player option at 4 million (he may not exercise it but the C's would have to give up his rights to get out from under his cap hold).  For every empty spot you add in another 500k.  So the Celtics are looking at roughly 35-40 million on the books and that is if Bass leaves and they give up on all free agents.

Sorry the above post assumes Pierce retires after the year

[snively]

I think we end up renouncing KG and Ray  if they decide to come back for the vet min awesome.

Next we make max offers to one of Gordon, Hibbert or Love.

We try to pry a big salaried player from a rebuilding team for a first and a a huge TPE. Some Targets could include Josh Smith, Al Jefferson.

Best Possible Outcome:
1. Rondo
2. Gordon
3. Green
4. Smith
5. Maybe a bulked up JJJ or Bass

That team would be young athletic and pretty good.

We can't keep Rondo, Pierce, the rights to Green, and the rest of the roster holds and rookie contracts and have the room to offer a max deal AND trade for someone without giving up something in return.  Not enough cap space.  As is, it will be close on the Celtics having the room to offer a full max deal as Pierce and Rondo alone will be close to half of the cap.  The recent and future first rounders (2 picks this summer, Bradley, and Johnson) add in another 5 million.  Bass has a player option at 4 million (he may not exercise it but the C's would have to give up his rights to get out from under his cap hold).  For every empty spot you add in another 500k.  So the Celtics are looking at roughly 35-40 million on the books and that is if Bass leaves and they give up on all free agents.

It looks like he's assuming we amnesty Pierce (at least that's what I guessed after seeing Green as the starter).

Personally, I'm still holding on to the pipe dream of adding Howard at the max, splitting the rest of the cap room between Green and Ray, and using the $2.5 mil exception to bring back KG. 

[thedawg]

I agree with us needing to rebuild now and in order to get something out of next summer´s draft, we need to start trading players for 1st round picks even though it hurts us this season. I think this season is out of reach anyway as we got no chance in hell to compete against Miami or Chicago. I would rather have us in the lottery next summer than going to playoffs via 5th or 6th place team. It makes no sense.

[KCattheStripe]

I agree with us needing to rebuild now and in order to get something out of next summer´s draft, we need to start trading players for 1st round picks even though it hurts us this season. I think this season is out of reach anyway as we got no chance in hell to compete against Miami or Chicago. I would rather have us in the lottery next summer than going to playoffs via 5th or 6th place team. It makes no sense.

You mean like that time we went into the playoffs as the 4th seed and made the NBA Finals.

[TruthPierce2008]

I agree with us needing to rebuild now and in order to get something out of next summer´s draft, we need to start trading players for 1st round picks even though it hurts us this season. I think this season is out of reach anyway as we got no chance in hell to compete against Miami or Chicago. I would rather have us in the lottery next summer than going to playoffs via 5th or 6th place team. It makes no sense.

Dude your crazy dude

[guava_wrench]

The only asset we have to rebuild is Ray Allen and his $10m expiring deal. Pierce and KG probably make too much for what they bring to a team for anyone to be interested unless we take a horrible contract for KG, which is not a good way to rebuild.

We are better off playing though this year and getting the most out of it we can. I'm not sure why so many people are so down on the team when we were a corner 3 away from beating the Knicks in MSG without Pierce and we played a close game against Miami in Miami, also without Pierce.

Rebuilding can easily mean looking like the Wizards for a few years to eventually come out of it as a possible 8 seed. Look at Portland. They seems to do everything right in the draft and when acquiring players, but probably already peaked.

I don't think we should do a desperation max contract to guys who clearly don't deserve one. The is just increasing the chances of long term mediocrity. It could work if we have other pieces like when Orlando overpaid for Lewis, but long term it could be a disaster, also like Lewis.

[Neurotic Guy]

I agree with us needing to rebuild now and in order to get something out of next summer´s draft, we need to start trading players for 1st round picks even though it hurts us this season. I think this season is out of reach anyway as we got no chance in hell to compete against Miami or Chicago. I would rather have us in the lottery next summer than going to playoffs via 5th or 6th place team. It makes no sense.

With good health, to state that we can't compete with Chicago is just premature. Miami does seem to have a talent edge on the rest of the NBA. But one tweaked ankle to LBJ or DWade and we can compete with them too.  It happens.   

In addition, DA still has the capacity to tweak our roster.  DA will decide soon enough whether to go 'all in' on this year or the future.  In the meantime, I'll be hoping the current team pulls together in a way that surprises all of us.

[jay]

what about totally rebuilding.  let kg, ray allen, jermaine oneal all come off the books at the end of the year.

Trade Pierce to Golden State along with Avery Bradley for Stephen Curry and David Lee.

Boston has on the books:

SG: Curry - 2 years
PF/C: Lee - 4 years
PG: Rondo - 3 years
PF: Bass - 1 year
Johnson - 4 years
Moore - 2 years
2 decent draft picks
tons of cap space to go after a big or a small forward.

Golden State would have Monta Ellis, Pierce, and Biedrins all on the books for 2 years. They also have their most recent lottery picks Udoh and Thompson up front.  Throw in Avery Bradley and Dorrell Wright, they would have a solid core group.  It is always suggested that they cant make it far with two smaller guards playing together, maybe this is a way for them to change.

Of course Boston would then have rondo and Curry together.  They are smallish, but I think they way Rondo plays would really mesh nicely with Curry.  

[SHAQATTACK]

rebuilt with what?

[OttawaCeltic]

what about totally rebuilding.  let kg, ray allen, jermaine oneal all come off the books at the end of the year.

Trade Pierce to Golden State along with Avery Bradley for Stephen Curry and David Lee.

Boston has on the books:

SG: Curry - 2 years
PF/C: Lee - 4 years
PG: Rondo - 3 years
PF: Bass - 1 year
Johnson - 4 years
Moore - 2 years
2 decent draft picks
tons of cap space to go after a big or a small forward.

Golden State would have Monta Ellis, Pierce, and Biedrins all on the books for 2 years. They also have their most recent lottery picks Udoh and Thompson up front.  Throw in Avery Bradley and Dorrell Wright, they would have a solid core group.  It is always suggested that they cant make it far with two smaller guards playing together, maybe this is a way for them to change.

Of course Boston would then have rondo and Curry together.  They are smallish, but I think they way Rondo plays would really mesh nicely with Curry.  

Curry? GS would NEVER do that. They are building a great team around their AmAzInG guards with young bigs. Yes, Pierce would be an extremely excellent piece, but Paul isn't on any trading block and Curry is more valuable to them.

[Celtics4ever]

We almost beat both teams without PP.   I am pretty happy with our performances I thought we have more trouble than what we did.   We carved our way back through big leads.   I think when we get Pierce and Pietrus we will be tougher.  There are downsides to be sure, O'Neal has not been that strong nor has Wilcox been worth of that mini mid level thus far.   Sasha and Bradley have stinked up the court.  We have not seen the rooks. Ray Allen and Rondo have played very well.   Bass has played well too.  Add PP and I like our chances even more....

[Tone]

yeah celtics need to rebuild

[jpd985]

It is easier said than done.

[winsomme]

The only rebuild option that makes sense to me at the moment would be a trade of Rondo for Deron Williams.

You could then sign him to a max deal in the off season and try and get KG and Ray to stick around for relatively short money until Pierce is done.

That way you have three more seasons with legit Title shots and a player in Deron that is a little more balanced than Rondo to build a team around going forward after the Big 3 are potentially gone.