Carson Palmer to Raiders

[wdleehi]

Btw, Raiders now don't have a pick in the first 4 rounds of next year's draft.

Yep and 3 of them went to 3 different QB's

That is amazing. Oh well. If at first you don't succeed trade trade trade

To be fair, Campbell got hurt and Pryor is a big time project, which they knew when they took him.

Add in Boller and JaMarcus Russell and you have just so much QB futility in so interesting a period of time.

And people make fun of Denver for drafting Tebow. Oakland would kill to have drafted Tebow.

So they could have wasted the 1st round pick sooner?

Oh forgive me. Perhaps they should have traded for Jimmy Claussen. He was only a 2nd rounder. He should hit it big time any day now because all the experts loved him. And if he doesn't perform in 6 years Kiper is going to quit. He was THAT sure.

Why?  Wouldn't that be a waste as well?

[Eja117]

Btw, Raiders now don't have a pick in the first 4 rounds of next year's draft.

Yep and 3 of them went to 3 different QB's

That is amazing. Oh well. If at first you don't succeed trade trade trade

To be fair, Campbell got hurt and Pryor is a big time project, which they knew when they took him.

Add in Boller and JaMarcus Russell and you have just so much QB futility in so interesting a period of time.

And people make fun of Denver for drafting Tebow. Oakland would kill to have drafted Tebow.

So they could have wasted the 1st round pick sooner?

Oh forgive me. Perhaps they should have traded for Jimmy Claussen. He was only a 2nd rounder. He should hit it big time any day now because all the experts loved him. And if he doesn't perform in 6 years Kiper is going to quit. He was THAT sure.

Why?  Wouldn't that be a waste as well?

Well I think it might be a waste but I guess Mel Kiper Jr doesn't. Presumably you wouldn't have to give away as much to get Jimmy. Granted Todd Shay didn't agree with Jimmy

[Eja117]

Tebow inspires fear in defenders. Carson Palmer and Kyle Orton don't. Neither does Colt McCoy and l like that guy

  Tebow completes less than half his passes. You might be exaggerating the fear aspect.

His team has no running game except him.  He is their best RB. 

For all Kyle Orton's 58.7% completion percentage he can't win.  Who gave them a better chance to win last game? Exactly.

Joe Flacco completes less than 52%. Kerry Collins and Blaine Gabbert are under 50%. Nobody says they can't play in this league. Gee. I wonder why.

I'm telling you right now. If various very good Qbs in this league made it clear they liked Jesus the critics would come out of the woodwork.  This is something that will follow Tim his whole career no matter how good he is

  Slow down on the caffeine. I didn't say he didn't belong in the league and my comments had nothing to do with his religion.

I know you weren't saying that. I was trying to make a point about some unfair criticism (and support) of him

[Eja117]

Tebow inspires fear in defenders. Carson Palmer and Kyle Orton don't. Neither does Colt McCoy and l like that guy

  Tebow completes less than half his passes. You might be exaggerating the fear aspect.

His team has no running game except him.  He is their best RB. 

For all Kyle Orton's 58.7% completion percentage he can't win.  Who gave them a better chance to win last game? Exactly.

Joe Flacco completes less than 52%. Kerry Collins and Blaine Gabbert are under 50%. Nobody says they can't play in this league. Gee. I wonder why.

I'm telling you right now. If various very good Qbs in this league made it clear they liked Jesus the critics would come out of the woodwork.  This is something that will follow Tim his whole career no matter how good he is

Joe Flacco is off to a slow start but his first three years in the league he was never below 60% on his completion percentage and his team is 4-1.  Kerry Collins was benched in favor of Curtis Painter.  Blaine Gabbert is a rookie on a terrible team who didn't have training camp and wasn't getting first team reps until 3 weeks ago.  Not exactly similar comparisons. 

I wouldn't exactly call Tebow a better runner then Willis McGahee, who is at 4.5 yards a carry and just under 400 yards.  Not too shabby.

For what it's worth Tebow is averaging 5.3 yards per rush this year and he did last year too, which is pretty good, because for his career Barry Sanders only averaged 5.1.

Not saying he's Barry Sanders at all or that they should consider replacing McGahee with Tebow at RB.

I agree with you that those QBs are a little different.  But not so fast my friend.  Blaine Gabbert and Tebow are a little similar. Both very young with almost no starting experience on not very good teams and Tebow also wasn't getting first string reps till about a week and a half ago. But nobody is saying Blaine Gabbert can't play. But people are already saying Tebow can't.

I don't even think people are saying Jimmy Claussen can't play. I don't think people said JaMarcus Russel ccouldn't play till after year 2. Did they? But people said this about Tebow even when he was doing well and helping his team win when nobody else could.

That's my point. And why is he being treated so differently so quickly? I just think maybe "backlash" is a polite way of saying it.

[wdleehi]

Btw, Raiders now don't have a pick in the first 4 rounds of next year's draft.

Yep and 3 of them went to 3 different QB's

That is amazing. Oh well. If at first you don't succeed trade trade trade

To be fair, Campbell got hurt and Pryor is a big time project, which they knew when they took him.

Add in Boller and JaMarcus Russell and you have just so much QB futility in so interesting a period of time.

And people make fun of Denver for drafting Tebow. Oakland would kill to have drafted Tebow.

So they could have wasted the 1st round pick sooner?

Oh forgive me. Perhaps they should have traded for Jimmy Claussen. He was only a 2nd rounder. He should hit it big time any day now because all the experts loved him. And if he doesn't perform in 6 years Kiper is going to quit. He was THAT sure.

Why?  Wouldn't that be a waste as well?

Well I think it might be a waste but I guess Mel Kiper Jr doesn't. Presumably you wouldn't have to give away as much to get Jimmy. Granted Todd Shay didn't agree with Jimmy

I am just confused on why we are talking about what Kipper said about two QBs that were not traded to the Raiders in the thread about a QB traded to the Raiders. 

[Moranis]

Palmer took a 5 million pay-cut post pro-rata, this season (i.e. 7.5 million pro-rata became 2.5 million).  Rest of contract appears in tact though Raiders did guarantee some more money in the future to get Palmer to do the pay-cut this year.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7128693/oakland-raiders-carson-palmer-took-5-million-pay-cut-season-according-source

[Moranis]

Tebow inspires fear in defenders. Carson Palmer and Kyle Orton don't. Neither does Colt McCoy and l like that guy

  Tebow completes less than half his passes. You might be exaggerating the fear aspect.

His team has no running game except him.  He is their best RB. 

For all Kyle Orton's 58.7% completion percentage he can't win.  Who gave them a better chance to win last game? Exactly.

Joe Flacco completes less than 52%. Kerry Collins and Blaine Gabbert are under 50%. Nobody says they can't play in this league. Gee. I wonder why.

I'm telling you right now. If various very good Qbs in this league made it clear they liked Jesus the critics would come out of the woodwork.  This is something that will follow Tim his whole career no matter how good he is

Joe Flacco is off to a slow start but his first three years in the league he was never below 60% on his completion percentage and his team is 4-1.  Kerry Collins was benched in favor of Curtis Painter.  Blaine Gabbert is a rookie on a terrible team who didn't have training camp and wasn't getting first team reps until 3 weeks ago.  Not exactly similar comparisons. 

I wouldn't exactly call Tebow a better runner then Willis McGahee, who is at 4.5 yards a carry and just under 400 yards.  Not too shabby.

For what it's worth Tebow is averaging 5.3 yards per rush this year and he did last year too, which is pretty good, because for his career Barry Sanders only averaged 5.1.

Not saying he's Barry Sanders at all or that they should consider replacing McGahee with Tebow at RB.

I agree with you that those QBs are a little different.  But not so fast my friend.  Blaine Gabbert and Tebow are a little similar. Both very young with almost no starting experience on not very good teams and Tebow also wasn't getting first string reps till about a week and a half ago. But nobody is saying Blaine Gabbert can't play. But people are already saying Tebow can't.

I don't even think people are saying Jimmy Claussen can't play. I don't think people said JaMarcus Russel ccouldn't play till after year 2. Did they? But people said this about Tebow even when he was doing well and helping his team win when nobody else could.

That's my point. And why is he being treated so differently so quickly? I just think maybe "backlash" is a polite way of saying it.

Tebow's mechanic's are awful.  Even Tebow acknowledges he needs to improve those.  None of those other QB's have awful mechanic's.  No one questions Tebow's leadership or off field qualities, it has always been about his awful mechanic's and whether or not he can succeed with them.  Time will tell on that, but history is on the side of those questioning his mechanic's.  Even guys like Michael Vick and Vince Young (i.e. running QB's with accuracy issues) had NFL type mechanic's when they left college.  Tebow did not.

[Cman]

Not the best outing for Palmer today....

[BballTim]

Not the best outing for Palmer today....

  Two days of practice with a new team after almost a year off, McFadden out of the game and down 21 points when he came in. Not really ideal circumstances.

[Cman]

Not the best outing for Palmer today....

  Two days of practice with a new team after almost a year off, McFadden out of the game and down 21 points when he came in. Not really ideal circumstances.

No, but we'll see how a losing season and zero draft picks  sits with Raider Nation.

[BballTim]

Not the best outing for Palmer today....

  Two days of practice with a new team after almost a year off, McFadden out of the game and down 21 points when he came in. Not really ideal circumstances.

No, but we'll see how a losing season and zero draft picks  sits with Raider Nation.

  They'll probably get a compensatory pick or two, and I wouldn't read too much into that one game as far as predicting a losing season for them.

[Moranis]

Not the best outing for Palmer today....

  Two days of practice with a new team after almost a year off, McFadden out of the game and down 21 points when he came in. Not really ideal circumstances.

No, but we'll see how a losing season and zero draft picks  sits with Raider Nation.

  They'll probably get a compensatory pick or two, and I wouldn't read too much into that one game as far as predicting a losing season for them.

Palmer said after the game he only knew 10% of the playbook and had no idea he would be playing until a few minutes before he went in.  He probably should have been a bit more aware, but considering they were down 21 and without their star running back, he came into the game cold with very little practice time, and not knowing the playbook, I wouldn't be that worried if I was a Raider fan.  Now if he looks that bad after the bye and if McFadden isn't back out there, I'd be more concerned. 

The Raiders will get at least one compensatory pick and probably 2 if not 3. 

[Donoghus]

6 INTs in 6 quarters so far....

[indeedproceed]

6 INTs in 6 quarters so far....

He was way better this week though. While his 3 picks didn't help Oak's defensive effort, having to play from behind without DMC didn't help either. I think Palmer finishes righting the ship next week.

Also, solid fantasy play.

[Donoghus]

6 INTs in 6 quarters so far....

He was way better this week though. While his 3 picks didn't help Oak's defensive effort, having to play from behind without DMC didn't help either. I think Palmer finishes righting the ship next week.

Also, solid fantasy play.

Still, they lost to a dogcrap Denver team.  That's pretty unacceptable when you're trying to win your division and your team goes out and lays an egg like that.  Two weeks in a row now.

They still have the Chargers twice, Packers, Lions, and a Chiefs team that throttled them (at home mind you) last week remaining on the schedule. 

He's gonna have to play better than that if this Raiders team is going to make the playoffs.

If you're trading what is potentially 2 first rounders, you have to get better results than this.