Celtics likely to be in tough spot with new CBA

[Roy H.]

We can still offer a three year, $9 million contract to free agents, correct?

[Who]

So that gives the C's three options

(1) Sign Jeff Green and Glen Davis and lose the MLE
(2) Sign Glen Davis ($3mil or under) and an MLE signing and lose Jeff Green
(3) Use the MLE, jettison Glen Davis and lose Jeff Green

Option two looks the most fruitful short term option.

Wait, I am confused. The article states the full midlevel several times.

Does that mean that that mini-midlevel exception is still in the deal? That the C's would get that if they signed G.Davis and J.Green?

I am having trouble finding out whether that still exists or not.

From what I gleaned from that author's twitter, all teams get an MLE to use each year, but if you're on the verge of crossing the $4 mil over the tax threshold, the MLE gets reduced to $3 mil. 

So it's a case of Green, Baby + $3 mil MLE vs $5+ MLE. no Green, and maybe Baby on the cheap.

I think the $3 million rules the C's out of the top wings and Kwame/Landry/Foster.

With Kenyon Martin in China until March, late season signing, it probably wouldn't matter much to him. It should also be enough for someone like Chuck Hayes or Mike Dunleavy. Grant Hill. Possibly Josh Howard too.

Maybe Przybilla is still in play also given his recent injury history and sub-par performance.

[snively]

We can still offer a three year, $9 million contract to free agents, correct?

Yes, according to Zach Lowe.  I'm just not sure who we can attract for that money.  Kwame Brown, Jeff Foster, Troy Murphy...

[snively]

So that gives the C's three options

(1) Sign Jeff Green and Glen Davis and lose the MLE
(2) Sign Glen Davis ($3mil or under) and an MLE signing and lose Jeff Green
(3) Use the MLE, jettison Glen Davis and lose Jeff Green

Option two looks the most fruitful short term option.

Wait, I am confused. The article states the full midlevel several times.

Does that mean that that mini-midlevel exception is still in the deal? That the C's would get that if they signed G.Davis and J.Green?

I am having trouble finding out whether that still exists or not.

From what I gleaned from that author's twitter, all teams get an MLE to use each year, but if you're on the verge of crossing the $4 mil over the tax threshold, the MLE gets reduced to $3 mil. 

So it's a case of Green, Baby + $3 mil MLE vs $5+ MLE. no Green, and maybe Baby on the cheap.

I think the $3 million rules the C's out of the top wings and Kwame/Landry/Foster.

With Kenyon Martin in China until March, late season signing, it probably wouldn't matter much to him. It should also be enough for someone like Chuck Hayes or Mike Dunleavy. Grant Hill. Possibly Josh Howard too.

Maybe Przybilla is still in play also given his recent injury history and sub-par performance.

You think Foster's a full MLE guy?  I thought he had some fairly significant injury concerns to go along with his age.  Don't follow the Pacers much though.

Hayes is my favorite target for his combination of defense, rebounding and restraint.

[Kane3387]

I think our best bet is to resign our main free agents and just use the lesser MLE to grab a center.

we arent going to find players at 2 positions with the calibar of  Green/BBD with the full MLE

and with a shortened offseason/crammed schedule(I am guessing) we are going to need Green to play extended minutes in the regular season

I agree with this. I want to give Jeff Green a full season in Boston before we cut him loose.

[Who]

So that gives the C's three options

(1) Sign Jeff Green and Glen Davis and lose the MLE
(2) Sign Glen Davis ($3mil or under) and an MLE signing and lose Jeff Green
(3) Use the MLE, jettison Glen Davis and lose Jeff Green

Option two looks the most fruitful short term option.

Wait, I am confused. The article states the full midlevel several times.

Does that mean that that mini-midlevel exception is still in the deal? That the C's would get that if they signed G.Davis and J.Green?

I am having trouble finding out whether that still exists or not.

From what I gleaned from that author's twitter, all teams get an MLE to use each year, but if you're on the verge of crossing the $4 mil over the tax threshold, the MLE gets reduced to $3 mil. 

So it's a case of Green, Baby + $3 mil MLE vs $5+ MLE. no Green, and maybe Baby on the cheap.

I think the $3 million rules the C's out of the top wings and Kwame/Landry/Foster.

With Kenyon Martin in China until March, late season signing, it probably wouldn't matter much to him. It should also be enough for someone like Chuck Hayes or Mike Dunleavy. Grant Hill. Possibly Josh Howard too.

Maybe Przybilla is still in play also given his recent injury history and sub-par performance.

You think Foster's a full MLE guy?  I thought he had some fairly significant injury concerns to go along with his age.  Don't follow the Pacers much though.

Hayes is my favorite target for his combination of defense, rebounding and restraint.

Yeah, I am not clear on his injury problems either.

It was his back, right? Not sure what shape that is in. I could be underestimating that. 

My expectations for Foster ... is for Indiana to offer a two year $4-5 million per year deal. I think it'll be pretty tough to pry him away from there. He is very loyal to that organization as are they to him.

I would be very surprised if they didn't make him a solid offer (especially given the weak FA options for their cap space) + I struggle to see Foster leaving there without there being a large difference in pay. So if it's anyways competitive - and I expect their offer will be that - Foster will stay in Indiana.

Hence, I don't see a $3million per year deal being enough.

[Kane3387]

Just read the article. I am sure there is more to it then the article lists out, but according to the article it sounded like Boston could sign and trade BBD maybe for a pick and a very low salary. After doing so they might still have enough flexibility to use the full MLE and bring back Jeff Green.

If it's even possible it's probably improbable. Still if it is possible it shows there might be more the Celtics can do as far bringing back their own guys an getting the full MLE. I for one don't wanna see Green go before this year. I value him more then I do BBD and doubt we can get a guy for the full MLE that brings more to the table then Jeff Green has the potential to do.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view.bg?articleid=1383144&format=text

I want to see what Green can do this year.

[snively]

Just read the article. I am sure there is more to it then the article lists out, but according to the article it sounded like Boston could sign and trade BBD maybe for a pick and a very low salary. After doing so they might still have enough flexibility to use the full MLE and bring back Jeff Green.

If it's even possible it's probably improbable. Still if it is possible it shows there might be more the Celtics can do as far bringing back their own guys an getting the full MLE. I for one don't wanna see Green go before this year. I value him more then I do BBD and doubt we can get a guy for the full MLE that brings more to the table then Jeff Green has the potential to do.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view.bg?articleid=1383144&format=text

I want to see what Green can do this year.

Regardless of what we do with Baby, keeping Jeff Green would preclude us from getting the full MLE (assuming a tax threshold of $70 mil).  His QO is $6 mil. 

I am sympathetic to keeping him though.  I think he can be more productive for us than he was last year (either better offensively as a back-up 4 or better defensively/rebounding as a power 3).  I just hate that the offseason forces are combining him as a package deal with Baby.  They are a terrible combination (Green doesn't balance any of Baby's weaknesses, and Baby is too ball-dominant to allow Green to take the reigns offensively).

[Kane3387]

Just read the article. I am sure there is more to it then the article lists out, but according to the article it sounded like Boston could sign and trade BBD maybe for a pick and a very low salary. After doing so they might still have enough flexibility to use the full MLE and bring back Jeff Green.

If it's even possible it's probably improbable. Still if it is possible it shows there might be more the Celtics can do as far bringing back their own guys an getting the full MLE. I for one don't wanna see Green go before this year. I value him more then I do BBD and doubt we can get a guy for the full MLE that brings more to the table then Jeff Green has the potential to do.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view.bg?articleid=1383144&format=text

I want to see what Green can do this year.

Regardless of what we do with Baby, keeping Jeff Green would preclude us from getting the full MLE (assuming a tax threshold of $70 mil).  His QO is $6 mil. 

I am sympathetic to keeping him though.  I think he can be more productive for us than he was last year (either better offensively as a back-up 4 or better defensively/rebounding as a power 3).  I just hate that the offseason forces are combining him as a package deal with Baby.  They are a terrible combination (Green doesn't balance any of Baby's weaknesses, and Baby is too ball-dominant to allow Green to take the reigns offensively).

Well I am hoping that Green will become more ball dominant himself. That what's I took away from the link above. Sounds like he understands he has the green light to be more aggressive and intends to do so. If we can get the BBD we got the first 50 games of the season last year then I think him and Green would be very effective off the bench.

[Liam W]

Id take Vince Carter for the Minimum as he is 34 and he really aint worth a penny more at this stage in his career

He would provide scoring off the bench which was needed last season

Id love to see Arroyo, West, Murphy + Green all return to Boston

I cant wait till Free Agency opens December 9th!

[Celtics18]

Id take Vince Carter for the Minimum as he is 34 and he really aint worth a penny more at this stage in his career

He would provide scoring off the bench which was needed last season

Id love to see Arroyo, West, Murphy + Green all return to Boston

I cant wait till Free Agency opens December 9th!

Hm, Vince Carter for the minimum?  I'd prefer T-Mac at the same price.

[BASS_THUMPER]

vince carter

half man half a season

and t mac got back problems

pass on both

[goCeltics]

Assuming they use the amnesty on jermaine, they should be around 62 mill in cap level without green & baby

Note that according to reports the tax levels (58 & 70 mill) can't come down the first two years (see http://tinyurl.com/7xcz2zn) and you can still offer a full MLE if by signing the player you won't go over the tax level by more than 4 million

Therefore they should have about 7 mill combined to offer green and/or baby and still offer a full MLE , again assuming they use the amnesty on jermaine.

[Celtics18]

vince carter

half man half a season

and t mac got back problems

pass on both

He played almost 1700 minutes in 72 games last year for the Pistons and very quietly performed pretty well.

I'm not completely married to the idea, but signing him for a vet minimum could allow us to let Jeff Green go and spend the cash on shoring up our front line.

It'd be a gamble, I know, but he's only 31 years old, and I think it might be one worth taking.

Anyway, definitely, "no thanks" to Vinsanity. 

[LooseCannon]

Therefore they should have about 7 mill combined to offer green and/or baby and still offer a full MLE , again assuming they use the amnesty on jermaine.

I have doubts that the Celtics can find a center better than Jermaine O'Neal for the full MLE.