Is there a Tebow double standard, and if so what is it?

[Eja117]

I guess it's a combo of factors.

I think if he was a 3rd rounder people wouldn't care as much.

I think NFL types are ticked that he breaks the rules. Basically McDaniels said "Screw it. I'm drafting on intangibles".

But what would you rather do? Draft off the chart talent with no or poor intangibles (Jeff George/Ryan Leaf)

or draft subpar talent with off the charts intangibles (Tebow)

What was Brady?

I think NFL guys are very invested in him failing. They've all told us he has talent issues (Ruuuunnnn! He has a hitch!) and that the NFL will catch up to the option. The more he succeeds in spite of their warnings the more they look like they have no idea what they're talking about.

It ticks me off cause NFL types never take responsibility for their dumb mistakes. You never hear an NFL guy say "I was an idiot to think Ryan Leaf could be good. We ALL thought Leaf would be good. Heath Shuler too! And Tim Couch"

They just say "bust" like it's some destined funny thing.

They also never say "I was an idiot to underrate Doug Flutie. All the signs were there!"

They never explain the lesson to be learned because they never learn the lesson.

[Roy H.]

I think Tebow picks up a lot of fans due to his outspoken Christianity, and he turns off an equal number of fans.  Additionally, there are a lot of fans and analysts who think he was picked too high, and that his game won't translate, and those fans and analysts have a rooting interest in seeing him fail.

So, overall, I'd say there's a slight negative bias.  However, I think people are starting to root for him, in a Rudy sort of way.  Tebow lacks arm strength, technique, and accuracy, but he's got heart.  People will gravitate toward that.

[Eja117]

I feel like Tebow is Farve in reverse.  We were told for years how great Brett was, then Brett bought into his own hype and decided he was bigger than the game.  Too cool for training camp. Too cool to run plays. Just get open and I'll find ya.  So by the time he was throwing more INTs than TDs (or at least that's how I remember it) and generally taking dumps on the game and his team it was too late. So the media just continued to tell us everything the man did was a news story.

Oh look. He's mowing his lawn. Oh look. He's throwing to high school kids. Oh look. He said he hasn't made up his mind yet. Oh look. He's getting on a plane.

It was a story alright but it was because it was so pathetic.

Tebow is exact opposite. Look he ate shellfish. The only way he did it was with his incredible heart because he has no stomach. Look. He completed a pass. Really quite amazing because he has no NFL ability to do such a thing. Look. He crossed the street. He must have used his amazing running ability because he can't read a defense or be expected to look both ways first. How is he doing this? In the good Lord's name how is it all possible?

[wdleehi]

I think Tebow is a fine guy. 



I don't think he is a starting level QB if you want to be successful.  (Which in the NFL means able to win a Super Bowl)




Just because a fan doesn't believe in a guys skill level to play a certain position doesn't mean he has something against the guy.

[wdleehi]

We could start a poll asking why some fans support Tebow so much and come up with a similarly silly list of reasons. 

[Donoghus]

I don't think so.

I just think the "double standard" is something come up by Tebow supporters to go after those who actually doubt the skills of Tebow or see limitations of where his abilities can take a team in the NFL.

[Fafnir]

No, similar things were said about Vince Young and the way he played the game.

Tebow's glorification at Florida (for his play and his outspoken religous/social views) merely makes him higher profile.

He's lead an offense thats putting up around what, 10 points a game? That's not the formula for winning in the NFL, your defense isn't going to score defensive TDs or keep other teams from scoring 21 to 30 points.

[Eja117]

We could start a poll asking why some fans support Tebow so much and come up with a similarly silly list of reasons. 

I did my best. That's why I added he was being treated fairly and they there are double standards for him and stuff.

I'd welcome a different poll. These polls are kinda hard to make sometimes, actually

[Eja117]

No, similar things were said about Vince Young and the way he played the game.

Tebow's glorification at Florida (for his play and his outspoken religous/social views) merely makes him higher profile.

That's a very interesting point.  I forgot all about Young.  If I remember correctly the debate that year was Young vs Leinart and Young won out based on intangibles.

[Fafnir]

We could start a poll asking why some fans support Tebow so much and come up with a similarly silly list of reasons. 

I did my best. That's why I added he was being treated fairly and they there are double standards for him and stuff.

I'd welcome a different poll. These polls are kinda hard to make sometimes, actually

You make too many options on your polls, often for the purpose of making jokes, but in this case you tried to include too much of a gradient.

You're better off asking "rate on a scale of 1 to 5" on one question or just putting highly agree, somewhat agree, no opinion, somewhat disagree, strongly disagree.

[Fafnir]

No, similar things were said about Vince Young and the way he played the game.

Tebow's glorification at Florida (for his play and his outspoken religous/social views) merely makes him higher profile.

That's a very interesting point.  I forgot all about Young.  If I remember correctly the debate that year was Young vs Leinart and Young won out based on intangibles.

And then Jay Cutler ended up being the best QB in of the high picks. (Though even he hasn't been elite)

BTW Young has terrible intangibles, he just won a lot of games. People see winning an think "intangibles" too often.

[Eja117]

We could start a poll asking why some fans support Tebow so much and come up with a similarly silly list of reasons. 

I did my best. That's why I added he was being treated fairly and they there are double standards for him and stuff.

I'd welcome a different poll. These polls are kinda hard to make sometimes, actually

You make too many options on your polls, often for the purpose of making jokes, but in this case you tried to include too much of a gradient.

You're better off asking "rate on a scale of 1 to 5" on one question or just putting highly agree, somewhat agree, no opinion, somewhat disagree, strongly disagree.

I found this one even harder than usual because I felt there could be multiple mutually exclusive truths. I should have done pick all that apply

[Donoghus]

No, similar things were said about Vince Young and the way he played the game.

Tebow's glorification at Florida (for his play and his outspoken religous/social views) merely makes him higher profile.

That's a very interesting point.  I forgot all about Young.  If I remember correctly the debate that year was Young vs Leinart and Young won out based on intangibles.

And then Jay Cutler ended up being the best QB in of the high picks. (Though even he hasn't been elite)

BTW Young has terrible intangibles, he just won a lot of games. People see winning an think "intangibles" too often.

With Young, people put waaaay too much stock in that BCS Title Game against USC.

[PosImpos]

i don't see the double standard . . . when quarterbacks win, people are willing to overlook their weaknesses despite the winning (see: Sanchez, Mark).  when they lose, the scrutiny goes up.  

i think people had every reason to be skeptical of tebow coming into the league, given that he hasn't shown any ability to succeed as a passing quarterback and the league is currently so pass-oriented.  now that he's finding ways to win games, the criticism has been replaced by amused astonishment and reserved praise.  

tebow may be winning games right now, but he's doing so in an unsustainable way.  if teams led by michael vick and vince young can't sustain success with a scrambling qb with questionable throwing mechanics, i don't see how Tebow, who is a shorter, less athletic, poorer-throwing version of those QBs, can expect to sustain his team's success.

tebow may have elite intangibles, but that's the only thing elite about him.  if he develops into a credible passer (i.e. mark sanchez / matt cassell / alex smith level), then he could be a starting QB in the league for a while.  so far, though, he hasn't shown much signs that he'll even get there.  as long as his teams keep playing him in an option offense, there's not much hope that he'll develop that passing ability, either.

No, similar things were said about Vince Young and the way he played the game.

Tebow's glorification at Florida (for his play and his outspoken religous/social views) merely makes him higher profile.

That's a very interesting point.  I forgot all about Young.  If I remember correctly the debate that year was Young vs Leinart and Young won out based on intangibles.

And then Jay Cutler ended up being the best QB in of the high picks. (Though even he hasn't been elite)

in fairness to cutler, at this point he's pretty close to an elite QB as long as he has an O-line that doesn't allow him to be sacked 5 times a game.

[Fafnir]

No, similar things were said about Vince Young and the way he played the game.

Tebow's glorification at Florida (for his play and his outspoken religous/social views) merely makes him higher profile.

That's a very interesting point.  I forgot all about Young.  If I remember correctly the debate that year was Young vs Leinart and Young won out based on intangibles.

And then Jay Cutler ended up being the best QB in of the high picks. (Though even he hasn't been elite)

in fairness to cutler, at this point he's pretty close to an elite QB as long as he has an O-line that doesn't allow him to be sacked 5 times a game.

I'm a huge Bears fan and I like Cutler an awful lot both in Denver and in Chicago. But he still makes too many mistakes (ie bad decisions) for me to put him into the elite category. In the NFL where there are only 3-5 truly elite QBs out there he's still a franchise level QB based on what he does/can do.

Physically he's as talented as Newton/Rodgers/Anyone you'd like to name. But he just makes awful decisions too often....