Shaq discusses Glen Davis' selfishness

[mmmmm]

Red's Army did an article on this situation: http://www.redsarmy.com/home/2011/11/the-big-shennanigan.html

Proof that Shaq's stories are very bogus.

Seeing him lie to people so blatantly really makes me lose respect for Shaq.

I don't want to defend Shaq on this - because he's definitely had a history of 'selective memory' and throwing former teammates under the bus.

However, in this case, the basic problem he is 'recollecting' is one that many of us observed and pointed out repeatedly since around mid-season, if not earlier.

So even if Shaq is making up the details of the specific event out of thin air (highly likely) the fact is, Davis DID often hurt this team with unwise shot selection.

[CelticsFanNC]

  Questioning Shaq's credibility, while being a realistic stance to take almost anytime he opens his mouth still doesn't excuse Glen Davis of being a selfish player who is out to get his.

  Glen Davis' obvious "me first" attitude on and off the court is completely contradictory to how the Boston Celtic's have set the standard for team play and due to that they have been the most successful team in NBA history.

  Let him get his pay day and shots elsewhere.   I think if he ever gets a decent pay day that makes him financially secure he will become unmotivated and he will eat himself out of the NBA.

 I have seen more then enough of Glen Davis in a Celtic's uniform.

[makaveli]

I think that the contract situation really influenced him, I hope he gets a 3 year deal WITH THE CELTICS...remember, he led the league by a landslide in charges if first 30 game, I taught very highly of him and still I do.
I hope he lost 15-20 pounds and cleared his head a little bit, really that's the best he could have done this LONG off season

[Finkelskyhook]

I think that the contract situation really influenced him, I hope he gets a 3 year deal WITH THE CELTICS...remember, he led the league by a landslide in charges if first 30 game, I taught very highly of him and still I do.
I hope he lost 15-20 pounds and cleared his head a little bit, really that's the best he could have done this LONG off season

That is a disgusting statistic.  Leading the league in flopping (cheating) is nothing to hang one's hat on.  He should have led the league in technicals for all of the flopping he did last season.  If Stern had any conviction, he'd have had the balls to address this as he said he would.

If he lost 15-20 lbs, Davis would be lucky to make an NBA roster.  His bulk is his only asset at his height.  He could lose 50 lbs and still be too slow to play SF.

Davis was exposed because one O'Neal was too out of shape and injured and the other was too out of shape and "injured".  Davis is a 7-8-9th man on a title contending team.  He's not nearly as bad as some in here portray him...But he's not nearly tall enough to play 30ppg at PF and center for said team.

Had Shaq amd Jermaine showed up in any semblence of shape this discussion wouldn't be occurring. 

Shaq should rant about his own selfishness instead of Davis'

[throwedoff]

Not surprised and think this story is true but I notice a lot of posters on here bash Shaq about coming through "outta shape and fat". Hilarious cuz the 1st part of the season he was ballin and even gettin all-star considerations. Look nobody can beat father time and Shaq was 39 years old playing with us I seen somebody say he he was stealing money are you serious? we signed him for the veterans minimum some of you guys amaze me wit some unrealistic expectations of players. P.S. There's no way under any circumstances I would want Glen Davis back I'm still amazed he gained 30 pounds mid-season during his contract year. He's had many instances of losing focus nd makin bad decisions if a season is played let somebody else deal wit him

[Fafnir]

Falling down when someone runs into you isn't cheating, its playing into what the refs will call. Better to fall down than get bulldozed by a player with the ball and get called for the block anyways. That's what happens when a defending player doesn't take the impact and stays upright.

Either that or the offensive player gets away with a travel when he's off balance.

[Finkelskyhook]

Not surprised and think this story is true but I notice a lot of posters on here bash Shaq about coming through "outta shape and fat". Hilarious cuz the 1st part of the season he was ballin and even gettin all-star considerations. Look nobody can beat father time and Shaq was 39 years old playing with us I seen somebody say he he was stealing money are you serious? we signed him for the veterans minimum some of you guys amaze me wit some unrealistic expectations of players. P.S. There's no way under any circumstances I would want Glen Davis back I'm still amazed he gained 30 pounds mid-season during his contract year. He's had many instances of losing focus nd makin bad decisions if a season is played let somebody else deal wit him

Are you saying O'Neal started the season in shape?  Please  Had he come in in remotely decent shape he wouldn't have been dealing with the nagging injuries he dealt with while playing barely 20mpg over less than half a season.

Falling down when someone runs into you isn't cheating, its playing into what the refs will call. Better to fall down than get bulldozed by a player with the ball and get called for the block anyways. That's what happens when a defending player doesn't take the impact and stays upright.

Either that or the offensive player gets away with a travel when he's off balance.

Davis acts like he was bulldozed when somebody half his size runs into him.  That's disgusting and cheating....Puts Davis in a class with sleazballs like Derek Fisher and Turkodudo.

I really don't much care if that's "playing into what the refs will call".  It's crappy basketball and it discredits the game.  In allowing this type of silliness, Stern has pussified the game.  When the players policed themselves, a Karl Malone or Maurice Lucas...etc would have given Davis a reason to hit the floor the first time he celebrated a flop.

[throwedoff]

Not surprised and think this story is true but I notice a lot of posters on here bash Shaq about coming through "outta shape and fat". Hilarious cuz the 1st part of the season he was ballin and even gettin all-star considerations. Look nobody can beat father time and Shaq was 39 years old playing with us I seen somebody say he he was stealing money are you serious? we signed him for the veterans minimum some of you guys amaze me wit some unrealistic expectations of players. P.S. There's no way under any circumstances I would want Glen Davis back I'm still amazed he gained 30 pounds mid-season during his contract year. He's had many instances of losing focus nd makin bad decisions if a season is played let somebody else deal wit him

Are you saying O'Neal started the season in shape?  Please  Had he come in in remotely decent shape he wouldn't have been dealing with the nagging injuries he dealt with while playing barely 20mpg over less than half a season.

Falling down when someone runs into you isn't cheating, its playing into what the refs will call. Better to fall down than get bulldozed by a player with the ball and get called for the block anyways. That's what happens when a defending player doesn't take the impact and stays upright.

Either that or the offensive player gets away with a travel when he's off balance.

Davis acts like he was bulldozed when somebody half his size runs into him.  That's disgusting and cheating....Puts Davis in a class with sleazballs like Derek Fisher and Turkodudo.

I really don't much care if that's "playing into what the refs will call".  It's crappy basketball and it discredits the game.  In allowing this type of silliness, Stern has pussified the game.  When the players policed themselves, a Karl Malone or Maurice Lucas...etc would have given Davis a reason to hit the floor the first time he celebrated a flop.

Nah I'm just sayin he wasn't in as bad of shape as you guys think. You gotta remember he's 39 and one of the most beat up players in NBA History (Hack a Shaq) that might have had to do sumthin with nagging injuries bruh

[Finkelskyhook]

Respectfully, that Shaq was beat up doesn't excuse that he started the season looking more like Shaquille Sweetney than Shaquille O'Neal.

That's the same lack of dicipline that as Nickagneta pointed out....Made the career of what could have been one of the greatest players ever much lesser than it should have been. ..

I also think these comments throwing players under the bus every time he departs a team diminishes his legacy as a player and a person.

[throwedoff]

Respectfully, that Shaq was beat up doesn't excuse that he started the season looking more like Shaquille Sweetney than Shaquille O'Neal.

That's the same lack of dicipline that as Nickagneta pointed out....Made the career of what could have been one of the greatest players ever much lesser than it should have been. ..

I also think these comments throwing players under the bus every time he departs a team diminishes his legacy as a player and a person.

I LOL'D at the bolded c'mon bruh he averaged 13 ppg for us in the first 25 games of the season you have a selective memory and I agree Shaq coulda been a lor better but he took advantage of his size and it's crazy he's 5th all-time in scoring and has 4 rings and can still be considered an underachiever I think he did all he could to try and contribute to the Celtics but father time got him

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

never heard complaint bout baby shootin till this last playoff run..

when we got that ring he was shootin and hittin

exactly.
He's been a critical member of our line up. Pretty much 6th man of the NBA for a while. Had a horrid stretch last year but so did a lot of our guys.
Shaq is trying to create publicity for his book, and he doesn't mind throwing a few people under the bus to sell a few extra million copies.

Just remember what Glen Davis gave us in the good times and also consider his knee problems last season.
He ain't perfect but for people to say they're pulling their league pass subscriptions if Glen is re-signed is pretty dramatic.
I'll watch every game no matter who we have and I feel like we owe Davis at least one more season of faith.

+1

Had either O'Neal started the season in the shape Davis did,  Davis wouldn't have logged half of the minutes he did....Instead of logging twice as many minutes as both O'Neals combined.  Between the two O'Neals, it looked like they were easily carrying a hundred extra pounds.

Shaq has no credibility here.  Had he been in this for another championship, he'd have come to camp in shape.  He needs to take a long look in a very oversized mirror.  Easy to make stupid comments when you're cashing your checks from the bench.  Hey Shaquille....Davis isn't the player you are....But he's committed enough to work hard enough to actually be in the arena.

Somehow I get the feeling the jovial Shaquille O'Neal, in his hall induction speech, is going to sound the same bitter way Jordan did in his.

Now I wasn't going to comment on this thread b/c I'm biased when it comes to Shaq (even if Shaq didn't say it, I said it MANY times in the chatroom last season)... but this comment got me to put my two cents in...

"Hey Shaquille....Davis isn't the player you are....But he's committed enough to work hard enough to actually be in the arena."

Really? I bet it's easier to be as committed to play as BBD if you are what 25 or so? What was Shaq doing at that age? BBD has weight issues too right now, imagine when he is Shaq's age! Shaq may have been heavier than I would like but when he wasn't injured, were YOU complaining about his play (Shaq was scoring at will, I don't feel like looking up FG%)?!


"Shaq has no credibility here.  Had he been in this for another championship, he'd have come to camp in shape.  He needs to take a long look in a very oversized mirror.  Easy to make stupid comments when you're cashing your checks from the bench.  Hey Shaquille....Davis isn't the player you are....But he's committed enough to work hard enough to actually be in the arena."

Again, REALLY? You obviously know nothing about Shaq b/c he has always come into seasons out of shape (even for his 4 chips), ask KoMe! Doesn't mean he didn't take winning the chip seriously (again, check his 4 rings) b/c he gets his act together when it mattered, the playoffs (sans injury)... heck, the guy needed surgery but he tried everything he could to play anyway. He got surgery just to walk around, you see dude is retired but he still had surgery!


My eyes didn't lie this season, Shaq would be 3-3 or 5-5 and better, MANY times last season yet BBD still was taking more shots than Shaq! I don't care how out of shape he was, when he wasn't injured he was out there busting his butt. Of course it's easy to hate on him b/c he got injured but none of you were complaining about it when he wasn't! Also, Doc said Shaq was in good shape coming into camp, much better than he had expected b4 he got there!!

Shaq didn't say anything more than what MOST people were screaming at the t.v. most of the season!

One more thing, I don't remember the game but I absolutely remember Shaq and BBD arguing during a TO b/c Shaq was pretty much wide open forever and BBD didn't get it to him. I think the reason Doc didn't/wouldn't say anything is b/c he figured they could squash it on their own, especially b/c Shaq is old as hell, been there done that, you would think he and BBD could have handled that small matter (if they couldn't work it out, I'm sure Doc would have chimed in).

[Celtics18]

I think that the contract situation really influenced him, I hope he gets a 3 year deal WITH THE CELTICS...remember, he led the league by a landslide in charges if first 30 game, I taught very highly of him and still I do.
I hope he lost 15-20 pounds and cleared his head a little bit, really that's the best he could have done this LONG off season

That is a disgusting statistic.  Leading the league in flopping (cheating) is nothing to hang one's hat on.  He should have led the league in technicals for all of the flopping he did last season.  If Stern had any conviction, he'd have had the balls to address this as he said he would.

If he lost 15-20 lbs, Davis would be lucky to make an NBA roster.  His bulk is his only asset at his height.  He could lose 50 lbs and still be too slow to play SF.

Davis was exposed because one O'Neal was too out of shape and injured and the other was too out of shape and "injured".  Davis is a 7-8-9th man on a title contending team.  He's not nearly as bad as some in here portray him...But he's not nearly tall enough to play 30ppg at PF and center for said team.

Had Shaq amd Jermaine showed up in any semblence of shape this discussion wouldn't be occurring. 

Shaq should rant about his own selfishness instead of Davis'

I think being a skilled and fearless charge taker is a very good NBA skill.  Davis has his flaws, but his ability to move that large frame into position and get set while an offensive player is rumbling down the lane is very impressive.  It not only takes talent, but an extraordinary amount of physical courage. 

I don't see drawing a charge as cheating in any way.  I see it as good defense. 

He'll never be a shot blocker so he has found another way to be effective as an interior help defender.  He also steps into post passing lanes to get steals and deflections fairly decently. 

All in all, I like Baby more for his defense than his offense, and I think he can be pretty valuable as an off the bench big. 

I understand people's frustration with him, but I just think he takes way too much of a beating by the fans. 

[ben]

never heard complaint bout baby shootin till this last playoff run..

when we got that ring he was shootin and hittin

ummm...  baby barely played any minutes at all when we won the title.  I have complained about baby shootin and all other aspects of his "game" since his rookie year.   Can't stand this player, ashamed he wears green. 

[Inside-Out]

I'm sure BBD's ego is too big to realize that his replacement was drafted in June.

Not a terrible player, but too much ego to fit in his natural backup utility role.  I won't mind watching him walk away.

[GranTur]

Red's Army did an article on this situation: http://www.redsarmy.com/home/2011/11/the-big-shennanigan.html

Proof that Shaq's stories are very bogus.

Seeing him lie to people so blatantly really makes me lose respect for Shaq.

I don't want to defend Shaq on this - because he's definitely had a history of 'selective memory' and throwing former teammates under the bus.

However, in this case, the basic problem he is 'recollecting' is one that many of us observed and pointed out repeatedly since around mid-season, if not earlier.

So even if Shaq is making up the details of the specific event out of thin air (highly likely) the fact is, Davis DID often hurt this team with unwise shot selection.

Be careful to read what I wrote.

I'm not defending Glen Davis' actions as a Celtic. I'm merely stating that Shaq is using bogus stories to hype his book beyond belief.

No matter how immature Glen Davis is, it's egregious to fabricate stories so much like Shaq did there. Glen Davis has made too many poor decisions as an NBA player, however, that gives no right to Shaq to make stories up.

So as I said in my original post, I've lost respect for Shaq because of this.