Troy Murphy > Glen Davis

[perks-a-beast]

I personally believe that Glens days as a celtic are over. I, for one think that he is a very talented and versatile player but i don't believe he's a good fit for this celtic team. Glens a guy who could easily be putting up 15 to 20 a night with the Cavs or the Kings but at this stage in his career he doesnt have what can even be close to being described as a championship mentality. Real winners don't go from outstanding regular seasons to averaging 3 points a game and practically disappearing for his team in the playoffs
(in a contract year, nonetheless!). It just wouldn't be a good idea for the celtics to have Glen on board for such a crucial season given his mentality and lack of team play is what i'm trying to say.
With that said i think Troy Murphy is a better fit for this ball club. He spreads the floor, has a knack for grabbing rebounds and overall is a great offensive option in or outside the post area. He knows the system and i would think he'd be cheaper than Davis and would be all for a one year deal which would leave the Celtics with more options for the 2012 offseason. Murphy may have lost a step but Cleveland pressed hard to get him 2 years ago so he cant be that bad. He could take alot of weight off KG and Jermaines old man legs by getting 20-25 mins. a night at the 4/5 spot.

What do y'all think?

[dark_lord]

I personally believe that Glens days as a celtic are over. I, for one think that he is a very talented and versatile player but i don't believe he's a good fit for this celtic team. Glens a guy who could easily be putting up 15 to 20 a night with the Cavs or the Kings but at this stage in his career he doesnt have what can even be close to being described as a championship mentality. Real winners don't go from outstanding regular seasons to averaging 3 points a game and practically disappearing for his team in the playoffs
(in a contract year, nonetheless!). It just wouldn't be a good idea for the celtics to have Glen on board for such a crucial season given his mentality and lack of team play is what i'm trying to say.
With that said i think Troy Murphy is a better fit for this ball club. He spreads the floor, has a knack for grabbing rebounds and overall is a great offensive option in or outside the post area. He knows the system and i would think he'd be cheaper than Davis and would be all for a one year deal which would leave the Celtics with more options for the 2012 offseason. Murphy may have lost a step but Cleveland pressed hard to get him 2 years ago so he cant be that bad. He could take alot of weight off KG and Jermaines old man legs by getting 20-25 mins. a night at the 4/5 spot.

What do y'all think?

did you watch murphy play last year?!

as much as bbd might frustrate some fans, he is better than murphy.

not to mention bbd has been durable each year, which is a huge asset on an older team

[bfrombleacher]

I personally believe that Glens days as a celtic are over. I, for one think that he is a very talented and versatile player but i don't believe he's a good fit for this celtic team. Glens a guy who could easily be putting up 15 to 20 a night with the Cavs or the Kings but at this stage in his career he doesnt have what can even be close to being described as a championship mentality. Real winners don't go from outstanding regular seasons to averaging 3 points a game and practically disappearing for his team in the playoffs
(in a contract year, nonetheless!). It just wouldn't be a good idea for the celtics to have Glen on board for such a crucial season given his mentality and lack of team play is what i'm trying to say.
With that said i think Troy Murphy is a better fit for this ball club. He spreads the floor, has a knack for grabbing rebounds and overall is a great offensive option in or outside the post area. He knows the system and i would think he'd be cheaper than Davis and would be all for a one year deal which would leave the Celtics with more options for the 2012 offseason. Murphy may have lost a step but Cleveland pressed hard to get him 2 years ago so he cant be that bad. He could take alot of weight off KG and Jermaines old man legs by getting 20-25 mins. a night at the 4/5 spot.

What do y'all think?

did you watch murphy play last year?!

as much as bbd might frustrate some fans, he is better than murphy.

not to mention bbd has been durable each year, which is a huge asset on an older team

His durability was also put in question though with that injury. His weight will come back to haunt him.

[LB3533]

Troy Murphy has had a better career than BBD, but he was NOT better than BBD last season.

Going forward, I would bet money on BBD to be the more productive and effective player than Troy.

[JSD]

Yeah, Murphy looked like he forgot how to play basketball when he got here. But to be fair he didn't have a training camp. He'd barely have one this year if the C's brought him back too.

"No thanks" to either one as far as I'm concerned.

[greg683x]

With the edition of the rookie Johnson, you can get rid of them both and bring back Scal and I'd be happy.

Not to say that JaJuan with be able to contribute significant minutes, but I'd rather have guys around that can teach him the proper rotations on defense, how to be unselfish on offense, and conduct himself as a professional on and off the court.

[Roy H.]

If Murphy bounces back, he's better offensively and in terms of rebounding.  However, he'll never be near BBD's level of defense.

[LooseCannon]

Troy Murphy has had a better career than BBD, but he was NOT better than BBD last season.

Going forward, I would bet money on BBD to be the more productive and effective player than Troy.

It depends.  Murphy had limited minutes as a Celtic, but in their time with Boston last season, PER has Davis as better but WS/48 has Murphy better.

At this point, I'd be willing to say Murphy would be a better center than Davis, but Big Baby would be a better power forward.  What do the Celtics need more, a reserve center or a reserve power forward?  Can the Celtics get a better center than either for the minimum?  Would Ainge have to dip into whatever form the MLE takes in order to retain Murphy?

Murphy has a career 38.9% three-point percentage and 16.0% rebounding percentage.  Those numbers dipped to 15.2% and 14.5% combined for NJ/BOS last season (BBD's rebounding percentage was 11.4). If I felt that Murphy's rebounding would not deteriorate further and that his shot would return sufficiently so that he was shooting at least 33-35% from behind the arc, then I think he is a better short-term solution, while Davis is not good enough to be part of long-term plans.

[cman88]

With the edition of the rookie Johnson, you can get rid of them both and bring back Scal and I'd be happy.

Not to say that JaJuan with be able to contribute significant minutes, but I'd rather have guys around that can teach him the proper rotations on defense, how to be unselfish on offense, and conduct himself as a professional on and off the court.

I would trust JaJuan Johnson taking jumpers over BBD anyday...since by all accounts hes a good shooter with NBA range already.

[Yogi]

   Glen Davis is a special athlete.  Not too many guys can choose to  play for two different sports professionally.  He's improved every year he's been in the league.  There is no reason to doubt that he's going to improve again next year.  He also has a lot of chemistry with the starters, those 5 being one of the best units on the floor for the entire league.  
   He's always been tough, plays on both ends of the floor, stepped up on big moments.  We shouldn't be so short sighted that one slump during a contract year, for a very young player is enough to give up on him.  

[perks-a-beast]

The title may have been misleading. By "Troy Murphy > Glen Davis" i meant as a fit for the team. I acknoledge that Glen is probably a better player right now but that doesn't necissarily mean he's a better fit. I'll take a savy veteran who can rebound and score over an over weight, trigger happy, under sized forward any day. Murphy also addresses two positions for the celtics. At 6'7, i'm not convinced that Big Baby can be a center. Also, according to Shaq Big Baby is a chemistry problem. You can question Shaq's reliablity all you want but i don't see why he'd make it up.

There's no question that Murphy was rattled by that injury last year not to mention he was trying to rush learning Doc's offensive system so he never really had time to find his groove. If the injury is healed and he can get a training camp with this team under his belt then i'm liking his chances of getting back to the players he was 2 years ago, averaging 15 and 10 for the Pacers. He's worth a shot for the right price in my opinion.

[nickagneta]

If Murphy bounces back, he's better offensively and in terms of rebounding.  However, he'll never be near BBD's level of defense.

I agree. If he can get signed to a vet min contract and can turn things around to the point where he is playing at near pre injury level, he would be a steal for any team that signs him.

Of course, that's a pretty significant if.

[ben]

99% NBA players > Glen Davis

[snowball]

I would like to see the Celtics cut the umbilical cord
on Big Baby.
I see him deteriorating as an athlete within
3 years.

[Celtics18]

I'm thinking that if they resolve this ridiculous lockout within the next that the Celtics will do well to be able to sign both Baby and Murphy. 

Both guys clearly have some warts, but if everything goes well, they also both have the talent level to be contributors for this team. 

Despite what seems like the going opinion, if those two guys were our back up big rotation, I would prefer Davis at center and Murphy at power forward.  Despite his lack of height, Baby has shown that he has the bulk and strength to battle legit centers down low.

Offensively, I kind of like that combination.  Murphy's ability to shoot from outside would allow Davis to be more of a pick and roller than a pick and popper, a role that, in my opinion, he plays much better. 

I say that if we have a season and Danny can re-sign Delonte, Green, Baby, and Murphy, I'll be thrilled about this team's chances.