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Re: Rajon Rondo is my guy.
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2011, 09:42:44 PM »

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First, I think that Paul is likely a more complete player than Rondo.  But even if we were to assume that Rondo and Paul were equals or even if Rondo had a slight edge, Paul offers something that Rondo likely doesn't, the ability to draw other stars here. 

Even if Rondo has an amazing season, there will likely be doubts in people's minds about whether this was Rondo's doing or the result of playing with the Big Three.  Even if that's unwarranted, it still will exist.

With Paul, you get at an elite point guard, a guy who teams can't cheat off of to guard the Big Three, and a guy who can recruit Howard. 

As much as I love Rondo, those reasons are why if the opportunity presents itself, Ainge should trade him for Paul. 

I think the idea that other big stars are going to be tripping over themselves to play with Chris Paul, but not come here and play with Rondo, is a mythology that somehow has been accepted as fact around this blog.

I've pointed this out in other threads, but, the reality is that Rajon Rondo is signed at a considerably cheaper price tag than Paul would come with.  This fact would be more advantageous to building our team around him when we have cap space the following off-season than some vague notion that all superstars want to play with Chris Paul.

Not only that, but if Paul came over without an extension, the distraction that would follow this team throughout the season about where he was going and who he was going there with after this year would be interminably unbearable.  It also could serve as a pretty significant disruptor to team chemistry.
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Re: Rajon Rondo is my guy.
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2011, 09:48:59 PM »

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Really guys?  I love Rondo and would love to see him be a career Celtic.  However, do you really think it's a mythology on this board that players would be tripping themselves to play with Paul and not Rondo?  Or do you think it's rather your green tinted glasses that are telling you otherwise?  

Listen, I'm as big of a homer as anyone on this board and would love to be wrong and see Rondo blow up.  But it's really a pretty big stretch to say that Rondo and Paul are even equals given the talent Rondo has played with over his career here.  Like I said, even if we put on our greenest tinted glasses and go with it, no one else is going to think that, including other players.  

Boston is already at a disadvantage given its climate and perceived history of racism (despite having the first black coach and first all-black starting give).  Getting someone like Paul puts on the map.  

Could Howard come here to play with Rondo?  Sure.  But by sticking with him over Paul (assuming we get such a choice), you're taking what's already a very remote chance of landing Howard and making it even remoter.  

And as a side note, I'm hoping you guys are right.  I really don't think we're getting Paul and that Rondo is going to be here for the long term.  However, I think you have to take the chance on Paul if given the opportunity. 

Re: Rajon Rondo is my guy.
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2011, 09:55:53 PM »

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YEAH!

He is my man too!

Look the bottom line is, is that Rondo is our future! his passing skills and vision are second to none. all this garbage about "well if he didnt have the big 3 he wouldnt be ballin"

Rubbish.

He has come along way since he came into the league. ive watched exsesive footage of him, and He is defo our main man

He is what a Point Guard represents. passing + vision. so what if he doesnt score the ball, He can get to the rim with ease, so lay off him on that front

As Chris Webber would say.... RONDOOOOOOOOOOO!

Haha im backing Rondo to stay with us for many more years!

Re: Rajon Rondo is my guy.
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2011, 10:32:42 PM »

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Really guys?  I love Rondo and would love to see him be a career Celtic.  However, do you really think it's a mythology on this board that players would be tripping themselves to play with Paul and not Rondo?  Or do you think it's rather your green tinted glasses that are telling you otherwise?  

Listen, I'm as big of a homer as anyone on this board and would love to be wrong and see Rondo blow up.  But it's really a pretty big stretch to say that Rondo and Paul are even equals given the talent Rondo has played with over his career here.  Like I said, even if we put on our greenest tinted glasses and go with it, no one else is going to think that, including other players.  

Boston is already at a disadvantage given its climate and perceived history of racism (despite having the first black coach and first all-black starting give).  Getting someone like Paul puts on the map.  

Could Howard come here to play with Rondo?  Sure.  But by sticking with him over Paul (assuming we get such a choice), you're taking what's already a very remote chance of landing Howard and making it even remoter.  

And as a side note, I'm hoping you guys are right.  I really don't think we're getting Paul and that Rondo is going to be here for the long term.  However, I think you have to take the chance on Paul if given the opportunity. 

 

Here are some counterarguments:

You say that Boston is cold and is perceived to be racist.  Those things may be true (living in New England, I know that at least one of those things is true, but I like the weather and I can't even afford to have someone shovel my driveway or have someone drive me around when it's really nasty), but the Boston Celtics also has the legacy of being one of the most storied franchises in sports history.  Thanks to the recent crew of Celtics, this legacy is back in the limelight, and not just represented on grainy old footage of guys playing in short shorts before any of the current superstars where born.

We've had championship teams in the past decade, not just with our basketball team, but in all four major American sports.  I think this could be a factor, too.  There's a larger community of sports success.  Boston is a town for winners.

We have a point guard who is known for being a pass first player.  If I was an NBA superstar and knew that I had a chance to play with a guy who would look to get me the ball before scoring himself, I might consider that pretty attractive.  If I also knew that this point guard was a winner who has already won a title and knows what that's like and what it takes that may influence my decision, as well.

In addition, he knows how to be a winner and a leader while at the same time showing that he has the ability to sublimate himself to other older and more established superstars.  The same can't be said for Chris Paul.

We have a coach who I think is highly admired and respected by players around the league.  He's an ex-player who is known as a player's coach.

We, of course, also still would have Paul Pierce for at least two more seasons which everybody seems to forget when talking about the long-term and immediate future of the Boston Celtics.

Finally, if we keep Rondo instead of trading him for an upwards of twenty million dollar a year point guard, that gives us an added 8 to 9 million dollars to spend on building the rest of the pieces to make a contender around Rondo and, say, a Dwight Howard. Really, I think this could be the biggest deciding factor, and that it is way overlooked.  I don't care that Rondo's cheaper because I'm dying to save Wyc and company a few bucks.  Rather, I care because I think his price tag gives us a better opportunity to build the pieces around him.  I think another high quality NBA player may recognize this, even if the majority of the fans don't.

So, yes, I say it is mythology that any and all NBA superstars would only come to Boston if Chris Paul was the point guard and wouldn't even consider it if Rajon Rondo was the point guard.   
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Re: Rajon Rondo is my guy.
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2011, 10:46:52 PM »

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Listen, I'm as big of a homer as anyone on this board and would love to be wrong and see Rondo blow up.  But it's really a pretty big stretch to say that Rondo and Paul are even equals given the talent Rondo has played with over his career here.  Like I said, even if we put on our greenest tinted glasses and go with it, no one else is going to think that, including other players.  


  Put Rondo on a team with other players and he's probably going to put up better stats than he does now. Just like PP/RA/KG put up better numbers seperately, just like James/Wade/Bosh did, just like Amare did before the Knicks traded for Melo.

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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2011, 11:02:19 PM »

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Really guys?  I love Rondo and would love to see him be a career Celtic.  However, do you really think it's a mythology on this board that players would be tripping themselves to play with Paul and not Rondo?  Or do you think it's rather your green tinted glasses that are telling you otherwise?  

Listen, I'm as big of a homer as anyone on this board and would love to be wrong and see Rondo blow up.  But it's really a pretty big stretch to say that Rondo and Paul are even equals given the talent Rondo has played with over his career here.  Like I said, even if we put on our greenest tinted glasses and go with it, no one else is going to think that, including other players.  

Boston is already at a disadvantage given its climate and perceived history of racism (despite having the first black coach and first all-black starting give).  Getting someone like Paul puts on the map.  

Could Howard come here to play with Rondo?  Sure.  But by sticking with him over Paul (assuming we get such a choice), you're taking what's already a very remote chance of landing Howard and making it even remoter.  

And as a side note, I'm hoping you guys are right.  I really don't think we're getting Paul and that Rondo is going to be here for the long term.  However, I think you have to take the chance on Paul if given the opportunity. 
Rondo is a proven playoff stud. Chris Paul, for all of his success in the regular season, is not. I just don't like the mentality and chemistry on these super teams that are forming around the league. Rondo is the kind of guy I want on my team, he's the kind of guy i want to cheer for.

Re: Rajon Rondo is my guy.
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2011, 11:56:29 PM »

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People seem to remember all of Rondo's hustle and heroics, but let's not forget he comes with a lot of baggage too.  It's well documented he was not well liked by the coaches AND players at Kentucky.  He also clashed with the big stars in Boston for the first couple of years.  Danny seriously considered trading him prior to the long term deal because he wasn't sure he had the right attitude.  When the Celtics faltered towards the end of the regular season Doc said in an interview "he's" not playing with heart and passion after the big trade.  Either it was a slip instead of saying the team, or it was a direct shot at Rondo.  Pouting because your best friend got traded? I mean seriously is this middle school or NBA basketball.  Even during last year's playoffs he ignored Pierce's call for team huddles on the floor.

On top of all that, he has some serious basketball flaws (lack of shooting).  But I will say the Rondo trade rumors that keep coming up every year are more due to his attitude than any deficiencies on the court.  I believe the only reason he is still a Celtic is because Danny hasn't received a reasonable offer for him over the past few years. 

Re: Rajon Rondo is my guy.
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2011, 12:49:46 AM »

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That young man has a great attitude.  I don't know why everything that happens with Rondo gets blown up the way it does.  I very much remember Paul Pierce being questioned for his attitude and his character on the court before the big trade and him becoming the winner he is today.

It's par for the course for up and coming stars to take their lumps from the media, the fans, and even occasionally their coaches, teammates and management, if you read enough into it, as they are growing up as professionals.

Who doesn't come with some baggage?  I'm glad all the unkind things that have ever been said about me haven't been published or recorded for posterity.

I'm sure that's just me, though.  Everyone else who posts on this blog is most likely a perfect human being. 
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« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2011, 01:22:36 AM »

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Read this comment in one of the articles (re: Rondo):

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Boston fans have got to be the most wishy-washy fans on earth. No wonder they elected both John Kerry and Mitt Romney to political office to represent the state. Players should RUN away from anyone who asks them to play for any team there, as all that awaits at the end of their time there is negativity and scorn from an ungrateful bunch of crybabies.

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« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2011, 03:12:29 AM »

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Read this comment in one of the articles (re: Rondo):

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Boston fans have got to be the most wishy-washy fans on earth. No wonder they elected both John Kerry and Mitt Romney to political office to represent the state. Players should RUN away from anyone who asks them to play for any team there, as all that awaits at the end of their time there is negativity and scorn from an ungrateful bunch of crybabies.




And get what from it exactly? Are you saying thats true about us as fans?

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« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2011, 03:37:58 AM »

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Read this comment in one of the articles (re: Rondo):

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Boston fans have got to be the most wishy-washy fans on earth. No wonder they elected both John Kerry and Mitt Romney to political office to represent the state. Players should RUN away from anyone who asks them to play for any team there, as all that awaits at the end of their time there is negativity and scorn from an ungrateful bunch of crybabies.




And get what from it exactly? Are you saying thats true about us as fans?
Ask yourself does the shoe fit?
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« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2011, 05:58:59 AM »

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Chris Paul is a better player at the same position than Rondo. No one is talking about trading Rondo for peanuts. It's trading him for a superior player which will help the team more. Chris Paul is every bit the passer and ballhandler that Rondo is - and is actually likely better at both. Rondo's only demonstrable edge over CP3 is rebounding - and even then, the rate difference is 8.3 to 7.4, hardly enough to overcome the other deficiencies between the two.

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« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2011, 06:02:10 AM »

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Chris Paul, for all of his success in the regular season, is not.

Chris Paul isn't a playoff stud? I mean, really? In 23 career playoff games, he has a PER of 27.1. He's averaged 22/5/11 on 58% true shooting percentage. I could go on - but these are all numbers that are vastly superior to Rondo's.

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« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2011, 06:45:53 AM »

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Rondo's my man too but:

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« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2011, 07:28:30 AM »

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First, I think that Paul is likely a more complete player than Rondo.  But even if we were to assume that Rondo and Paul were equals or even if Rondo had a slight edge, Paul offers something that Rondo likely doesn't, the ability to draw other stars here.  
 

  Ya because he drew so many stars to play with him in New Orleans.

  I am sorry but there is no basis for this claim.  He may draw other star players and he may not.  Same goers for Rondo.  Neither has done so in the past so there is no telling if they could in the future.

  I think having a well run organization that drafts well, treat it's players well, has a great, player friendly coach and a GM who has the balls to go for the gold is far more of a draw to other great players then Chris Paul is.  Boston has begun to establish those things again after 20 years of futility but it takes time.
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