I think Celtics should sign AI, would be a great [backup] for Rondo

[Roy H.]

I know, we have a veteran team, true, but it is also true that we need a replacement for Rondo
 

Ummmmmm.....

What?!?!?!?!

We need a replacement for Rondo?

Sure if his name is Chris Paul or Deron Williams, otherwise, no, we do not need a replacement for Rondo.

Based upon context, I think he meant backup, rather than replacement.

[coco]

AI is pure poison.

I don't want him.  Not even for free. 

[nickagneta]

I know, we have a veteran team, true, but it is also true that we need a replacement for Rondo
 

Ummmmmm.....

What?!?!?!?!

We need a replacement for Rondo?

Sure if his name is Chris Paul or Deron Williams, otherwise, no, we do not need a replacement for Rondo.

Based upon context, I think he meant backup, rather than replacement.

Are you sure? I didn't get that especially when talking about "No Chris Paul, no Rose....."

[Roy H.]

I know, we have a veteran team, true, but it is also true that we need a replacement for Rondo
 

Ummmmmm.....

What?!?!?!?!

We need a replacement for Rondo?

Sure if his name is Chris Paul or Deron Williams, otherwise, no, we do not need a replacement for Rondo.

Based upon context, I think he meant backup, rather than replacement.

Are you sure? I didn't get that especially when talking about "No Chris Paul, no Rose....."

I think that's in the context of dribbling / crossover skills.  The key line:

I know, we have a veteran team, true, but it is also true that we need a replacement for Rondo, Bradley is not, Delonte is a 2, AI can play as a point / shooting guard.

He's talking about AI in the context of Bradley and Delonte.  I don't think he's proposing making AI our starting point guard, but rather a combo guard off the bench.

[greenhead85]

I've discussed this before.  I think he's worth a shot on a non-guaranteed or even a minimum deal. 

Why?

1) He's hit rock bottom.  There should be no more delusions on his part that he's a star anymore.  And if they were ever to pop up, KG and Co. are there to crush them.  And unlike his last two stops, he's not coming off the bench behind unproven young players, he's behind first ballot Hall of Famer Ray Allen and All Star Rajon Rondo. 

2) He doesn't have to change his game.  Ideally, he would change his game.  But even if he wants to pretend it's 2001, that could still be valuable with the second unit in `10-15 mpg.  On a team that needs bench scoring, we saw (at times) how Nate taking charge with the second unit in years past could be valuable.  AI could play a similar role of instant offense.  And other teams like the Hawks (with Jamal Crawford) and the Nuggets (with J.R. Smith) have been successful with this strategy. 

3) We need something to make us better than last year and we don't have a lot of resources to make it happen.  Even if there's only a 1% chance that AI works out (and I'm under no delusions that the chances are any better than 1%), it's a risk I'd take.   

Agree.

He could also teach Rondo how to shoot and always be an offense option when everyone else is not making their shots. He still could create his shot.

[nickagneta]

I know, we have a veteran team, true, but it is also true that we need a replacement for Rondo
 

Ummmmmm.....

What?!?!?!?!

We need a replacement for Rondo?

Sure if his name is Chris Paul or Deron Williams, otherwise, no, we do not need a replacement for Rondo.

Based upon context, I think he meant backup, rather than replacement.

Are you sure? I didn't get that especially when talking about "No Chris Paul, no Rose....."

I think that's in the context of dribbling / crossover skills.  The key line:

I know, we have a veteran team, true, but it is also true that we need a replacement for Rondo, Bradley is not, Delonte is a 2, AI can play as a point / shooting guard.

He's talking about AI in the context of Bradley and Delonte.  I don't think he's proposing making AI our starting point guard, but rather a combo guard off the bench.

I guess, but if so, then he is misinformed because West is not a 2 but has always been a combo guard. And, depending on how you interpret the stats at 82games.com, could be said to play better at PG than he does at SG based on PER and PER against stats.

[Celtics4ever]

Agree.

He could also teach Rondo how to shoot and always be an offense option when everyone else is not making their shots. He still could create his shot.

LOL

You are aware he shot 41.7 FG% his last go in the NBA?  41.4% for his career.   Rondo is a career .486% FG. 

Iverson could teach him how to blow up the locker room better and blow off practice perhaps but shoot, no.   He lacks speed these days and is 36.  He did not even play in the top of the Turkish Pro League but their ABA.  A league minimum try out perhaps would work but I don't think he could beat out Bradley as he is pretty washed up.

[greenhead85]

Agree.

He could also teach Rondo how to shoot and always be an offense option when everyone else is not making their shots. He still could create his shot.

LOL

You are aware he shot 41.7 FG% his last go in the NBA?  41.4% for his career.   Rondo is a career .486% FG. 

Iverson could teach him how to blow up the locker room better and blow off practice perhaps but shoot, no.   He lacks speed these days and is 36.  He did not even play in the top of the Turkish Pro League but their ABA.  A league minimum try out perhaps would work but I don't think he could beat out Bradley as he is pretty washed up.

I do not even need to look for FG stats between the 2 because AI was a volume shooter. Rondo's were mostly lay ups and were few. AI can hit anywhere and I mean anywhere which Rondo cannot. On a side note, AI almost singlehandedly beat all the teams in 2001. His shooting mechanics is what I was mentioning because that is the right way to shoot the ball. And,the personalities in the locker room (KG, PP, Doc) are guys he won't dare blow up because they are proven guys and future HOFs.

[Celtics4ever]

I do not even need to look for FG stats between the 2 because AI was a volume shooter. Rondo's were mostly lay ups and were few. AI can hit anywhere and I mean anywhere which Rondo cannot. On a side note, AI almost singlehandedly beat all the teams in 2001. His shooting mechanics is what I was mentioning because that is the right way to shoot the ball. And,the personalities in the locker room (KG, PP, Doc) are guys he won't dare blow up because they are proven guys and future HOFs.

Get real he was never a good shooter.  He is a scorer not a shooter.  He hits anywhere 4 out of 10.  That rocks in baseball  but not in basketball.  Larry is a guy who could hit anywhere and he shot 50% out.   His shooting mechanics are ok but not as good as you claim.  Good shooters shoot better than .41%.

This is good shooting form

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPWtdEDUS80

not this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72vF0w3wCfU&feature=related

Kicking out that front leg is not good form.  Yet he does it all the time.

Say no to players on geritol.  The raiding the nursing home hasn't done anything for us last year.   It worked when we got PJ but he was still a big.  AI isn't quick anymore.  Put aside your worship and name one 36+ year old who was a game changer?  No one in league wanted him last year that speaks volumes.

People could do a lot of things when their young but can he now is the question.  He was not even playing in the top turkish league and he averaged only 14 PPG.

[greenhead85]

Get real he was never a good shooter.  He is a scorer not a shooter.  He hits anywhere 4 out of 10.  That rocks in baseball  but not in basketball.  Larry is a guy who could hit anywhere and he shot 50% out.   His shooting mechanics are ok but not as good as you claim.  Good shooters shoot better than .41%.


Kicking out that front leg is not good form.  Yet he does it all the time.

Say no to players on geritol.  The raiding the nursing home hasn't done anything for us last year.   It worked when we got PJ but he was still a big.  AI isn't quick anymore.  Put aside your worship and name one 36+ year old who was a game changer?  No one in league wanted him last year that speaks volumes.

People could do a lot of things when their young but can he now is the question.  He was not even playing in the top turkish league and he averaged only 14 PPG.

The OP was suggesting a back up for Rondo. I believe AI could fit that role because he has now accepted the reality that he wont be a starter which he demanded most from previous teams after his stint in Philadelphia.

Ray's shot is good in form. It's textbook as most said it but a very good jump shot is one where the shooting hand is aligned with the foot/leg (right hand aligned with right foot/leg). This would allow a shooter to have a better control of the ball and give a leverage and needed arching of the ball. This is exactly how Bird, Kobe, Reggie Miller, Jordan, Wade, Dirk and many more shooters make their shots. They can even change that shot while still on air. Ray and Dale Ellis' shooting forms were almost similar in that they make jump shots with their feet squared - a set shot - which is good when making clear open shots but not one that can be best employed when a defender is always near. Remember the game-winning shots of Kobe these past years and the game-winner of Jordan launched over Craig Ehlo more than a decade ago? Shooting hand was always aligned with the foot/leg.

[Liam W]

Iverson would be perfect here in Boston. Now before you start to think "is this fool crazy" let me explain

Think about it. He will have KG, Ray Allen + Paul Pierce around him to keep him in check. Also the main factor is Doc Rivers. He pretty much commands respect from pretty much everyone and he will have no problem with Iverson. I think the reason Iverson wants to come to Boston
(agent confirmed this) is because of all the great players he will have around him.

He would be super imapct sub IMO. Scoring and getting up and down the floor

His agent said last month that Iverson would like to come to Boston. If true, and I know Ainge has a soft spot for AI then im all for it!

[nickagneta]

Iverson would be perfect here in Boston. Now before you start to think "is this fool crazy" let me explain

Think about it. He will have KG, Ray Allen + Paul Pierce around him to keep him in check. Also the main factor is Doc Rivers. He pretty much commands respect from pretty much everyone and he will have no problem with Iverson. I think the reason Iverson wants to come to Boston
(agent confirmed this) is because of all the great players he will have around him.

He would be super imapct sub IMO. Scoring and getting up and down the floor

His agent said last month that Iverson would like to come to Boston. If true, and I know Ainge has a soft spot for AI then im all for it!

Shouldn't Larry Brown and George Karl have commanded respect? Shouldn't former champs like Rip Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince have been able to get him to stay in check?

Sorry. You are completely wrong. You are probably just another one of these guys that wore an AI Sixers jersey as a younger man or kid, worshiping Iverson's, f..u.. attitude to authority and loving his all about me gangsta persona and think the man is the same now that he was then with his talent thinking his attitude has matured.

But the opposite is true. His ability has matured and aged and gone away but his attitude is still the same. nothing you can bring to the table in actual proof from the media or other documented stories will show otherwise.

All you and other Iverson lovers have is your own dream that since you grew up and mature that maybe he did too. Thing is he was already grown up when he was acting like the gangsta with an attitude ten years ago. His attitude won't have changed but his game will have and those that support him unconditionally just can not get a grasp on this concept.

[LeoMoreno]

Sorry if you find my post utterly annoying and dull as it isn't off the subject.
First, I laughed after hearing Iverson's statement because it was obvious that there are gonna be rumors about signing him. But now that I think of it, it's not so bad at all. We never had a proper 1 that wasn't Delonte, who was kind of born for 2 (from my point of view, he just fits better on the SG position), excellent shooter, great defender - yes and no, versatile guy... Kind of simple solution of second team duo for scoring points. Add Quissy there and we got ourselves a really, really good second team. If Jermaine isn't our first center (GOD I HOPE NOT)... You see where I'm going with this?

[BASS_THUMPER]

ivesron could mentor rondo.
help rondo step his game up

[CelticsFanNC]

ivesron could mentor rondo.
help rondo step his game up

  See I think Rondo could mentor Iverson on how to pass the rock once in awhile and maybe play a little defense.  Oh wait scratch that better men the Rondo have tried and failed.

  What these Celtics do not need is a PG who dominates the basketball.  That wont work with a team that relies on ball movement because Iverson is a ball hog.  I hated Cassel when he was a Celtic because he'd dribble the ball up the court, never look at anyone else and then jack up a bad shot.  Iverson is Cassell x10.

  People who think Iverson has or will change who he is and how he has always played are delusional.