Rondo-Paul Trade Thread (Merged)

[celticinorlando]

i just don't know what to think about this

[scaryjerry]

First off, ive never been even a remote fan of "cp3" I think hes overrated as many of us think Rondo is as well.
I dont mind the idea of trying to trade our one chip that can net us a bigger superstar...but to hide behind "to add more scoring for pierce"
um what? in an ideal world wouldnt it be looking to Trade Pierce for more youthful scoring to put around Rondo?
just sayin

[chambers]

Can anyone confirm that CP3 and Garnett do not get along?
Alot of NYC and NO fans are saying this on ESPN comment sections on these articles.

I know Rondo and CP3 have had words before on the court but I've never heard anything about KG and CP3 having beef.
Anyone know?

[Shots]

First off, ive never been even a remote fan of "cp3" I think hes overrated as many of us think Rondo is as well.
I dont mind the idea of trying to trade our one chip that can net us a bigger superstar...but to hide behind "to add more scoring for pierce"
um what? in an ideal world wouldnt it be looking to Trade Pierce for more youthful scoring to put around Rondo?
just sayin

In an ideal world? Sure. But an ideal world is nothing more than utopia, so I do not understand your point!

Paul Pierce cannot realistically be replaced on this team. Not only is he probably the most versatile scorer, but he is furthermore one of the leaders of the team. Therefore, a more youthful addition would simply not be able to replace his efforts. Not from a perspective of production or talent, and especially not in terms of the intangibles. At least not if the Celtics still are operating within a "win now" mode, which I think most recent transactions from the front office indicates.

Furthermore, it would be downright impossible to get value-for-money for his contract given his age.

[scaryjerry]

First off, ive never been even a remote fan of "cp3" I think hes overrated as many of us think Rondo is as well.
I dont mind the idea of trying to trade our one chip that can net us a bigger superstar...but to hide behind "to add more scoring for pierce"
um what? in an ideal world wouldnt it be looking to Trade Pierce for more youthful scoring to put around Rondo?
just sayin

In an ideal world? Sure. But an ideal world is nothing more than utopia, so I do not understand your point!

Paul Pierce cannot realistically be replaced on this team. Not only is he probably the most versatile scorer, but he is furthermore one of the leaders of the team. Therefore, a more youthful addition would simply not be able to replace his efforts. Not from a perspective of production or talent, and especially not in terms of the intangibles. At least not if the Celtics still are operating within a "win now" mode, which I think most recent transactions from the front office indicates.

Furthermore, it would be downright impossible to get value-for-money for his contract given his age.

I guess we will have to agree to not understand each other then because I believe if you watched last years team, it was Rondo who was the most irreplacable, not an aging Pierce who depended more than ever on getting the Ball from Rondo last season to score.
This trade also has nothing to do with "win now" mode its clearly more about the future past the big 3 and believing cp3 is more of a face of a franchise than rondo going forward.
"win now" mode in my opinion would be keeping Rondo who blends perfectly with a couple former stars on their last legs, one of whom happens to be Pierce

I guess you could argue it helps "win now" and the future, but im not buying chris paul gives us a better chance this year, period

[Shots]

First off, ive never been even a remote fan of "cp3" I think hes overrated as many of us think Rondo is as well.
I dont mind the idea of trying to trade our one chip that can net us a bigger superstar...but to hide behind "to add more scoring for pierce"
um what? in an ideal world wouldnt it be looking to Trade Pierce for more youthful scoring to put around Rondo?
just sayin

In an ideal world? Sure. But an ideal world is nothing more than utopia, so I do not understand your point!

Paul Pierce cannot realistically be replaced on this team. Not only is he probably the most versatile scorer, but he is furthermore one of the leaders of the team. Therefore, a more youthful addition would simply not be able to replace his efforts. Not from a perspective of production or talent, and especially not in terms of the intangibles. At least not if the Celtics still are operating within a "win now" mode, which I think most recent transactions from the front office indicates.

Furthermore, it would be downright impossible to get value-for-money for his contract given his age.

I guess we will have to agree to not understand each other then because I believe if you watched last years team, it was Rondo who was the most irreplacable, not an aging Pierce who depended more than ever on getting the Ball from Rondo last season to score.
This trade also has nothing to do with "win now" mode its clearly more about the future past the big 3 and believing cp3 is more of a face of a franchise than rondo going forward.
"win now" mode in my opinion would be keeping Rondo who blends perfectly with a couple former stars on their last legs, one of whom happens to be Pierce

I guess you could argue it helps "win now" and the future, but im not buying chris paul gives us a better chance this year, period

Well, you might be right in terms of internal team chemistry and structure. Lets say that as a premise at least.

What value could you gain in return for Pierce? The way I see it he only holds value for teams who wants to win in the upcoming season, and who does not have any proper starting SF.
The only team I can think of in that context is the Mavs (Marion). Who could they send in return, who could provide with scoring? I dont see any fits at least.

My point with the 'trade Pierce rather than Rondo' is that Pierce would not be able to return the same value, given that Rondo has qualities that are rather distinct, and that he holds great perspectives for the future. Pierce, on the other hand, has a higher value to the Celtics, than he would have to any other team.

[Evantime34]

First off, ive never been even a remote fan of "cp3" I think hes overrated as many of us think Rondo is as well.
I dont mind the idea of trying to trade our one chip that can net us a bigger superstar...but to hide behind "to add more scoring for pierce"
um what? in an ideal world wouldnt it be looking to Trade Pierce for more youthful scoring to put around Rondo?
just sayin

In an ideal world? Sure. But an ideal world is nothing more than utopia, so I do not understand your point!

Paul Pierce cannot realistically be replaced on this team. Not only is he probably the most versatile scorer, but he is furthermore one of the leaders of the team. Therefore, a more youthful addition would simply not be able to replace his efforts. Not from a perspective of production or talent, and especially not in terms of the intangibles. At least not if the Celtics still are operating within a "win now" mode, which I think most recent transactions from the front office indicates.

Furthermore, it would be downright impossible to get value-for-money for his contract given his age.

I guess we will have to agree to not understand each other then because I believe if you watched last years team, it was Rondo who was the most irreplacable, not an aging Pierce who depended more than ever on getting the Ball from Rondo last season to score.
This trade also has nothing to do with "win now" mode its clearly more about the future past the big 3 and believing cp3 is more of a face of a franchise than rondo going forward.
"win now" mode in my opinion would be keeping Rondo who blends perfectly with a couple former stars on their last legs, one of whom happens to be Pierce

Do you rememeber all the times where the offense broke down and Rondo had to take a late in the shot clock jumper (happened more and more as the season went along). Well CP3 makes most of those jumpers, however with CP3 it proably doesn't come to that very often. Regularly Rondo sits at the top of the key waiting for the other players to get open, without being a threat at all to attack the hoop. Paul would allow our offense to flow more freely because he would need to be guarded while the play is being run.
Rondo was often the best player on the floor for the Celtics but that doesn't mean that CP3 isn't better(he is).

[BballTim]

First off, ive never been even a remote fan of "cp3" I think hes overrated as many of us think Rondo is as well.
I dont mind the idea of trying to trade our one chip that can net us a bigger superstar...but to hide behind "to add more scoring for pierce"
um what? in an ideal world wouldnt it be looking to Trade Pierce for more youthful scoring to put around Rondo?
just sayin

In an ideal world? Sure. But an ideal world is nothing more than utopia, so I do not understand your point!

Paul Pierce cannot realistically be replaced on this team. Not only is he probably the most versatile scorer, but he is furthermore one of the leaders of the team. Therefore, a more youthful addition would simply not be able to replace his efforts. Not from a perspective of production or talent, and especially not in terms of the intangibles. At least not if the Celtics still are operating within a "win now" mode, which I think most recent transactions from the front office indicates.

Furthermore, it would be downright impossible to get value-for-money for his contract given his age.

I guess we will have to agree to not understand each other then because I believe if you watched last years team, it was Rondo who was the most irreplacable, not an aging Pierce who depended more than ever on getting the Ball from Rondo last season to score.
This trade also has nothing to do with "win now" mode its clearly more about the future past the big 3 and believing cp3 is more of a face of a franchise than rondo going forward.
"win now" mode in my opinion would be keeping Rondo who blends perfectly with a couple former stars on their last legs, one of whom happens to be Pierce

Do you rememeber all the times where the offense broke down and Rondo had to take a late in the shot clock jumper (happened more and more as the season went along). Well CP3 makes most of those jumpers, however with CP3 it proably doesn't come to that very often. Regularly Rondo sits at the top of the key waiting for the other players to get open, without being a threat at all to attack the hoop. Paul would allow our offense to flow more freely because he would need to be guarded while the play is being run.
Rondo was often the best player on the floor for the Celtics but that doesn't mean that CP3 isn't better(he is).

 New Orleans takes slightly more shots late in the shot clock than the Celts do. And CP3 isn't much of a threat to attack the hoop either.

[jdz101]

This trade making anyone else feel sick in the stomach? Certainly is for me.
When rondo is firing he is better than CP3 in my opinion. I would really struggle to deal with this trade...perhaps a hundred times more than the Perkins one.

[celtsrp33]

I am a HUGE fan of Rondo's game.  I enjoy watching him play ball more than any player in recent history - back to Bird probably.  That said, I know Chris Paul is a much better offensive player - which the C's could probably use.  Defensively he can't hold a candle to Rondo. 

I would not want to move Rondo who is a great playmaker and defensive player for Paul who is a great playmaker and offensive player unless it is going to lure in Howard.  Howard could be our defensive anchor for 7-10 years.  If we get CP3 (he would be CP11 or something if he comes here) and don't get Howard, I think it does this team no good. 

[GDAbraham]

I think Rondo is open to criticism like anyone else, but I'm not sure why people accept the media's persona for him as "him". I only judge him by his on-court performance, savvy and what his critical teammates think. And, slap me silly, but when three hall of famers call Rondo the future and he shows us what he has (amid nagging injuries and skepticism), I believe it. And if you're going on those terms and not calling him the best current point guard in the league or the best player in the league, then how is that overrated?

I'd rather not see him traded despite the potential of Chris Paul providing what he does which is more dynamic offense. Even on a purely future-focused scenario I'm not sure Rondo wouldn't be the better shot. I have to go with the occasional nagging injury and furrow of his brow over Paul's knees. Part logic, part sentimentality. There would have to be a guarantee of Howard to make it feel sensible.

[Mike-Dub]

I'd do with Tyson Chandler.... or maybe even for a big man in the draft with the clippers pick that we got.

[clover]

I'd do with Tyson Chandler.... or maybe even for a big man in the draft with the clippers pick that we got.

Same here re: Chandler or Nene.

Don't think I'd count so heavily on the Clippers pick.

[indeedproceed]

New Orleans takes slightly more shots late in the shot clock than the Celts do. And CP3 isn't much of a threat to attack the hoop either.

You can't really argue that Rajon Rondo's shot creating abilities near the hoop are better by a substantial margin. Rajon Rondo had 3, sometimes 4 capable jumpshooters and/or potential hall of famers around him most of the time he's on the floor. On top of that, he had one of the best defensive units in basketball to help create turnovers, which how the majority of those 'shots at the rim' occur.

The rest of the New Orleans Hornets are abysmally bad, with only David West providing a real scary scoring threat. They had to lean on Marco Bellinili and Marcus Thornton, two woefully inadequate players to be considered big rotation players on a playoff team.

[Birdman]

I love Rondo as much as anyone..hes a Kentucky guy and is a great PG..but if u can get Chris Paul and thats mean by trading Rondo, I would do it..Paul is one of the top 10 players in this league. Now if he doesnt agree to a contract extension beyond this season, then i wouldnt do it. But iff he does, i pull the trigger on this deal.