Is Tanking in 2012-2013 a legitimate Plan D?

[LooseCannon]

Let's say that Plans A-C are in some order: acquire Chris Paul but not Dwight Howard, acquire Dwight Howard but not Chris Paul, and acquire Chris Paul and Dwight Howard.

It's possible that neither Paul nor Howard end up in green, so what then?  The worst thing to do would be to sign of over-paid non-star starters.

I see at least two other options, assuming the window is "closed". 

1) See if KG and Ray Allen want to come back for one more season on one-year contracts as a bridge towards maintaining a culture of winning while positioning the team to bid on big free agents in 2013.

2) Let KG and Ray go, even if they want to come back and play for small contracts on what might be a likely first- or second-round playoff exit.  Hope that the Celtics get a lottery pick in 2013 who can be matched with Rondo and a max free agent (perhaps after Pierce is gone) to form a new trifecta.  Spend the two seasons after this one developing young role players who fit into a system.  Of course, I wonder how badly a team with Pierce and Rondo can tank.

2a) Get rid of Rondo for whatever you can get and tank with just Pierce as an established player.

[PosImpos]

i'd say tanking 2012-2013 is not just a legitimate plan D, it should be the legitimate plan C or B.

if we don't get CP3, or we do and he leaves after the season, you trade away what current players you can for any picks / projects etc, and you look to rebuild through the draft for the next couple of years.

since the celtics are in boston, there's no sense in trying to rebuild through free agency until we have a superstar with whom to attract big name free agents.  rondo is not going to cut it.

[Smokeeye123]

i'd say tanking 2012-2013 is not just a legitimate plan D, it should be the legitimate plan C or B.

if we don't get CP3, or we do and he leaves after the season, you trade away what current players you can for any picks / projects etc, and you look to rebuild through the draft for the next couple of years.

since the celtics are in boston, there's no sense in trying to rebuild through free agency until we have a superstar with whom to attract big name free agents.  rondo is not going to cut it.

I completely agree...Although, hopefully we can find some good open minded people who don't just want to play with their BFFs and make super ultra teams.

[nickagneta]

Of course its a legit plan. Strip the team to nothing, suck so bad that the C's are guaranteed a top 5 pick for 3 years straight, hope to land a transcendent star in those three years by getting a top pick in a year a bonafide star comes out and build on that trading the young assets and cap space for established stars.

And then, hopefully by about 2016 or 2017 you are a contender again.

[Smokeeye123]

Of course its a legit plan. Strip the team to nothing, suck so bad that the C's are guaranteed a top 5 pick for 3 years straight, hope to land a transcendent star in those three years by getting a top pick in a year a bonafide star comes out and build on that trading the young assets and cap space for established stars.

And then, hopefully by about 2016 or 2017 you are a contender again.

The problem with that is that Doc will be done with his contract at that time...I think Ainge wants rebuilding to be quick, like 2 years.

[PosImpos]

Of course its a legit plan. Strip the team to nothing, suck so bad that the C's are guaranteed a top 5 pick for 3 years straight, hope to land a transcendent star in those three years by getting a top pick in a year a bonafide star comes out and build on that trading the young assets and cap space for established stars.

And then, hopefully by about 2016 or 2017 you are a contender again.

and then, if we're lucky, by 2018 or 2019 when the superstar's rookie deal is up, they won't force us to trade them for 75 cents on the dollar to a bigger stage.

[Jon]

It's an option, but I do worry about developing a culture of losing again.  Right now we have all the success we've had the past few years as momentum going forward.  If Paul could come here, we could contend for another year, and keep it going potentially the year after.  

If we're bad for a long time, would even having a young superstar be enough to entice another star to Boston, given we're not Miami, LA, or some other trendy/warm location?  

Maybe.  

But it worries me.  

If nothing else is an option, that's what we're going to have to do.  

[PosImpos]

Of course its a legit plan. Strip the team to nothing, suck so bad that the C's are guaranteed a top 5 pick for 3 years straight, hope to land a transcendent star in those three years by getting a top pick in a year a bonafide star comes out and build on that trading the young assets and cap space for established stars.

And then, hopefully by about 2016 or 2017 you are a contender again.

The problem with that is that Doc will be done with his contract at that time...I think Ainge wants rebuilding to be quick, like 2 years.

that's why danny is trying to get chris paul and then hopefully sign howard.  that's the only way to get be in contention 2 years from now.

[Smokeeye123]

Of course its a legit plan. Strip the team to nothing, suck so bad that the C's are guaranteed a top 5 pick for 3 years straight, hope to land a transcendent star in those three years by getting a top pick in a year a bonafide star comes out and build on that trading the young assets and cap space for established stars.

And then, hopefully by about 2016 or 2017 you are a contender again.

The problem with that is that Doc will be done with his contract at that time...I think Ainge wants rebuilding to be quick, like 2 years.

that's why danny is trying to get chris paul and then hopefully sign howard.  that's the only way to get be in contention 2 years from now.

Are there any big name Free agents after the 2013 season?

[LooseCannon]

if we don't get CP3, or we do and he leaves after the season, you trade away what current players you can for any picks / projects etc, and you look to rebuild through the draft for the next couple of years.

Do you sell low on Rondo just to clear the decks? (Looking at the free agent point guards in the next few years, he just might not be in that much demand.)  Or do you hang onto him if you can't get good value, even if it hurts your ability to rebuild through the draft because your team is too good to get a top five pick?

The timeline I actually see, if everything works out, is drafting a future star in 2013 and signing a max free agent in the summer of 2014 and adding that to Rondo or someone you traded Rondo for.  The team is rebuilt into a contender in 2014-2015 and has spent a couple of years out of the luxury tax zone so that ownership is less concerned about taking on salary.  (Best-case scenario has the Celtics getting a max free agent and a high lottery pick in the summer of 2013, with fans of other teams whining about how the lottery was rigged for the Celtics.)

[BASS_THUMPER]

lose on purpose?

what would RED think?

 

[PosImpos]

if we don't get CP3, or we do and he leaves after the season, you trade away what current players you can for any picks / projects etc, and you look to rebuild through the draft for the next couple of years.

Do you sell low on Rondo just to clear the decks? (Looking at the free agent point guards in the next few years, he just might not be in that much demand.)  Or do you hang onto him if you can't get good value, even if it hurts your ability to rebuild through the draft because your team is too good to get a top five pick?

The timeline I actually see, if everything works out, is drafting a future star in 2013 and signing a max free agent in the summer of 2014 and adding that to Rondo or someone you traded Rondo for.  The team is rebuilt into a contender in 2014-2015 and has spent a couple of years out of the luxury tax zone so that ownership is less concerned about taking on salary.  (Best-case scenario has the Celtics getting a max free agent and a high lottery pick in the summer of 2013, with fans of other teams whining about how the lottery was rigged for the Celtics.)

after all the shopping danny has done, i wouldn't be surprised if the celtics are forced, sooner or later, to sell on rondo -- high, medium, or low.

[manl_lui]

maybe play good enough to make playoffs, go into the playoffs with healthy bodies.

We have so many back-to-back-to-back games this year and its going to tear the Celtics apart with injuries, so I say they should just tank those games

so come 2012 summer, we have a possible of two 1st round picks between 11-20...

Say we get CP3, and trade those 2 draft picks + players for Dwight, I'm pretty sure having 2 high 1st round picks appeals to anyone

[BASS_THUMPER]

i like to see what im gonna get..

i hate blind dates

[Celtics18]

This is getting absurd.