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Can C's win with only bringing guys back?
« on: December 03, 2011, 08:53:09 AM »

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As pointed out by mmmmm, with such a short training camp, experience in the system will be a plus.  Here's the guys who are either under their control, or played on the team last year:
1 - Rondo, Arroyo, Avery
2 - Ray, Delonte, Wafer, Moore
3 - Paul, Marquis, Sasha
4 - KG, Green, Jajuan
5 - JO, Murphy

It's actually not a bad roster, but as usual there's not enough depth at the 4/5.  To me, the key would be Troy Murphy.  If he could legitimately back up Jermaine (who would need to stay healthy) then this is a team that could compete, but would exit the playoffs before the ECF, most likely.


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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2011, 09:02:30 AM »

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Probably not.

Too light on defense/rebounding up front. Might have enough offense but it's very tight (especially without a stronger defensive + rebounding backbone).

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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2011, 09:27:52 AM »

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As pointed out by mmmmm, with such a short training camp, experience in the system will be a plus.  Here's the guys who are either under their control, or played on the team last year:
1 - Rondo, Arroyo, Avery
2 - Ray, Delonte, Wafer, Moore
3 - Paul, Marquis, Sasha
4 - KG, Green, Jajuan
5 - JO, Murphy

It's actually not a bad roster, but as usual there's not enough depth at the 4/5.  To me, the key would be Troy Murphy.  If he could legitimately back up Jermaine (who would need to stay healthy) then this is a team that could compete, but would exit the playoffs before the ECF, most likely.



 You left Baby off of that list. That adds a lot of depth to the 4/5, probably 25-30 minutes a game. That team could easily contend.

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« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2011, 09:33:01 AM »

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As pointed out by mmmmm, with such a short training camp, experience in the system will be a plus.  Here's the guys who are either under their control, or played on the team last year:
1 - Rondo, Arroyo, Avery
2 - Ray, Delonte, Wafer, Moore
3 - Paul, Marquis, Sasha
4 - KG, Green, Jajuan
5 - JO, Murphy

It's actually not a bad roster, but as usual there's not enough depth at the 4/5.  To me, the key would be Troy Murphy.  If he could legitimately back up Jermaine (who would need to stay healthy) then this is a team that could compete, but would exit the playoffs before the ECF, most likely.



 You left Baby off of that list. That adds a lot of depth to the 4/5, probably 25-30 minutes a game. That team could easily contend.

That is close to the team that came out of the gates on fire last season.  Please, please Danny...a little magic to bring in another Center!
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Re: Can C's win with only bringing guys back?
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2011, 09:34:35 AM »

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Oh yeah, Baby.  How quickly we forget.   >:(

Re: Can C's win with only bringing guys back?
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2011, 09:41:21 AM »

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Another 5 is needed in case JO goes down. I'm fine with a 4 backing him up but you cant really get away with starting a 4 on a real 5. Maybe they move KG to the 5 if JO is out and start Green at the 4 but I'm not so sure that's a great solution.

Also, like last season the lack of rebounding will be an issue. I would also like to see a little more scoring off the bench. Maybe Green will be that but I think another scorer is needed to be a legit contender. I mean those guys can score but they aren't really scorers. I would like to see someone that can get hot and carry the bench on occasion.

Still looks like a pretty good team though. I would like to add Chuck Hayes for rebounding and defense. Then I'm still not sure about who I would choose for a scorer. It would have to be someone that really outperforms his min contract. Maybe Przybilla or however you spell his name could at least fill in at the 5 on occasion since he's at least a big body.

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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2011, 09:45:15 AM »

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Oh yeah, Baby.  How quickly we forget.   >:(

I wouldn't include him just cause I think it's unlikely he'll sign with the C's. The only thing is he's not attracting much interest from other teams so he may be available on the cheap. If that's the case and they cant sign and trade him then he'll be back but it doesn't seem like the C's want him.

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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2011, 09:54:41 AM »

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Oh yeah, Baby.  How quickly we forget.   >:(

I wouldn't include him just cause I think it's unlikely he'll sign with the C's. The only thing is he's not attracting much interest from other teams so he may be available on the cheap. If that's the case and they cant sign and trade him then he'll be back but it doesn't seem like the C's want him.

  I think that if they don't sign him, they'll want to try and use him in a sign and trade so we'd still end up with another player. I'd say that up until Jan or so when Baby was playing great he was sure to leave, but it's likely that his slump hurt his value. If he doesn't get any offers then he might sign a short term deal with the Celts. They might overpay him a little for a short deal so they'll still preserve their cap space going forward.

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No, not in my opinion.  Keeping our team more or less as it was at the end of last season fails to address our lack of inside scoring and our rebounding issues, not to mention the lack of a legitimate #1 scoring threat.
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I am hopeful that Jeff Green has had a little fire built under him, and will be more comfortable in his role this year, and also that JuJuan, being a four year college player, will find a way to earn Productive playing time.  Last year we were hobbled at the center position at the beginning of the year, also.  JO hadn't had his surgery yet, Perk couldn't play and Shaq was brilliant ( ;) ) when he played, but could only play limited minutes.  JO should be better this year, but Semih (our surprise,  though injured, backup) won't  be here.

Center, Center, backup Center, please. 

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Nearly impossible to win a championship with 6 dudes on the roster.   ;D

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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2011, 11:46:07 AM »

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Would have to see the Big 3 for a few weeks to see what age and the summer has done to them.

And the latest on Nenad? Thought I saw a report stating that he had an out in his overseas contract. He's doing well over there, though.

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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2011, 11:47:08 AM »

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The answer is no.

We need to upgrade and bring in healthy guys...not older guys who may or may not make it through the season.

This is why we need to get the most out of Jeff Green and Big Baby.

We can't depend on the Troy Murphys or Jermaine O'Neils.