Clippers, Warriors Preferred Trade Partners For Hornets ( c's get in on it?)

[rondohondo]

The belief that the Hornets will trade Chris Paul before the start of the 11-12 season if he hasn't agreed to an extension is growing, according to sources.

Paul met with GM Dell Demps on Monday and the tone was amicable.

But Paul did not tell Demps that he intends to sign an extension before the beginning of the regular season.

Sources say the Hornets want to avoid a situation similar to what occurred last season with the Nuggets and Carmelo Anthony.

The Clippers, Warriors, Rockets and Hawks have shown the most interest in trading for Paul.

The Clippers and Warriors, sources say, are the Hornets' preferred trade partners, but both teams are hesitant to pursue Paul without a commitment from him to stay with the franchise in the long-term.

Eric Gordon would not be included in any trade scenario for Paul because the Clippers haven't been given any assurances that he would re-sign with the team.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217023/Clippers_Warriors_Appear_To_Be_Hornets_Preferred_Trade_Partners_For_Paul

It also says on the front page on celticsblog that the c's would be willing to trade for Paul without an extension in place( I think it is from this same article)

There is also a small handful of teams that has informed the Hornets they are prepared to trade for Paul with no assurance that they can keep him beyond this season. That list, sources say, includes the Rockets, Boston Celtics and defending champion Dallas Mavericks.

well if those are the two teams the hornets want to trade with and both are unsure if they can resign him, why not get rondo involved in a 3 way trade? He is locked up for the next 4 years so they would know they have an all-star caliber pg in place. Rondo would fit best on LAC I think


Bos sends : rondo , picks and filler(Bradley,BBD?)
Bos gets: Paul

LAC send: Jordan, Bledsoe, Aminu
LAC gets: Rondo filler

NO Sends: Paul
NO Gets: Jordan,Bledsoe,Aminu, clippers 2012 pick(Boston's) and boston's 2012 pick too

[kn 99]

If the clippers don't include Gordan then what player would a potential LA-NO trade be based around because the Clippers won't include Griffin

[PosImpos]

i think there's more potential for a 3 team trade involving GS . . . they ship out Stephen Curry and get Rondo, NO gets Curry, the Celtics get Paul.

i think golden state would have to find somebody willing to trade for monta ellis, though, since rondo and ellis don't make much sense on the same team.

[Who]

Their lack of interest in Rondo is disappointing. Bad sign.

[Greenbean]

Their lack of interest in Rondo is disappointing. Bad sign.

Yeah, I wonder how many GMs in the league would rather have Stephen Curry than Rondo.

Everyone seems to put him in the top 5 conversation...maybe NBA GM's dont have him that high?

[rondohondo]

i think there's more potential for a 3 team trade involving GS . . . they ship out Stephen Curry and get Rondo, NO gets Curry, the Celtics get Paul.

i think golden state would have to find somebody willing to trade for monta ellis, though, since rondo and ellis don't make much sense on the same team.

Ellis for Gay and filler would kind of make sense. I know memphis said they aren't trading Gay , but Ellis would be a good fit there. Plus they have TA and Henry and Young at SF already .

[PosImpos]

i think there's more potential for a 3 team trade involving GS . . . they ship out Stephen Curry and get Rondo, NO gets Curry, the Celtics get Paul.

i think golden state would have to find somebody willing to trade for monta ellis, though, since rondo and ellis don't make much sense on the same team.

Ellis for Gay and filler would kind of make sense. I know memphis said they aren't trading Gay , but Ellis would be a good fit there. Plus they have TA and Henry and Young at SF already .

im not sure i see the motivation for that deal from the grizzlies' perspective, but i have to imagine that the warriors would go for it. 

[PosImpos]

Their lack of interest in Rondo is disappointing. Bad sign.

Yeah, I wonder how many GMs in the league would rather have Stephen Curry than Rondo.

Everyone seems to put him in the top 5 conversation...maybe NBA GM's dont have him that high?

rondo's value is very different for a team on the verge of contending that just needs a guy who can run the offense and create looks for everybody else than it is for a team that's looking to rebuild from the ground up.  

on a team with a lot of offensive weapons in place already, rondo's value is extremely high.  put rondo on a team like that and he can make everybody around him better and propel the team up through the ranks.  

a rebuilding team, however, is much more likely to value a player who can carry a large offensive load individually.  a rebuilding team with rondo as its only all-star caliber player, that expected rondo to be one of the top 3 options on offense, would have a rather bleak future unless they got really lucky in the draft and landed the next kevin durant.


that, by the way, is precisely the reason danny is looking to trade rondo.

[BballTim]

Their lack of interest in Rondo is disappointing. Bad sign.

Yeah, I wonder how many GMs in the league would rather have Stephen Curry than Rondo.

Everyone seems to put him in the top 5 conversation...maybe NBA GM's dont have him that high?

rondo's value is very different for a team on the verge of contending that just needs a guy who can run the offense and create looks for everybody else than it is for a team that's looking to rebuild from the ground up.  

on a team with a lot of offensive weapons in place already, rondo's value is extremely high.  put rondo on a team like that and he can make everybody around him better and propel the team up through the ranks.  

a rebuilding team, however, is much more likely to value a player who can carry a large offensive load individually.  a rebuilding team with rondo as its only all-star caliber player, that expected rondo to be one of the top 3 options on offense, would have a rather bleak future unless they got really lucky in the draft and landed the next kevin durant.


that, by the way, is precisely the reason danny is looking to trade rondo.

  So Ainge's master plan is to trade Rondo for a better scoring pg and go into full rebuilding mode? All the talk about preserving cap space to try and land another star is some kind of charade?

[dtrader]

Their lack of interest in Rondo is disappointing. Bad sign.

Yeah, I wonder how many GMs in the league would rather have Stephen Curry than Rondo.

Everyone seems to put him in the top 5 conversation...maybe NBA GM's dont have him that high?

rondo's value is very different for a team on the verge of contending that just needs a guy who can run the offense and create looks for everybody else than it is for a team that's looking to rebuild from the ground up.  

on a team with a lot of offensive weapons in place already, rondo's value is extremely high.  put rondo on a team like that and he can make everybody around him better and propel the team up through the ranks.  

a rebuilding team, however, is much more likely to value a player who can carry a large offensive load individually.  a rebuilding team with rondo as its only all-star caliber player, that expected rondo to be one of the top 3 options on offense, would have a rather bleak future unless they got really lucky in the draft and landed the next kevin durant.


that, by the way, is precisely the reason danny is looking to trade rondo.

  So Ainge's master plan is to trade Rondo for a better scoring pg and go into full rebuilding mode? All the talk about preserving cap space to try and land another star is some kind of charade?

It's not a charade. I dont see what one thing has to do with the other though.  The cap space has to do with replacing lost production due to the big 3 aging and/or leaving.  The better scoring PG is about bringing in someone who could have success with a wider range of players who may or not come in the future. 

Rondo may be the best PG for the team as it was constructed 2 years ago (and maybe last year), but a better scoring PG may be more suited to the players that come as a result of that cap space.  There's no guarantee that our PG will have 3 scorers like kg, ray, and PP surrounding him in the future.  With a scoring PG, we can still have success with that.  With Rondo it would likely be more difficult. 

I suspect thats what other GMs are thinking as well.  Rondo is a top 5 PG IN HIS CURRENT SYSTEM, but he's the type of specialized player that may be exposed and exploited outside of that system.  If you have a player whose skill set includes creating his own shot (especially in isolation), than his success is much more likely to carry over to his next team.

[PosImpos]

Their lack of interest in Rondo is disappointing. Bad sign.

Yeah, I wonder how many GMs in the league would rather have Stephen Curry than Rondo.

Everyone seems to put him in the top 5 conversation...maybe NBA GM's dont have him that high?

rondo's value is very different for a team on the verge of contending that just needs a guy who can run the offense and create looks for everybody else than it is for a team that's looking to rebuild from the ground up.  

on a team with a lot of offensive weapons in place already, rondo's value is extremely high.  put rondo on a team like that and he can make everybody around him better and propel the team up through the ranks.  

a rebuilding team, however, is much more likely to value a player who can carry a large offensive load individually.  a rebuilding team with rondo as its only all-star caliber player, that expected rondo to be one of the top 3 options on offense, would have a rather bleak future unless they got really lucky in the draft and landed the next kevin durant.


that, by the way, is precisely the reason danny is looking to trade rondo.

  So Ainge's master plan is to trade Rondo for a better scoring pg and go into full rebuilding mode? All the talk about preserving cap space to try and land another star is some kind of charade?

his master plan is to trade for chris paul and have one last shot at a title with chris paul in what is likely to be the last year of his current deal.


after that, if cp3 resigns with us, we will have the cap space to put pieces around him -- perhaps even the long shot, dwight howard.  if cp3 bolts, we go right into rebuilding mode and instead of maintaining mediocrity for a few years with rondo, we go straight to rock bottom.

makes a heck of a lot of sense to me.


this plan, by the way, also allows for the celtics to get a really close look at chris paul's knee and see first hand how it holds up over the course of a season.  they won't be required to hold onto him for any longer than next season if the worst case scenario comes to pass and chris paul's knee holds him back from ever again playing consistently at a superstar level.  in that sense, not immediately signing him to an extension is actually a good thing.

[BballTim]

Their lack of interest in Rondo is disappointing. Bad sign.

Yeah, I wonder how many GMs in the league would rather have Stephen Curry than Rondo.

Everyone seems to put him in the top 5 conversation...maybe NBA GM's dont have him that high?

rondo's value is very different for a team on the verge of contending that just needs a guy who can run the offense and create looks for everybody else than it is for a team that's looking to rebuild from the ground up.  

on a team with a lot of offensive weapons in place already, rondo's value is extremely high.  put rondo on a team like that and he can make everybody around him better and propel the team up through the ranks.  

a rebuilding team, however, is much more likely to value a player who can carry a large offensive load individually.  a rebuilding team with rondo as its only all-star caliber player, that expected rondo to be one of the top 3 options on offense, would have a rather bleak future unless they got really lucky in the draft and landed the next kevin durant.


that, by the way, is precisely the reason danny is looking to trade rondo.

  So Ainge's master plan is to trade Rondo for a better scoring pg and go into full rebuilding mode? All the talk about preserving cap space to try and land another star is some kind of charade?

his master plan is to trade for chris paul and have one last shot at a title with chris paul in what is likely to be the last year of his current deal.


after that, if cp3 resigns with us, we will have the cap space to put pieces around him -- perhaps even the long shot, dwight howard.  if cp3 bolts, we go right into rebuilding mode and instead of maintaining mediocrity for a few years with rondo, we go straight to rock bottom.

makes a heck of a lot of sense to me.

 In 2006-2007 almost everybody here knew that Danny's master plan was to let Theo play out his contract and come off the books. If you have something like a link to Danny saying this was his plan that would be great, or maybe he told you in person, otherwise this isn't Danny's master plan, it's your idle speculation based on a few rumors.

[PosImpos]

Their lack of interest in Rondo is disappointing. Bad sign.

Yeah, I wonder how many GMs in the league would rather have Stephen Curry than Rondo.

Everyone seems to put him in the top 5 conversation...maybe NBA GM's dont have him that high?

rondo's value is very different for a team on the verge of contending that just needs a guy who can run the offense and create looks for everybody else than it is for a team that's looking to rebuild from the ground up.  

on a team with a lot of offensive weapons in place already, rondo's value is extremely high.  put rondo on a team like that and he can make everybody around him better and propel the team up through the ranks.  

a rebuilding team, however, is much more likely to value a player who can carry a large offensive load individually.  a rebuilding team with rondo as its only all-star caliber player, that expected rondo to be one of the top 3 options on offense, would have a rather bleak future unless they got really lucky in the draft and landed the next kevin durant.


that, by the way, is precisely the reason danny is looking to trade rondo.

  So Ainge's master plan is to trade Rondo for a better scoring pg and go into full rebuilding mode? All the talk about preserving cap space to try and land another star is some kind of charade?

his master plan is to trade for chris paul and have one last shot at a title with chris paul in what is likely to be the last year of his current deal.


after that, if cp3 resigns with us, we will have the cap space to put pieces around him -- perhaps even the long shot, dwight howard.  if cp3 bolts, we go right into rebuilding mode and instead of maintaining mediocrity for a few years with rondo, we go straight to rock bottom.

makes a heck of a lot of sense to me.

 In 2006-2007 almost everybody here knew that Danny's master plan was to let Theo play out his contract and come off the books. If you have something like a link to Danny saying this was his plan that would be great, or maybe he told you in person, otherwise this isn't Danny's master plan, it's your idle speculation based on a few rumors.

woo!  you got me!  i don't actually know his master plan.


that, in my opinion, is simply the most reasonable inference -- label it idle speculation if you want -- one can make from danny's [alleged] efforts to trade rondo for chris paul.

of course you are free to make of it what you will.

[BballTim]

Their lack of interest in Rondo is disappointing. Bad sign.

Yeah, I wonder how many GMs in the league would rather have Stephen Curry than Rondo.

Everyone seems to put him in the top 5 conversation...maybe NBA GM's dont have him that high?

rondo's value is very different for a team on the verge of contending that just needs a guy who can run the offense and create looks for everybody else than it is for a team that's looking to rebuild from the ground up.  

on a team with a lot of offensive weapons in place already, rondo's value is extremely high.  put rondo on a team like that and he can make everybody around him better and propel the team up through the ranks.  

a rebuilding team, however, is much more likely to value a player who can carry a large offensive load individually.  a rebuilding team with rondo as its only all-star caliber player, that expected rondo to be one of the top 3 options on offense, would have a rather bleak future unless they got really lucky in the draft and landed the next kevin durant.


that, by the way, is precisely the reason danny is looking to trade rondo.

  So Ainge's master plan is to trade Rondo for a better scoring pg and go into full rebuilding mode? All the talk about preserving cap space to try and land another star is some kind of charade?

his master plan is to trade for chris paul and have one last shot at a title with chris paul in what is likely to be the last year of his current deal.


after that, if cp3 resigns with us, we will have the cap space to put pieces around him -- perhaps even the long shot, dwight howard.  if cp3 bolts, we go right into rebuilding mode and instead of maintaining mediocrity for a few years with rondo, we go straight to rock bottom.

makes a heck of a lot of sense to me.

 In 2006-2007 almost everybody here knew that Danny's master plan was to let Theo play out his contract and come off the books. If you have something like a link to Danny saying this was his plan that would be great, or maybe he told you in person, otherwise this isn't Danny's master plan, it's your idle speculation based on a few rumors.

woo!  you got me!  i don't actually know his master plan.


that, in my opinion, is simply the most reasonable inference -- label it idle speculation if you want -- one can make from danny's [alleged] efforts to trade rondo for chris paul.

of course you are free to make of it what you will.

  No, you're right. Danny's clearly trying to trade Rondo for Paul so we can go into full rebuilding mode with CP3 as the only all-star on the team, assuming Chris doesn't bolt at the end of the year. That's the only plan Danny could have going forward that fits with rumors that he looked into acquiring Paul. I guess we're lucky neither of the Ray Allen trades worked out in 2009, or else instead of CP3 we'd be rebuilding around Kevin Martin or Antawn Jamison.

[PosImpos]

Their lack of interest in Rondo is disappointing. Bad sign.

Yeah, I wonder how many GMs in the league would rather have Stephen Curry than Rondo.

Everyone seems to put him in the top 5 conversation...maybe NBA GM's dont have him that high?

rondo's value is very different for a team on the verge of contending that just needs a guy who can run the offense and create looks for everybody else than it is for a team that's looking to rebuild from the ground up. 

on a team with a lot of offensive weapons in place already, rondo's value is extremely high.  put rondo on a team like that and he can make everybody around him better and propel the team up through the ranks. 

a rebuilding team, however, is much more likely to value a player who can carry a large offensive load individually.  a rebuilding team with rondo as its only all-star caliber player, that expected rondo to be one of the top 3 options on offense, would have a rather bleak future unless they got really lucky in the draft and landed the next kevin durant.


that, by the way, is precisely the reason danny is looking to trade rondo.

  So Ainge's master plan is to trade Rondo for a better scoring pg and go into full rebuilding mode? All the talk about preserving cap space to try and land another star is some kind of charade?

his master plan is to trade for chris paul and have one last shot at a title with chris paul in what is likely to be the last year of his current deal.


after that, if cp3 resigns with us, we will have the cap space to put pieces around him -- perhaps even the long shot, dwight howard.  if cp3 bolts, we go right into rebuilding mode and instead of maintaining mediocrity for a few years with rondo, we go straight to rock bottom.

makes a heck of a lot of sense to me.

 In 2006-2007 almost everybody here knew that Danny's master plan was to let Theo play out his contract and come off the books. If you have something like a link to Danny saying this was his plan that would be great, or maybe he told you in person, otherwise this isn't Danny's master plan, it's your idle speculation based on a few rumors.

woo!  you got me!  i don't actually know his master plan.


that, in my opinion, is simply the most reasonable inference -- label it idle speculation if you want -- one can make from danny's [alleged] efforts to trade rondo for chris paul.

of course you are free to make of it what you will.

  No, you're right. Danny's clearly trying to trade Rondo for Paul so we can go into full rebuilding mode with CP3 as the only all-star on the team, assuming Chris doesn't bolt at the end of the year. That's the only plan Danny could have going forward that fits with rumors that he looked into acquiring Paul. I guess we're lucky neither of the Ray Allen trades worked out in 2009, or else instead of CP3 we'd be rebuilding around Kevin Martin or Antawn Jamison.

tim, you love putting words in my mouth.

when did i say that danny is trying to trade rondo for paul so we can rebuild with cp3 as the only all-star on the team?  when i said "put pieces around him, perhaps even the long shot, dwight howard," did you assume i meant danny would go out to the dollar store and pick up some bobble-heads?

of course the idea if we got paul would be to put as much talent around him as we could as soon as possible.  dwight howard, though, would not be guaranteed even if we got paul. that doesn't mean we couldn't build a contender around him within a season or two with the right moves, though.