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Loyalty
« on: December 01, 2011, 04:54:23 PM »

Offline Yogi

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   In a time when loyalty has become nothing more than empty rhetoric, when hearts that once sought glory now seek glamour, we must nurture what little true greatness that is left or risk losing the sport to greed and injustice. 
   Who comes to mind when we think of the greatest Celtics?  Bill Russell, Dave Cowens, John Havlicek, Kevin McHale, Larry Bird, Paul Pierce.  What do they all have in common?  They grew up Celtics which shaped them into who they were as players.  They were all at one point captains of the Celtics team who taught the younger players the true meaning of playing as a Boston Celtic. 
   Rondo is the next person in line to carry this torch passed down through generations.  He's born and raised a Celtic in his professional career. If we trade him we lose the only young player with that intangible but very real thing made of heart, loyalty and common-sense defying greatness that has embodied all great Celtics throughout history. 
   Does Rondo have his faults?  Of course.  However, hasn't it always been the faults that made the Celtics so special?  Bill Russell as dominant as he was, was undersized and was no where near the offensive force that Wilt Chamberlain was.  Dave Cowens was too small, Kevin McHale was too lanky, Larry Bird was an average athlete, Paul Pierce is too slow... but they beat the bigger, more talented, stronger, more athletic players.  That's what made them special.  Rondo is the next in line.  So what if he can't shoot?  He will defy logic like all great Celtics to show once again that heart can overcome the odds.   
   What if Larry Bird demanded a trade to play with LA so he can win more rings?  What if Bill Russell wanted to team up with Wilt?  They would never think of doing such a ridiculous thing.  Even though logic says they can win rings the heart says that's cowardice.  Such an act would laugh at the spirit of hard work and competition.  Chris Paul is a guy who would do that.  He would make a mockery of the entire sport by wanting to team up with the very people he's competing with to try to get a ring without any real heart.  It would be an insult to add a guy like him to this team even if it meant a ring or two. 
   A ring earned through the triumph of spirit and teamwork is a real ring.  A collection of all-stars winning a ring against a lesser team is a mockery.  Dallas did the NBA a huge favor last year by saving the NBA from becoming the laughing stock of all competitive sports.  That is the job of the veterans.
   We have to keep these immature children from thinking a ring is so easy as to join up with your all star friends in a big market.  We can only hope that the young are not swayed by these so called "stars" and grow up right guidance.  Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, Kevin Durant, Blake Griffin, Kevin Love, John Wall, we have to show them that loyalty and heart matters in order to save this sport.  That a ring is a symbol of loyalty, heart and hard work.  Not a symbol of greed and collusion.  Otherwise what are we rooting for as fans?
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Re: Loyalty
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2011, 04:56:35 PM »

Offline Fafnir

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What do you make of KG saying he should have asked to get out of Minnesota earlier in his career?

Re: Loyalty
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2011, 05:02:00 PM »

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I think Rondo's sense of loyalty to this team in any way shape or form walked out the door with Perk.

Re: Loyalty
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2011, 05:03:07 PM »

Offline Celtics18

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Yogi, I wish I could give you more than one Tommy Point for that.  That's a good, heartfelt post about the passion of being a sports fan.  

I concur.
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Re: Loyalty
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2011, 05:04:12 PM »

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I think Rondo's sense of loyalty to this team in any way shape or form walked out the door with Perk.

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Re: Loyalty
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2011, 05:13:22 PM »

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It's a business.

When it comes down to it, we're all rooting for laundry.


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Re: Loyalty
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2011, 05:14:12 PM »

Offline Fafnir

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It's a business.

When it comes down to it, we're all rooting for laundry.
If we don't trade Perkins given the contract that OKC offered him he's likely leaving the Celts on his own. What would we all say then?

Loyalty doesn't mean never trading players, never letting players go, and never changing your team up.

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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2011, 05:18:29 PM »

Offline bdm860

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It's a business.

When it comes down to it, we're all rooting for laundry.

Players are as loyal to their jobs as we are to ours.

Another company makes you on offer, offering some combination of better work environment, better hours, less stressful work, better salary, better city, better perks, better quality of life, and you get to work with your friends, I think most of us would switch companies too.

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Re: Loyalty
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2011, 05:24:01 PM »

Offline Yogi

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What do you make of KG saying he should have asked to get out of Minnesota earlier in his career?
The fact that he didn't is loyalty.  His quote is just hindsight.
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Re: Loyalty
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2011, 05:27:40 PM »

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There is no Loyalty in sport anymore

Money talks


Re: Loyalty
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2011, 05:28:06 PM »

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Yeah I used to feel the same way...but if those guys played in today's NBA, they might have switched teams too.

It's incredibly rare what Pierce is doing and what the Celtics are in turn doing for Pierce.

In sports today you have no choice but to be loyal to the team and not the players.

They will break your hearts more often that not otherwise.

Why wouldnt these guys try to make as much money as possible?

I know I do in my profession.



Re: Loyalty
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2011, 05:32:38 PM »

Offline Yogi

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It's a business.

When it comes down to it, we're all rooting for laundry.

   Laundry is not everything.  Mark Blount wore the same laundry as Larry Bird but that doesn't mean that they're equally deserving of our loyalty.  The fact that Pierce didn't bolt when we were terrible means something.  The fact that Dirk struggled so long in Dallas without going ring hunting means something.  There's a reason why Ilgauskus is still beloved in Cleveland while Lebron is hated even though they both left for the Heat.  It's because one of those guy gave their ALL to Cleveland, while the other ran away after promising his loyalty.  
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Re: Loyalty
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2011, 05:35:53 PM »

Offline Celtics18

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Fans aren't very loyal to the players these days, either.  I prefer the old school way of actually rooting for the guys wearing the laundry rather than just the laundry itself.  

Rondo's my Celtic for the future and I relish the idea of getting to see my guy compete against the likes of Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, Deron Williams, Kevin Durant, Dwight Howard, John Wall, and Blake Griffin for years to come.  

This idea that fandom is all about building some kind of fantasy team made up of our enemies is a little distasteful to my sports sensibilities.  
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Re: Loyalty
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2011, 05:39:55 PM »

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It's a business.

When it comes down to it, we're all rooting for laundry.

   Laundry is not everything.  Mark Blount wore the same laundry as Larry Bird but that doesn't mean that they're equally deserving of our loyalty.  The fact that Pierce didn't bolt when we were terrible means something.  The fact that Dirk struggled so long in Dallas without going ring hunting means something.  There's a reason why Ilgauskus is still beloved in Cleveland while Lebron is hated even though they both left for the Heat.  It's because one of those guy gave their ALL to Cleveland, while the other ran away after promising his loyalty.  

My loyalty is to the group of guys who trot out on the court night in & night out wearing Celtics on their jerseys.  A guy like Blount, when he was on the Celtics, I can tolerate because he's still part of the team.  I'm not going to necessarily show him the same affection I show for Pierce but I'll be rooting for him to do positive things on the court because of the laundry.

Now, there are guys who have passed through Boston that I still keep an eye on with interest like Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes, etc...  However, at the end of the day, if any of those guys are going up against the Celtics, I'm still rooting for whoever is out there in the green & white.


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Re: Loyalty
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2011, 05:42:03 PM »

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What do you make of KG saying he should have asked to get out of Minnesota earlier in his career?
The fact that he didn't is loyalty.  His quote is just hindsight.
Indeed, but his view is that loyalty can be misplaced and that it can hold you back from accomplishing greatness. Minnesota definitely held KG back with its owner and GM.

Loyalty doesn't win basketball games.

You make it sound like Russell was an underdog in the NBA. He was the second overall pick in the NBA draft, he was an olympic gold medalist, he was a two time college basketball champion, and he was one of the greatest athletes of his era. He wasn't the underdog.

Similar things can be said of Pierce, and McHale, and so on.