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Re: Replacement players
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2011, 10:42:15 PM »

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Where can I sign up for tryouts? I can wear my Scalabrini jersey.

u wearin scalabrine jersey would be disrespectful...

to even make a "joke" like that proves to me u really dont have game

so u pick yourself up on a person everyone else puts down

*sippin*

That was my point, I don't have game, I was trying to make a joke, not trying to pick myself up at all.

sorry man..

 i get over sensitive when it comes to scal..

but scal does have game..he was the most under appreciated celtic ever



I love Scals way more than the next guy, but I'm pretty sure Tony Allen was the most under-appreciated Celtic ever.
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Re: Replacement players
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2011, 02:00:56 AM »

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Scabs could really make a lot of people happy around here.


I'd be very disappointed in any Celtic fan that got excited about seeing scabs wear the same uniforms once worn by Bob Cousy, Bill Russell, John Havlicek, and Larry Bird...

Re: Replacement players
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2011, 04:05:11 AM »

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If I wanted to see scabs I'd watch someone with Dermatillomania! Is this lockout over yet??? Son of a glitch!!!!! Ugh!!!
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Re: Replacement players
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2011, 08:52:13 AM »

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This is a lockout, not a strike, so replacement players are not an option.  The only way they could use replacement players would be if the union decertified (and even then, I am not positive they could).

This is true when the NBA and NBPA have an active agreement in place.  But since their agreement has expired I believe the NBA can use replacements if it chooses to.  If you recall back in 1998-99, Stern threated the use of replacement players near the deadline for saving the season, and shortly after the players voted to approve the owner's proposal at the time.

Re: Replacement players
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2011, 09:46:06 AM »

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Where can I sign up for tryouts? I can wear my Scalabrini jersey.

+1 for Tony
But I think it was disrespectful of 2k Sports to put Scal as the lowest rated player in 2k12. Even the undrafted nobodies are rated higher...
But I guess that makes it even funnier when the Heat traded LBJ to the Bulls for Scal and change on my friends 2k12 Association(and that was a computer initiated trade) Scal ended up averaging 10ppg in the playoffs LOL


u wearin scalabrine jersey would be disrespectful...

to even make a "joke" like that proves to me u really dont have game

so u pick yourself up on a person everyone else puts down

*sippin*

That was my point, I don't have game, I was trying to make a joke, not trying to pick myself up at all.

sorry man..

 i get over sensitive when it comes to scal..

but scal does have game..he was the most under appreciated celtic ever



I love Scals way more than the next guy, but I'm pretty sure Tony Allen was the most under-appreciated Celtic ever.
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Re: Replacement players
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2011, 10:04:58 AM »

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This is a lockout, not a strike, so replacement players are not an option.  The only way they could use replacement players would be if the union decertified (and even then, I am not positive they could).

This is true when the NBA and NBPA have an active agreement in place.  But since their agreement has expired I believe the NBA can use replacements if it chooses to.  If you recall back in 1998-99, Stern threated the use of replacement players near the deadline for saving the season, and shortly after the players voted to approve the owner's proposal at the time.

I am not sure about 1998-99, but from what I understand, the whole idea of a lockout is that they shut down the league.  They can't then just open up the doors to those who are not part of the union, while they are in a labor dispute with the union. 

Maybe it is possible, but I am sure they will have to jump through some major legal hoops to do it.

More importantly though, I don't think it would make sense financially.  My guess is it would cost them more money to get things up and running with the Scabs, than they would bring in.

Re: Replacement players
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2011, 11:04:29 AM »

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This is a lockout, not a strike, so replacement players are not an option.  The only way they could use replacement players would be if the union decertified (and even then, I am not positive they could).
If the NBA tried to use replacement players and the union decertified they would have a very strong anti-trust case.

Specifically conspiring not to hire out a certain group of employees who aren't part of a union would likely be found in violation.

The only way they could use replacement players would be if the players decided to strike, which given they just want to keep the current CBA's split they'd never do.

Re: Replacement players
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2011, 11:07:02 AM »

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This is a lockout, not a strike, so replacement players are not an option.  The only way they could use replacement players would be if the union decertified (and even then, I am not positive they could).

This is true when the NBA and NBPA have an active agreement in place.  But since their agreement has expired I believe the NBA can use replacements if it chooses to.  If you recall back in 1998-99, Stern threated the use of replacement players near the deadline for saving the season, and shortly after the players voted to approve the owner's proposal at the time.

I am not sure about 1998-99, but from what I understand, the whole idea of a lockout is that they shut down the league.  They can't then just open up the doors to those who are not part of the union, while they are in a labor dispute with the union. 

Maybe it is possible, but I am sure they will have to jump through some major legal hoops to do it.

More importantly though, I don't think it would make sense financially.  My guess is it would cost them more money to get things up and running with the Scabs, than they would bring in.
They'd also open themselves up to a much strong decertification and legal argument.

Plus if the argument is that the NBA can't make money with the curretn stars, I can't imagine they'd make any money at all with replacements. The TV networks wouldn't want ot pay them anything for those games. Sports anchors would just make fun of the highlights and then move on to football after 30 seconds.

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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2011, 12:25:52 PM »

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The TV networks wouldn't want ot pay them anything for those games. Sports anchors would just make fun of the highlights and then move on to football after 30 seconds.

I doubt that on both counts.

ESPN and TNT have too much invested in the NBA to make fun of the product in any capacity.

The difference between the NFL strike's replacement players and the potential NBA's is immense.
There also would be no need for the teams to hire players off the streets to fill their roster.

If they did decertify...The NBDL may be their undoing.  While not a solvent league on it's own, they don't have the brilliance, marketing power and pockets of the NBA owners and Stern...There is some decent talent playing some solid basketball there.  Their play is far from a joke.  I'm sure that there are plenty of NBDL players more than willing to take whatever the NBA minimum is and play as replacement players.  The quality of play is no joke.  

The quality of NBDL play is pretty solid and the fact that the officials actually officiate the game and not the individual players bring an old-time legitimacy to the NBDL game that the current NBA doesn't have.

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Re: Replacement players
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2011, 12:46:01 PM »

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The TV networks wouldn't want ot pay them anything for those games. Sports anchors would just make fun of the highlights and then move on to football after 30 seconds.

I doubt that on both counts.

ESPN and TNT have too much invested in the NBA to make fun of the product in any capacity.

The difference between the NFL strike's replacement players and the potential NBA's is immense.
There also would be no need for the teams to hire players off the streets to fill their roster.

If they did decertify...The NBDL may be their undoing.  While not a solvent league on it's own, they don't have the brilliance, marketing power and pockets of the NBA owners and Stern...There is some decent talent playing some solid basketball there.  Their play is far from a joke.  I'm sure that there are plenty of NBDL players more than willing to take whatever the NBA minimum is and play as replacement players.  The quality of play is no joke.  

The quality of NBDL play is pretty solid and the fact that the officials actually officiate the game and not the individual players bring an old-time legitimacy to the NBDL game that the current NBA doesn't have.


There might be some of the journeyman/fringe players with no other means of support would cross the picket lines, too. Delonte,  Marquis, perhaps, among others? I am just guessing...
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Re: Replacement players
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2011, 04:51:45 PM »

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This is a lockout, not a strike, so replacement players are not an option.  The only way they could use replacement players would be if the union decertified (and even then, I am not positive they could).

This is true when the NBA and NBPA have an active agreement in place.  But since their agreement has expired I believe the NBA can use replacements if it chooses to.  If you recall back in 1998-99, Stern threated the use of replacement players near the deadline for saving the season, and shortly after the players voted to approve the owner's proposal at the time.

I am not sure about 1998-99, but from what I understand, the whole idea of a lockout is that they shut down the league.  They can't then just open up the doors to those who are not part of the union, while they are in a labor dispute with the union. 

Maybe it is possible, but I am sure they will have to jump through some major legal hoops to do it.

More importantly though, I don't think it would make sense financially.  My guess is it would cost them more money to get things up and running with the Scabs, than they would bring in.
They'd also open themselves up to a much strong decertification and legal argument.

Plus if the argument is that the NBA can't make money with the curretn stars, I can't imagine they'd make any money at all with replacements. The TV networks wouldn't want ot pay them anything for those games. Sports anchors would just make fun of the highlights and then move on to football after 30 seconds.

I know none of this is going to happen.  Unless the players union get some brilliant suggestion to decertify.  But I don't see how the teams wouldn't be profitable.  They wouldn't have the enormous overhead of the salaries hanging over their head and they wouldn't be sharing revenues.  Their overhead would be literally a smidgen of what it is now.  I think a lot of fans would be there for the uniform.  If the garden was selling out when we were shamelessly overtly tanking....It's hard for me to fathom that replacement games would produce an empty arena.

I have seen a lot of NBDL games.  A substantial part of the talent dropoff is made up for by the day-in day-out intensity that you don't see in NBA games.  With equal numbers on the rosters, the best NBDL team could beat the worst NBA team on a given night.     

Re: Replacement players
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2011, 04:56:09 PM »

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d league has lot of very talented n hungry ballas

willing and ready to go all out

d league top 12 players could beat a top ten nba team any day

Re: Replacement players
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2011, 04:58:58 PM »

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This is a lockout, not a strike, so replacement players are not an option.  The only way they could use replacement players would be if the union decertified (and even then, I am not positive they could).

This is true when the NBA and NBPA have an active agreement in place.  But since their agreement has expired I believe the NBA can use replacements if it chooses to.  If you recall back in 1998-99, Stern threated the use of replacement players near the deadline for saving the season, and shortly after the players voted to approve the owner's proposal at the time.

I am not sure about 1998-99, but from what I understand, the whole idea of a lockout is that they shut down the league.  They can't then just open up the doors to those who are not part of the union, while they are in a labor dispute with the union. 

Maybe it is possible, but I am sure they will have to jump through some major legal hoops to do it.

More importantly though, I don't think it would make sense financially.  My guess is it would cost them more money to get things up and running with the Scabs, than they would bring in.
They'd also open themselves up to a much strong decertification and legal argument.

Plus if the argument is that the NBA can't make money with the curretn stars, I can't imagine they'd make any money at all with replacements. The TV networks wouldn't want ot pay them anything for those games. Sports anchors would just make fun of the highlights and then move on to football after 30 seconds.

I know none of this is going to happen.  Unless the players union get some brilliant suggestion to decertify.  But I don't see how the teams wouldn't be profitable.  They wouldn't have the enormous overhead of the salaries hanging over their head and they wouldn't be sharing revenues.  Their overhead would be literally a smidgen of what it is now.  I think a lot of fans would be there for the uniform.  If the garden was selling out when we were shamelessly overtly tanking....It's hard for me to fathom that replacement games would produce an empty arena.

I have seen a lot of NBDL games.  A substantial part of the talent dropoff is made up for by the day-in day-out intensity that you don't see in NBA games.  With equal numbers on the rosters, the best NBDL team could beat the worst NBA team on a given night.     

Actually, you are probably right for one reason...season tickets.  At least for teams like the C's, who had a lot of season ticket holders renew for this year, those tickets are already paid for.  If the games are not played, then they have to give refunds, however, there is nothing in there that allows season ticket holders to get refunds if there are replacement players.

So, even if no one shows up, with the lower player salaries, they likely would make a profit, even if its just from the season ticket holders, who have already paid for their tickets.

Of course, that would never happen, but if it did, you are right, they could make a profit in the short-term.

Re: Replacement players
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2011, 05:07:29 PM »

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I have seen a lot of NBDL games.  A substantial part of the talent dropoff is made up for by the day-in day-out intensity that you don't see in NBA games.  With equal numbers on the rosters, the best NBDL team could beat the worst NBA team on a given night.     
I've watched a number of NBDL games, and some of their playoffs too.

Of the good teams in the NBA that aren't tanking for lottery balls I haven't seen any sort of superior effort out of the NBADL.

Just less explosive and less skilled athletes who play worse defense and more simple offensive sets.