The Trade : Celtics or Thunder?

[syfy9]

The haunting trade...it created a chain of events that could have possibly led to our poor performances post-trade and getting knocked out in the playoffs. Thing is, the Thunder didn't improve drastically with Perk's presence.

(A review of the deal)

Thunder get : Nate Robinson and Kendrick Perkins.

Celtics get : Jeff Green, Nenad Krstic, 2012 Clippers 1st round pick.


The Thunder did well in the playoffs, but it was less of Perkins and more of Ibaka scaring off the other teams. Nate Robinson was of little use to them. The team also lost chemistry with Jeff Green. I honestly feel like the Thunder could have gone to at least the finals with Jeff Green. If they had done a different trade to clear space to start Ibaka at C, maybe try trading Harden instead of Green? Move Durant to SG and Green to his natural position at SF, maybe? That would be a devastating line up.


We all know how the Celtics' post-season turned out. All in all, it was not a smart gamble Ainge did. He counted on the O'Neal brothers to be healthy, but instead Mr.Shaq was injured again and our season was over. However, despite what happened last season, we have a brighter future now then what we were before the trade. Our gamble would not be on Shaq being healthy, but Perk re-signing for a decent amount. But then we wouldn't have a JG or a pick.At least now, though, we have a promising player in Green (I think of him like a Rashard Lewis), and a 1st round pick that can help rebuild.

[BASS_THUMPER]

he knew shaq wasnt healthy

he counted on the "big 3"....


and rondo

[manl_lui]

to be honest, I think we got the better deal...

because I think Jeff Green is more athletic and has more potential to be better than he is now...just lacking a bit defense

Perkins on the other hand has shoulder and knee injuries...Jeff Green is the more all around player in my opinion

I mean, I love Perk, and i think he is a Celtic no matter what team he plays for

[BASS_THUMPER]

to be honest, I think we got the better deal...

because I think Jeff Green is more athletic and has more potential to be better than he is now...just lacking a bit defense

Perkins on the other hand has shoulder and knee injuries...Jeff Green is the more all around player in my opinion

I mean, I love Perk, and i think he is a Celtic no matter what team he plays for

thats why we got rid of jefferson...

he ballin now

[chambers]

We made out like Bandits.
The reason for this is because Perk was injured.
If Perk ain't injured then we get hosed with this trade.

Jeff Green has so much upside and potential AND we got Krstic AND the Clippers pick.

People were p---ed at the time but Perk was just never going to be able to do much in the playoffs other than clog the paint.
In fact I feel that JO was better than Perk could ever have been.

We win by far.

Oh,and I think the Thunder are just lucky that Rudy Gay was injured when they played Memphis, because they were down 3-2 at one point.
(Memphis are my West Coast finalists this year)

[manl_lui]

We made out like Bandits.
The reason for this is because Perk was injured.
If Perk ain't injured then we get hosed with this trade.

Jeff Green has so much upside and potential AND we got Krstic AND the Clippers pick.

People were p---ed at the time but Perk was just never going to be able to do much in the playoffs other than clog the paint.
In fact I feel that JO was better than Perk could ever have been.

We win by far.

Oh,and I think the Thunder are just lucky that Rudy Gay was injured when they played Memphis, because they were down 3-2 at one point.
(Memphis are my West Coast finalists this year)

to be honest, I think that if Marquis NEVER got injured in the Magic game, we wouldn't have traded away Perk...

remember Danny's excuse was not wanting to pay Perk that much money and to find a backup for Paul Pierce...

but yeh, JO was a better player all around than Perk, he had an ok jump shot, post, and just a bit lower defense ability than perk...but both are injury prone

Kristic didn't disappoint much, though I think he shoulve been given more minutes than BBD since he disappeared during the playoffs

[Inside-Out]

JG is a solid #3 option on a contender, IMO. 

Trading a #5 option/role player/defensive specialist for a #3 option PLUS a Clippers pick?

Brilliant!

[jdub1660]

I gotta go with OKC
As long as Perk gets to play within himself(as a Center should these days of the NBA) he can be just as productive as he was our 0708 championship run.

Looking at teams like Detroit and San Antonio, they had decent Cs that would rebound, play hard D, and make open dunks. Perk can do that.

Jeff Green has TONS of POTENTIAL, but so does Jujuan Johnson, and so did Gerald Green and Mark Blount...

I think trading Perk for Harden would've made better sense for both teams.
He could've played both guard positions and SF and truly took on the position of 6th man for us.
Then as another poster said for OKC, slide Durant down to SG and Green SF and they'd have the best possible young lineup int he league with Westbrook,KD,Gree,Ibaka,Perk

[DavorCroatiaFan]

The winner of this trade can't be known before we know who the player of Clippers pick is. So far is 50:50.

[manl_lui]

The winner of this trade can't be known before we know who the player of Clippers pick is. So far is 50:50.

even then, we still don't know until we draft the player and see how he turns out OR, we trade him and land some star

[2short]

If Krstic didn't head back to europe its no contest, celtics by far.  We got 2 players in green & nenad who could start for many teams.  We gave up (read & think) our 3rd best center when/if jermaine & shaq were healthy.  Yes Perk is younger and a GREAT low post defender. 
With Krstic gone I'd say Celtics still get the better deal as Perk actually didn't look good for them and you could argue hurt there play when in, Green I guess looked roughly the same.  His upside to me is far beyond Perk.  We've seen the best Perk can do, he's limited and honestly on a good team he is a backup center.  Nate did little for OKC, he's a spark plug but no eddie by far (except he CAN dribble)
The draft pick...mr ainge this is the icing.  Perk & his agent were talking top dollar for a man at his level.  We are going to get a very good draft pick that can be signed to rookie deal.  He has also left us with good cap room with expiring deals and timing to go after top level free agents.
I'm still wondering why ANYONE thinks trading Perk wasn't a great deal 

[csfansince60s]

 We've seen the best Perk can do, he's limited and honestly on a good team he is a backup center.  Nate did little for OKC, he's a spark plug but no eddie by far (except he CAN dribble)
The draft pick...mr ainge this is the icing.  Perk & his agent were talking top dollar for a man at his level.  We are going to get a very good draft pick that can be signed to rookie deal.  He has also left us with good cap room with expiring deals and timing to go after top level free agents.
I'm still wondering why ANYONE thinks trading Perk wasn't a great deal  

+1 2short....as you alluded to, even if we didn't get the Clipper draft pick, which could be some real sweet starter-type icing or a valuable trade chip to get a piece we need, we still got the better of this deal:

1. Perkins was damaged goods last year right to the end of the season and to me it was highly unlikely he could've made a big impact for us, despite his romanticized, inflated value that so many have attributed to him. Also..

2. We could NEVER have signed him at the end of the season. As a matter of fact, it was highly likely that he would have ended up in OKC anyway, and what would we have gotten?....NADA

3. There are a lot of miles on Perk, despite his young age: knees, shoulder, etc.

4. Green is 25 years young, versatile, athletic, healthy and intelligent, all things that Perkins is not. And as an RFA, we most likely will have him this year, if there is a this year.

As an aside,if Rondo hadn't pouted for the rest of the season because his BFF was traded away and been more professional, maybe he would've been more interested in playing up to his potential and our seed would've been better.

Maybe we should've thrown Rondo in the trade and gotten Westbrook and either Harden or Ibaka.

I think Rondo is very high maintenance.

[Interceptor]

My humble opinion, OKC and BOS both "won" the trade, in that they got back better than what they gave. That's the only measuring stick that ultimately matters for either team. They got the defensive C that they needed, we got the young wing that we needed, and Nate/pick are just gravy that'd be nice if they work out.

[bfrombleacher]

As an aside,if Rondo hadn't pouted for the rest of the season because his BFF was traded away and been more professional, maybe he would've been more interested in playing up to his potential and our seed would've been better.

Maybe we should've thrown Rondo in the trade and gotten Westbrook and either Harden or Ibaka.

I think Rondo is very high maintenance.

There were foot injuries as well according to KG. He did have that crazy game with one arm. His heart lies in Boston (resigned with that team friendly contract) and he plays his heart out so I have his back no matter what.

The trade will depend on how Green pans out, especially considering that we've never seen him play to his potential in OKC. I think he'd do real good being a more prioritized offensive option in Boston. Until then, I'd say its a wash since Perk also had to acclimate to OKC. I agree with the others when they say Green's ceiling is higher than Perk's but you just hate seeing him go after he worked so hard to come back and went through so much with us.

[Celtics4ever]

Neither side won.  Perk is damaged goods and they didn't go far in the playoffs.  Krstic walked out on us and who knows what we will get out of Green.  If Green pans out we win.