Rondo-Paul Trade Thread (Merged)

[bruinsandceltics]

thing is, do we really want to do this? are we so eager to ship Rondo out?

I mean, does Rondo have the same appeal to Dwight compare to CP3

i dont know, I don't want to do this trade unless it guarantees we get Dwight for sure in 2012

Either way it would be a win.

CP3 is a better play now than Rondo and has more reported ties to DH12.

[snively]

Blech, I just can't get excited about this prospect.  Too much of a Rondo fan.

[chenaren]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=72gnd7c

New Orlean has to accept this deal. Do it Ainge!!

[clover]

CP3 would also be a better match with a primarily defensive center, if they couldn't land DH and had to settle for that.

[DKClassic]

Blech, I just can't get excited about this prospect.  Too much of a Rondo fan.

Yeah, I don't know, I'm kind of split on this.  CP3 is way too good to pass up, however, I've enjoyed Rondo's heart and play ever since he came to the Celtics.  He's had some great memorable games.

[xmuscularghandix]

Now way in hell. This baby right here.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6v2saap

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Now way in hell. This baby right here.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6v2saap

The only reason this trade will happen is because Larry Bird will want Boston to win another one. Collison and Granger are studs. And Indiana is just gonna give them away for Rajon? Rajon ain't that valuable.

[Jon]

Blech, I just can't get excited about this prospect.  Too much of a Rondo fan.

Yeah, I don't know, I'm kind of split on this.  CP3 is way too good to pass up, however, I've enjoyed Rondo's heart and play ever since he came to the Celtics.  He's had some great memorable games.

But landing Paul increases our chances of winning this year (we've always imagined what would happen if Rondo could shoot, now we'd know if Paul was playing with the Big Three).  The fact that teams can sag off of him will make the Big Three look younger. 

Plus, it'll make us even bigger players in the free agency frenzy of 2012, as Howard would be more likely to come here to play with Paul. 

I love Rondo too, but if Danny can pull this off, it just makes too much sense. 

[dmny5000]

Blech, I just can't get excited about this prospect.  Too much of a Rondo fan.

Yeah, I don't know, I'm kind of split on this.  CP3 is way too good to pass up, however, I've enjoyed Rondo's heart and play ever since he came to the Celtics.  He's had some great memorable games.

But landing Paul increases our chances of winning this year (we've always imagined what would happen if Rondo could shoot, now we'd know if Paul was playing with the Big Three).  The fact that teams can sag off of him will make the Big Three look younger. 

Plus, it'll make us even bigger players in the free agency frenzy of 2012, as Howard would be more likely to come here to play with Paul. 

I love Rondo too, but if Danny can pull this off, it just makes too much sense. 

I disagree that it makes the Celtics more likely to win this year.

Chris Paul is going to have a mini training camp and wont be on the same page this year. It takes a while to build chemistry with the other guys.

I do think Chris Paul could be better for the future but that's not a guarantee in my opinion. I don't trust his knees is my biggest issue. That could end up being a big problem.

Also, I love Rondo so it's hard for me to take that out of the equation. He has more heart than just about any player in the league. And like another poster said when things start getting tough Rondo steps up.

That and I really think Rondo's shooting is underrated. No, he cant shoot like Chris Paul but his mid range percentage wasn't all that bad last year. Rondo works too hard not to get better in all aspects of the game.

I still think if he agrees to an extension you should do it but that doesn't necessarily mean I would. Rondo is already a top 5 pg so I'm not sure it makes the most sense. If you want scoring get a sg.

As a side note CP3 didn't score all that much last year on a bad team. The obvious benefit is that the defense cant sag off when he's in there. Can you tell I'm just a little torn on this?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth #20]

If Ainge gets CP3 he is an absolute miracle worker, go Danny go!

[BballTim]

Blech, I just can't get excited about this prospect.  Too much of a Rondo fan.

Yeah, I don't know, I'm kind of split on this.  CP3 is way too good to pass up, however, I've enjoyed Rondo's heart and play ever since he came to the Celtics.  He's had some great memorable games.

But landing Paul increases our chances of winning this year (we've always imagined what would happen if Rondo could shoot, now we'd know if Paul was playing with the Big Three).  The fact that teams can sag off of him will make the Big Three look younger. 

  Teams will stay somewhat closer to CP3 on the perimeter but we'll lose a lot of our inside game. Rondo scores or assists about 7.3 baskets at the rim a game, CP3 scores or assists about 4.4 a game. The Celts were 5th in the league in made baskets at the rim, the Hornets were 28th.

[Shots]

Blech, I just can't get excited about this prospect.  Too much of a Rondo fan.

Yeah, I don't know, I'm kind of split on this.  CP3 is way too good to pass up, however, I've enjoyed Rondo's heart and play ever since he came to the Celtics.  He's had some great memorable games.

But landing Paul increases our chances of winning this year (we've always imagined what would happen if Rondo could shoot, now we'd know if Paul was playing with the Big Three).  The fact that teams can sag off of him will make the Big Three look younger. 

  Teams will stay somewhat closer to CP3 on the perimeter but we'll lose a lot of our inside game. Rondo scores or assists about 7.3 baskets at the rim a game, CP3 scores or assists about 4.4 a game. The Celts were 5th in the league in made baskets at the rim, the Hornets were 28th.

I dont necessarily disagree with that argument, however the premise is rather different.

Boston, contrary to New Orleans, had a relatively good team in terms of going to the basket (Big Baby, Pierce, Garnett, Ray, JO, Shaq), whereas New Orleans in the past season had a game focused a lot on perimeter shooting. Okafor as a center is just as unused (read: horrible) at finishing at the basket as Perkins was, and Ariza transitioned into more of a spot-up shooter than a driver.

To compare two players from two vastly different systems, and conclude that one player would change the Boston setup vastly, is pretty pointless.

[GreenFaith1819]

So many CP3 threads...

The way things appear (at least rumor-wise), we'll be looking at CP3 in Green here soon.

I hope he is worth it. If this thing jumps off I hope he does in fact STAY in Boston.

My gut feeling is that he won't. Unless Danny has a plan to bring either Tyson or DH here, CP3 (IF he's traded to Boston), will just go from a green and white jersey to a dark blue and orange one next year, with Spike Lee grinning from ear to ear for the next several years.

Rondo vs CP3 has been nuked so much on here as far as who is better at what, etc.....I am rather hesistant as to how this team will look and play with CP3 here.

I'm sorry I am not hopping on the CP3 bandwagon until I see what Danny does with this. I'll miss this bus and stay on the Rondo one for now.

[BballTim]

Blech, I just can't get excited about this prospect.  Too much of a Rondo fan.

Yeah, I don't know, I'm kind of split on this.  CP3 is way too good to pass up, however, I've enjoyed Rondo's heart and play ever since he came to the Celtics.  He's had some great memorable games.

But landing Paul increases our chances of winning this year (we've always imagined what would happen if Rondo could shoot, now we'd know if Paul was playing with the Big Three).  The fact that teams can sag off of him will make the Big Three look younger. 

  Teams will stay somewhat closer to CP3 on the perimeter but we'll lose a lot of our inside game. Rondo scores or assists about 7.3 baskets at the rim a game, CP3 scores or assists about 4.4 a game. The Celts were 5th in the league in made baskets at the rim, the Hornets were 28th.

I dont necessarily disagree with that argument, however the premise is rather different.

Boston, contrary to New Orleans, had a relatively good team in terms of going to the basket (Big Baby, Pierce, Garnett, Ray, JO, Shaq), whereas New Orleans in the past season had a game focused a lot on perimeter shooting. Okafor as a center is just as unused (read: horrible) at finishing at the basket as Perkins was, and Ariza transitioned into more of a spot-up shooter than a driver.

To compare two players from two vastly different systems, and conclude that one player would change the Boston setup vastly, is pretty pointless.

  If you ignore the baskets that are scored or assisted by Rondo and Paul, NO has 8.7 baskets at the rim, Boston has 9.6. Rondo vs Paul accounts for about 75% of the difference between the teams.

  Also, Perk was among the leaders if not the leader for the Celts at baskets at the rim over the last few years. And PP/RA/KG/Baby don't really take it to the hole as much as you think they do.

[Shots]

Blech, I just can't get excited about this prospect.  Too much of a Rondo fan.

Yeah, I don't know, I'm kind of split on this.  CP3 is way too good to pass up, however, I've enjoyed Rondo's heart and play ever since he came to the Celtics.  He's had some great memorable games.

But landing Paul increases our chances of winning this year (we've always imagined what would happen if Rondo could shoot, now we'd know if Paul was playing with the Big Three).  The fact that teams can sag off of him will make the Big Three look younger.  

  Teams will stay somewhat closer to CP3 on the perimeter but we'll lose a lot of our inside game. Rondo scores or assists about 7.3 baskets at the rim a game, CP3 scores or assists about 4.4 a game. The Celts were 5th in the league in made baskets at the rim, the Hornets were 28th.

I dont necessarily disagree with that argument, however the premise is rather different.

Boston, contrary to New Orleans, had a relatively good team in terms of going to the basket (Big Baby, Pierce, Garnett, Ray, JO, Shaq), whereas New Orleans in the past season had a game focused a lot on perimeter shooting. Okafor as a center is just as unused (read: horrible) at finishing at the basket as Perkins was, and Ariza transitioned into more of a spot-up shooter than a driver.

To compare two players from two vastly different systems, and conclude that one player would change the Boston setup vastly, is pretty pointless.

  If you ignore the baskets that are scored or assisted by Rondo and Paul, NO has 8.7 baskets at the rim, Boston has 9.6. Rondo vs Paul accounts for about 75% of the difference between the teams.

  Also, Perk was among the leaders if not the leader for the Celts at baskets at the rim over the last few years. And PP/RA/KG/Baby don't really take it to the hole as much as you think they do.

You are probably right. I haven't looked into the statistics at all. Considering that Perkins played for about a month, I would however be rather confused if he accounted for a vast proportion of the Celtics inside game last season.

Regardless, I don't think it makes a lot of sense to compare Paul, the context he is a part of, and Rondo, to the context he is a part of. The situations are vastly different (granted, they do have influence on the situation they are in - but they do not solely define it)!