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Piers Morgan Is A ........
« on: November 29, 2011, 11:13:12 AM »

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On Monday evening Piers Morgan interviewed Shaq and Magic Johnson. During the Shaq interview Morgan started to talk about the NBA lockout. Morgan refused to call it a lockout and referred to it as a strike. Shaq quickly corrected him, but Morgan insisted it was a strike. I suggest that his show should be boycotted. Did anybody see the interview? Could you please comment on it.

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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2011, 11:28:35 AM »

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Piers Morgan Is A ........  
....Blithering idiot.

But he fits right in to the network he works for.

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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2011, 11:34:25 AM »

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I've been accidentally boycotting his show for its entire existence.   ;)

But I'm curious why someone would say that.  I went to a pub trivia contest last night and one of the questions was "Which national organization ended its strike this week?"  I chalk that up to ignorance and the fact that many people think "work stoppage = strike", but I have no idea why someone who knows better would insist it was a strike, other than just to gin up some empty "controversy".

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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2011, 11:43:43 AM »

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I can see why somebody would want to view the lockout as a strike.   The owners made a reasonable offer to the players that the players refused.  The players didnt take a proactive role in the negotiations, especially publicly.  Very understandable that to the public at large it would seem that the players were just refusing to play.

Blame the players for doing a poor job of framing their position in the public eye, and credit the owners for doing a good job of framing theirs. 

In any case, its over now so it doesnt matter.  But I dont see any need to hate on Morgan, though admittedly Ive never seen his show.
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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2011, 12:00:19 PM »

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I can see why somebody would want to view the lockout as a strike.   The owners made a reasonable offer to the players that the players refused.  The players didnt take a proactive role in the negotiations, especially publicly.  Very understandable that to the public at large it would seem that the players were just refusing to play.

Setting aside the highly subjective nature of "reasonable offer", that still isn't a strike. 

It smacks of partisan-style "attach a scare word to the thing I don't like, screw the actual definition" argument tactics.  There's enough of that in politics, it doesn't have to filter into entertainment too.

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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2011, 12:01:44 PM »

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Without seeing it, i doubt it wasnt a intentional choich of words. Not as much for sementics sake but to get a reaction out of whoever he was interviewing and it seems to have had the desired effect.
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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2011, 12:07:09 PM »

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It doesn't matter what he says and does from now on. All the silly stuff he's said before has always made him a (insert bad word here).

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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2011, 12:11:41 PM »

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I can see why somebody would want to view the lockout as a strike.   The owners made a reasonable offer to the players that the players refused.  The players didnt take a proactive role in the negotiations, especially publicly.  Very understandable that to the public at large it would seem that the players were just refusing to play.

Setting aside the highly subjective nature of "reasonable offer", that still isn't a strike.  

It smacks of partisan-style "attach a scare word to the thing I don't like, screw the actual definition" argument tactics.  There's enough of that in politics, it doesn't have to filter into entertainment too.

I'm aware that technically it was not a strike, and I'm sure Piers was, too.  My point is that from the perspective of the public it definitely could have seemed like a strike, and I think that's what Piers was choosing to stick on.

I suppose it's fair to question whether or not it's right for somebody like Piers to make a point by purposefully confusing the terminology like that.

Leaving aside the validity of his point, personally I think it's fine, since he's a cable news network show host.  Cable news is rife with opinion, and this is just par for the course.  Plus, regardless of the network he's on, Piers is employed to be controversial with his guests, inserting opinion to incite discussion.  That's what viewers expect when they tune into his show.  In that sense I don't think there's much ground for calling Piers irresponsible in this case.
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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2011, 12:15:50 PM »

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On Monday evening Piers Morgan interviewed Shaq and Magic Johnson. During the Shaq interview Morgan started to talk about the NBA lockout. Morgan refused to call it a lockout and referred to it as a strike. Shaq quickly corrected him, but Morgan insisted it was a strike. I suggest that his show should be boycotted. Did anybody see the interview? Could you please comment on it.

  Don't most people boycott his show now?

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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2011, 12:18:33 PM »

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On Monday evening Piers Morgan interviewed Shaq and Magic Johnson. During the Shaq interview Morgan started to talk about the NBA lockout. Morgan refused to call it a lockout and referred to it as a strike. Shaq quickly corrected him, but Morgan insisted it was a strike. I suggest that his show should be boycotted. Did anybody see the interview? Could you please comment on it.

  Don't most people boycott his show now?


Can we really call it "boycotting" when people don't bother to watch out of a lack of interest?  Most of the people who used to watch Larry King's show did so because of habit, continuity, familiarity.  Larry King was a fixture. 

That's not to say that Larry King's show wasn't good, but I can't say I'm surprised that a replacement show without the reputation backing it up has failed to create much interest.
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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2011, 12:27:25 PM »

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I can see why somebody would want to view the lockout as a strike.   The owners made a reasonable offer to the players that the players refused.  The players didnt take a proactive role in the negotiations, especially publicly.  Very understandable that to the public at large it would seem that the players were just refusing to play.

Setting aside the highly subjective nature of "reasonable offer", that still isn't a strike.  

It smacks of partisan-style "attach a scare word to the thing I don't like, screw the actual definition" argument tactics.  There's enough of that in politics, it doesn't have to filter into entertainment too.

I'm aware that technically it was not a strike, and I'm sure Piers was, too.  My point is that from the perspective of the public it definitely could have seemed like a strike, and I think that's what Piers was choosing to stick on.
Especially when you have a cable new pundit flat out lying about what the work stoppage was.

It was a lockout not a strike, there isn't any wiggle room around that. The owners made a "reasonable" offer in your view, but that isn't releveant to what the situation was. It was a lockout. You can have both sides making reasonable offers during a strike or a lockout, that doesn't change what the work stoppage is rightfully called based on who stopped production. (workers = strike, owners/capital = lockout)

If your boss made a reasonable offer to cut your salary in an industry that's losing money, and when you refused you were fired could that be rightfully considered a resignation?

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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2011, 12:46:35 PM »

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I can see why somebody would want to view the lockout as a strike.   The owners made a reasonable offer to the players that the players refused.  The players didnt take a proactive role in the negotiations, especially publicly.  Very understandable that to the public at large it would seem that the players were just refusing to play.

Setting aside the highly subjective nature of "reasonable offer", that still isn't a strike.  

It smacks of partisan-style "attach a scare word to the thing I don't like, screw the actual definition" argument tactics.  There's enough of that in politics, it doesn't have to filter into entertainment too.

I'm aware that technically it was not a strike, and I'm sure Piers was, too.  My point is that from the perspective of the public it definitely could have seemed like a strike, and I think that's what Piers was choosing to stick on.
Especially when you have a cable new pundit flat out lying about what the work stoppage was.

It was a lockout not a strike, there isn't any wiggle room around that. The owners made a "reasonable" offer in your view, but that isn't releveant to what the situation was. It was a lockout. You can have both sides making reasonable offers during a strike or a lockout, that doesn't change what the work stoppage is rightfully called based on who stopped production. (workers = strike, owners/capital = lockout)

If your boss made a reasonable offer to cut your salary in an industry that's losing money, and when you refused you were fired could that be rightfully considered a resignation?

Look, you're arguing something about which I do not disagree.  The lockout was in fact a lockout.  There's no getting around that.

However, from the perspective of the public it seemed like the players were refusing to play, which made it seem like a strike.  The owners very effectively controlled the narratives surrounding the lockout, and the players didn't.

I don't think you ought to blame somebody like Piers Morgan for picking up on that and injecting some lively controversy into an interview, especially since that's the standard practice on his show.  

If somebody tunes into Piers Morgan's show and expects to get straight news, and is misled because Piers said it was a strike but it was technically a lockout, that's more their fault than Morgan's, in my opinion.


Also, re: your resignation question, I'm not quite sure what the point of it is, though I as I've just explained I think it's probably irrelevant.  In your example, technically I would have gotten fired but in practical terms yes, I basically resigned, since I wasn't willing to keep working for the wage offered, and that's why I was let go.  

Employees are certainly not required to continue working at a job if they don't want to, or don't feel they're getting paid enough, but if the offered salary is the going rate in the industry -- even if it's been lowered due to the economy or whatever -- it seems to me they can't really claim that their employer wasn't giving them the opportunity to work.

Now, if the going rate in the industry for that profession has somehow been lowered to the point that it no longer provides a reasonable living wage, or a wage with which a worker can support themselves and their family (or there's a lack of benefits etc.), then the situation obviously becomes more complex -- but I don't think there's any way to draw an analogy between the NBA lockout and that sort of situation, given the amount of money the average NBA player makes in one year, let alone for the duration of his career.
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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2011, 12:51:26 PM »

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Meh I don't think the NBA won the PR war in any meaningful way. They simply had more leverage and won at the negotiating table, the PR battle was a draw as the public blamed everyone.

As for not expecting Piers Morgan to not to outright lie, sad what the standards of TV have fallen too. FWF had it right when he said it smacks of partisan-style talking points.

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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2011, 12:55:34 PM »

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Meh I don't think the NBA won the PR war in any meaningful way. They simply had more leverage and won at the negotiating table, the PR battle was a draw as the public blamed everyone.

As for not expecting Piers Morgan to not to outright lie, sad what the standards of TV have fallen too. FWF had it right when he said it smacks of partisan-style talking points.

Sure it does, but that's what you should expect when you tune into a cable news network.  Opinion, not news, is what sells.  As a viewer of a show like Morgan's you'd have to be pretty thick, or have just turned on a cable news network for the first time, to not be aware that what you're being offered is not objective.

Also, I think it's worth pointing out that in all likelihood, if the guests on Morgan's show were NBA representatives, not NBA players, he might have taken an entirely opposite tact.  He just wants to get his guests to react.
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Also, re: your resignation question, I'm not quite sure what the point of it is, though I as I've just explained I think it's probably irrelevant.  In your example, technically I would have gotten fired but in practical terms yes, I basically resigned, since I wasn't willing to keep working for the wage offered, and that's why I was let go. 

Employees are certainly not required to continue working at a job if they don't want to, or don't feel they're getting paid enough, but if the offered salary is the going rate in the industry -- even if it's been lowered due to the economy or whatever -- it seems to me they can't really claim that their employer wasn't giving them the opportunity to work.
I was just drawing an analogy to the situation. The rest of your justification is gobblygook, its not a practical resignation you're being fired for refusing a pay cut pure and simple.

You're attempting to tautology resignation and firing into the same fact because both refer to cessation of employment. They are still different things.