Celtics likely to be in tough spot with new CBA

[goCeltics]

Therefore they should have about 7 mill combined to offer green and/or baby and still offer a full MLE , again assuming they use the amnesty on jermaine.

I have doubts that the Celtics can find a center better than Jermaine O'Neal for the full MLE.

further reading the rules, it seems if u sign a player to the full MLE your basically agreeing to a 74 million dollar hard cap which beyond you can only sign rookies not even veteran minimums.

i was thinking they could waive o'neal and then resigned him, however any player waived under the amnesty rule goes through waiver process where teams under the cap can claim and pay next to nothing of there salaries and claim them.

i do think the C's now are better off trying to sign green & baby (to reasonable contracts) and just using the mini MLE

[guava_wrench]

yes, keep in mind too that with fewer teams giving out full mle contracts, there should be a better pool of talent willing to play for less than the mle than there has been in the past.

Seems we are in a good position since we do not have any middle tier players under contract. They would likely be overpaid under the new deal.

[Phil125]

Signing BBD to a multiyear contract makes my skin crawl.  too many bad shots last year then after we signed Green he seemed to be totally lost on what his role was.

[chambers]

Therefore they should have about 7 mill combined to offer green and/or baby and still offer a full MLE , again assuming they use the amnesty on jermaine.

I have doubts that the Celtics can find a center better than Jermaine O'Neal for the full MLE.

further reading the rules, it seems if u sign a player to the full MLE your basically agreeing to a 74 million dollar hard cap which beyond you can only sign rookies not even veteran minimums.

i was thinking they could waive o'neal and then resigned him, however any player waived under the amnesty rule goes through waiver process where teams under the cap can claim and pay next to nothing of there salaries and claim them.

i do think the C's now are better off trying to sign green & baby (to reasonable contracts) and just using the mini MLE

Nah mate the NBA has protection against teams waiving guys then resigning them. It's at least one year at the moment.

[pearljammer10]

I think Green is more valueable to the Celtics in a trade. I love how he is a young exciting athletic wing but he isnt going to get minutes with Pierce here for 4 more years and he can't play the four. Green can produce big numbers with big minutes and he isnt going to get them here.

Baby is more valueable to the C's on another team. And like people have suggested, I dont think he will sign for 3 mil or under... Even though I feel he isnt even worth that much... Some dumb team might be dumb enough to give him a full MLE and I sure hope we dont match the offer.

[DavorCroatiaFan]

Guys, pleasa a little help. In hoopshype salary page 2011/12 6,8 mil to Rasheed Wallace still count against our cap.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/boston.htm

If we amnesty Sheed and Green signs QO of 5,9 mil...we will be at 65,684mil. So if i understood new CBA, we can resign DWest and BBD for roughly 8,3 mil combine and still have a full MLE cause were not above 74mil. And then we can sign our rookies and round up the roster with vet.min guys.
Can mr.Roy and others tell me if my calculations are correct...

[Roy H.]

Guys, pleasa a little help. In hoopshype salary page 2011/12 6,8 mil to Rasheed Wallace still count against our cap.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/boston.htm

If we amnesty Sheed and Green signs QO of 5,9 mil...we will be at 65,684mil. So if i understood new CBA, we can resign DWest and BBD for roughly 8,3 mil combine and still have a full MLE cause were not above 74mil. And then we can sign our rookies and round up the roster with vet.min guys.
Can mr.Roy and others tell me if my calculations are correct...

Use this salary site:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&key=0AodNvAy3ZYZmdGRZX0VjeC1wdC1GeTd4dDJKZGZvVVE&hl=en_US&gid=4

It's the most accurate.

Our salary for our players, plus Jeff Green, is $70,285,154.  That's without counting cap holds, which are going to add roughly another $2 million. 

It's my understanding that we can't use the full MLE ($5 million) if we would go above $74 million at any point.  Right now, even before signing free agents, we'd have to shave $2.3 million off our existing pay roll to be able to use the full MLE.

I'm pretty resigned to the fact that we're going to only have the MMLE (mini-MLE) to use.  I suppose we could amnesty Jermaine O'Neal, but that means we'd have no starting center, and limited resources to replace him.

[KCattheStripe]

Guys, pleasa a little help. In hoopshype salary page 2011/12 6,8 mil to Rasheed Wallace still count against our cap.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/boston.htm

If we amnesty Sheed and Green signs QO of 5,9 mil...we will be at 65,684mil. So if i understood new CBA, we can resign DWest and BBD for roughly 8,3 mil combine and still have a full MLE cause were not above 74mil. And then we can sign our rookies and round up the roster with vet.min guys.
Can mr.Roy and others tell me if my calculations are correct...

Use this salary site:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&key=0AodNvAy3ZYZmdGRZX0VjeC1wdC1GeTd4dDJKZGZvVVE&hl=en_US&gid=4

It's the most accurate.

Our salary for our players, plus Jeff Green, is $70,285,154.  That's without counting cap holds, which are going to add roughly another $2 million. 

It's my understanding that we can't use the full MLE ($5 million) if we would go above $74 million at any point.  Right now, even before signing free agents, we'd have to shave $2.3 million off our existing pay roll to be able to use the full MLE.

I'm pretty resigned to the fact that we're going to only have the MMLE (mini-MLE) to use.  I suppose we could amnesty Jermaine O'Neal, but that means we'd have no starting center, and limited resources to replace him.

What are the rules on amnestying and then resigning?

[DavorCroatiaFan]

Thanks, Roy, TP.

[Roy H.]

Guys, pleasa a little help. In hoopshype salary page 2011/12 6,8 mil to Rasheed Wallace still count against our cap.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/boston.htm

If we amnesty Sheed and Green signs QO of 5,9 mil...we will be at 65,684mil. So if i understood new CBA, we can resign DWest and BBD for roughly 8,3 mil combine and still have a full MLE cause were not above 74mil. And then we can sign our rookies and round up the roster with vet.min guys.
Can mr.Roy and others tell me if my calculations are correct...

Use this salary site:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&key=0AodNvAy3ZYZmdGRZX0VjeC1wdC1GeTd4dDJKZGZvVVE&hl=en_US&gid=4

It's the most accurate.

Our salary for our players, plus Jeff Green, is $70,285,154.  That's without counting cap holds, which are going to add roughly another $2 million. 

It's my understanding that we can't use the full MLE ($5 million) if we would go above $74 million at any point.  Right now, even before signing free agents, we'd have to shave $2.3 million off our existing pay roll to be able to use the full MLE.

I'm pretty resigned to the fact that we're going to only have the MMLE (mini-MLE) to use.  I suppose we could amnesty Jermaine O'Neal, but that means we'd have no starting center, and limited resources to replace him.

What are the rules on amnestying and then resigning?

No word yet, but in the last CBA the waiving team couldn't re-sign the player until the original contract would have expired.

Here's a few more details on amnesty, and the waiver process:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/sfl-miami-heat-nba-lockout-s112711,0,4202541.story

Sounds like it's not necessarily going to be a free agent free for all, as teams can submit "bids".

[Neurotic Guy]

Roy -- you reference amnesty for JO but the question was amnesty for Sheed's contract.  If it can be done this seems a no-brainer to gain access to the full MLE.

[Roy H.]

Roy -- you reference amnesty for JO but the question was amnesty for Sheed's contract.  If it can be done this seems a no-brainer to gain access to the full MLE.

We're not on the hook for Rasheed's salary, and therefore we can't cut him.  Hoopshype is an unreliable source.  Check out the other site I linked to, that doesn't include Rasheed's salary.

If we keep Jeff Green, there's no realistic way we can use the full MLE (according to the leaked CBA details, anyway) without using amnesty on JO or another starter.

[Neurotic Guy]

Roy -- you reference amnesty for JO but the question was amnesty for Sheed's contract.  If it can be done this seems a no-brainer to gain access to the full MLE.

We're not on the hook for Rasheed's salary, and therefore we can't cut him.  Hoopshype is an unreliable source.  Check out the other site I linked to, that doesn't include Rasheed's salary.

If we keep Jeff Green, there's no realistic way we can use the full MLE (according to the leaked CBA details, anyway) without using amnesty on JO or another starter.

Got it --- thanks Roy!