Carson Palmer to Raiders

[Moranis]

Palmer's cap numbers going forward.

Palmer is under contract through 2014, at base salaries of $11.5 million, $11.5 million, $13 million, and $14 million.  The prorated 2011 salary is $7.44 million; as of October 4, the Raiders had $6.1 million in cap space for 2011.

He is going to agree to a restructuring from every account I've read.

[Fafnir]

a definite upgrade

I have my doubts, Palmer hasn't had a good season in years.

I guess it depends on your definition of good.  I mean I consider nearly 4000 yards on just under 62% a good season, but hey what do I know.  Last year he was 6th in yards, 4th in completions & attempts, 9th in TD's, and 3rd in INTs (though Brees was 2nd).  Certainly not an elite season, but certainly not a bad season either.

Is the over the top sarcasm necessary?

They threw the ball a lot in Cinncy last year, but their offense overall was 20th in the league. Their passing offense was 13th in the league by pure yardage, but that was pumped up by the number of attempts when you rated their effiency with regards to turnovers, yards per attempt, etc. they drop back down to below average.

His QB rating was 18th in the league on an individual level, or if you love ESPN their QBR has him at 19th. He's not a good QB anymore, he produced at an average level last year. The two years before that he was worse as he looked like a shell of himself due to injuries.

But he's paid like an elite level QB and they just paid near elite level QB value for him.

[indeedproceed]

They threw the ball a lot in Cinncy last year, but their offense overall was 20th in the league. Their passing offense was 13th in the league by pure yardage, but that was pumped up by the number of attempts when you rated their effiency with regards to turnovers, yards per attempt, etc. they drop back down to below average.

His QB rating was 18th in the league on an individual level, or if you love ESPN their QBR has him at 19th. He's not a good QB anymore, he produced at an average level last year. The two years before that he was worse as he looked like a shell of himself due to injuries.

But he's paid like an elite level QB and they just paid near elite level QB value for him.

You're making this deal on the assumption that Palmer wasn't what was wrong with Cincy. Well...YOU'RE not making this deal, but the people doing the deal makin'.

[Fafnir]

They threw the ball a lot in Cinncy last year, but their offense overall was 20th in the league. Their passing offense was 13th in the league by pure yardage, but that was pumped up by the number of attempts when you rated their effiency with regards to turnovers, yards per attempt, etc. they drop back down to below average.

His QB rating was 18th in the league on an individual level, or if you love ESPN their QBR has him at 19th. He's not a good QB anymore, he produced at an average level last year. The two years before that he was worse as he looked like a shell of himself due to injuries.

But he's paid like an elite level QB and they just paid near elite level QB value for him.

You're making this deal on the assumption that Palmer wasn't what was wrong with Cincy. Well...YOU'RE not making this deal, but the people doing the deal makin'.

Yeah they clearly think he must be getting healthy again. I just wouldn't want to pay that much for a QB who's elbow has been an issue. They essentially don't have a draft next year, that's a scary prospect in and of itself.

[Moranis]

a definite upgrade

I have my doubts, Palmer hasn't had a good season in years.

I guess it depends on your definition of good.  I mean I consider nearly 4000 yards on just under 62% a good season, but hey what do I know.  Last year he was 6th in yards, 4th in completions & attempts, 9th in TD's, and 3rd in INTs (though Brees was 2nd).  Certainly not an elite season, but certainly not a bad season either.

Is the over the top sarcasm necessary?

They threw the ball a lot in Cinncy last year, but their offense overall was 20th in the league. Their passing offense was 13th in the league by pure yardage, but that was pumped up by the number of attempts when you rated their effiency with regards to turnovers, yards per attempt, etc. they drop back down to below average.

His QB rating was 18th in the league on an individual level, or if you love ESPN their QBR has him at 19th. He's not a good QB anymore, he produced at an average level last year. The two years before that he was worse as he looked like a shell of himself due to injuries.

But he's paid like an elite level QB and they just paid near elite level QB value for him.

They threw a lot because the defense was awful and they couldn't run the ball.  Couple that with a bad offensive line and 2 starting WR's that are notorious for dropping balls (19 combined last year alone) and running the wrong routes and Carson was actually quite good. 

In 2009 the Bengals were 10-6 with a strong running attack and the 6th rated scoring defense, which of course led to Palmer having a much more efficient season (higher rating, strong QB/INT ratio, etc.).

Palmer is a good QB.  He isn't elite, but he is good.  The Bengals are just a train wreck of an organization, which is why he wanted out so badly.

[Moranis]

They threw the ball a lot in Cinncy last year, but their offense overall was 20th in the league. Their passing offense was 13th in the league by pure yardage, but that was pumped up by the number of attempts when you rated their effiency with regards to turnovers, yards per attempt, etc. they drop back down to below average.

His QB rating was 18th in the league on an individual level, or if you love ESPN their QBR has him at 19th. He's not a good QB anymore, he produced at an average level last year. The two years before that he was worse as he looked like a shell of himself due to injuries.

But he's paid like an elite level QB and they just paid near elite level QB value for him.

You're making this deal on the assumption that Palmer wasn't what was wrong with Cincy. Well...YOU'RE not making this deal, but the people doing the deal makin'.

Yeah they clearly think he must be getting healthy again. I just wouldn't want to pay that much for a QB who's elbow has been an issue. They essentially don't have a draft next year, that's a scary prospect in and of itself.

Palmer played and started in all 33 games the Bengals played in 2009 and 2010.  I don't think there are any lingering injury concerns with him.  He is what he is at this point.

[Donoghus]

They threw the ball a lot in Cinncy last year, but their offense overall was 20th in the league. Their passing offense was 13th in the league by pure yardage, but that was pumped up by the number of attempts when you rated their effiency with regards to turnovers, yards per attempt, etc. they drop back down to below average.

His QB rating was 18th in the league on an individual level, or if you love ESPN their QBR has him at 19th. He's not a good QB anymore, he produced at an average level last year. The two years before that he was worse as he looked like a shell of himself due to injuries.

But he's paid like an elite level QB and they just paid near elite level QB value for him.

You're making this deal on the assumption that Palmer wasn't what was wrong with Cincy. Well...YOU'RE not making this deal, but the people doing the deal makin'.

Yeah they clearly think he must be getting healthy again. I just wouldn't want to pay that much for a QB who's elbow has been an issue. They essentially don't have a draft next year, that's a scary prospect in and of itself.

Yeah, its the price that's the biggest issue to me.  On paper, unless Palmer seriously steps it up from his past few seasons, the Raiders overpaid.  Plain & simple.  First rounders are a pretty valuable commodity in today's NFL.  Potentially giving up two for a guy with plenty of question marks isn't the smartest move in my mind. Is Palmer really a top ten QB in the NFL anymore?

Raiders are making one heckuva gamble here.

[Donoghus]

Btw, Raiders now don't have a pick in the first 4 rounds of next year's draft.

[Moranis]

Btw, Raiders now don't have a pick in the first 4 rounds of next year's draft.

Yep and 3 of them went to 3 different QB's

[Moranis]

They threw the ball a lot in Cinncy last year, but their offense overall was 20th in the league. Their passing offense was 13th in the league by pure yardage, but that was pumped up by the number of attempts when you rated their effiency with regards to turnovers, yards per attempt, etc. they drop back down to below average.

His QB rating was 18th in the league on an individual level, or if you love ESPN their QBR has him at 19th. He's not a good QB anymore, he produced at an average level last year. The two years before that he was worse as he looked like a shell of himself due to injuries.

But he's paid like an elite level QB and they just paid near elite level QB value for him.

You're making this deal on the assumption that Palmer wasn't what was wrong with Cincy. Well...YOU'RE not making this deal, but the people doing the deal makin'.

Yeah they clearly think he must be getting healthy again. I just wouldn't want to pay that much for a QB who's elbow has been an issue. They essentially don't have a draft next year, that's a scary prospect in and of itself.

Yeah, its the price that's the biggest issue to me.  On paper, unless Palmer seriously steps it up from his past few seasons, the Raiders overpaid.  Plain & simple.  First rounders are a pretty valuable commodity in today's NFL.  Potentially giving up two for a guy with plenty of question marks isn't the smartest move in my mind. Is Palmer really a top ten QB in the NFL anymore?

Raiders are making one heckuva gamble here.

He will get a restructured contract because the Raiders don't want to cut anyone.  Maybe it is more guaranteed but less overall money or something to that effect, which may help the price aspect.

[Fafnir]

They threw the ball a lot in Cinncy last year, but their offense overall was 20th in the league. Their passing offense was 13th in the league by pure yardage, but that was pumped up by the number of attempts when you rated their effiency with regards to turnovers, yards per attempt, etc. they drop back down to below average.

His QB rating was 18th in the league on an individual level, or if you love ESPN their QBR has him at 19th. He's not a good QB anymore, he produced at an average level last year. The two years before that he was worse as he looked like a shell of himself due to injuries.

But he's paid like an elite level QB and they just paid near elite level QB value for him.

You're making this deal on the assumption that Palmer wasn't what was wrong with Cincy. Well...YOU'RE not making this deal, but the people doing the deal makin'.

Yeah they clearly think he must be getting healthy again. I just wouldn't want to pay that much for a QB who's elbow has been an issue. They essentially don't have a draft next year, that's a scary prospect in and of itself.

Palmer played and started in all 33 games the Bengals played in 2009 and 2010.  I don't think there are any lingering injury concerns with him.  He is what he is at this point.

In the 2009 season his elbow bothered him for most of the second half of the season, his arm strength was gone.

You can see it in the decline in his play the last 3 or so months of the season that year.

[Moranis]

They threw the ball a lot in Cinncy last year, but their offense overall was 20th in the league. Their passing offense was 13th in the league by pure yardage, but that was pumped up by the number of attempts when you rated their effiency with regards to turnovers, yards per attempt, etc. they drop back down to below average.

His QB rating was 18th in the league on an individual level, or if you love ESPN their QBR has him at 19th. He's not a good QB anymore, he produced at an average level last year. The two years before that he was worse as he looked like a shell of himself due to injuries.

But he's paid like an elite level QB and they just paid near elite level QB value for him.

You're making this deal on the assumption that Palmer wasn't what was wrong with Cincy. Well...YOU'RE not making this deal, but the people doing the deal makin'.

Yeah they clearly think he must be getting healthy again. I just wouldn't want to pay that much for a QB who's elbow has been an issue. They essentially don't have a draft next year, that's a scary prospect in and of itself.

Palmer played and started in all 33 games the Bengals played in 2009 and 2010.  I don't think there are any lingering injury concerns with him.  He is what he is at this point.

In the 2009 season his elbow bothered him for most of the second half of the season, his arm strength was gone.

You can see it in the decline in his play the last 3 or so months of the season that year.

but that was 2 years ago when he was coming off the injury.  He played all of last year without incident. 

[Fan from VT]

Man, I was just wondering what the Pats could get from oakland for Hoyer once I learned of campbell's injury. Then i saw this. I was hoping the pats could get a 3rd rounder and one good, solid defensive player, but no such luck. Maybe Washington??

[wdleehi]

They threw the ball a lot in Cinncy last year, but their offense overall was 20th in the league. Their passing offense was 13th in the league by pure yardage, but that was pumped up by the number of attempts when you rated their effiency with regards to turnovers, yards per attempt, etc. they drop back down to below average.

His QB rating was 18th in the league on an individual level, or if you love ESPN their QBR has him at 19th. He's not a good QB anymore, he produced at an average level last year. The two years before that he was worse as he looked like a shell of himself due to injuries.

But he's paid like an elite level QB and they just paid near elite level QB value for him.

You're making this deal on the assumption that Palmer wasn't what was wrong with Cincy. Well...YOU'RE not making this deal, but the people doing the deal makin'.

Yeah they clearly think he must be getting healthy again. I just wouldn't want to pay that much for a QB who's elbow has been an issue. They essentially don't have a draft next year, that's a scary prospect in and of itself.

Palmer played and started in all 33 games the Bengals played in 2009 and 2010.  I don't think there are any lingering injury concerns with him.  He is what he is at this point.

In the 2009 season his elbow bothered him for most of the second half of the season, his arm strength was gone.

You can see it in the decline in his play the last 3 or so months of the season that year.

but that was 2 years ago when he was coming off the injury.  He played all of last year without incident. 

The issue with the injury was he didn't take the doctors advice and have surgery.  His arm has been weaker ever since.



When he is in game shape, he will help the Raiders win games this year.  All he has to do is keep run defenses honest by keep the Raiders deep passing threat alive. 

He doesn't have to win games for the Raiders.  He has to manage the offense and lean heavily on the big o line and big running game. 

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Stupid trade by the Raiders. (Im from the Bay Area and this is the talk of the town right now.)

Carson Palmer is a really good QB, but not for two 1st rounders.

He's not the Pro bowl QB that we know. Coming from injuries. He can be productive but the Raiders gave up too much.

They should've just went with Vince Young, maybe they can get him much cheaper. He's like another Jason Campbell, maybe better.

What do they do with Campbell now after he heals up. Just let him walk? The late Al (RIP) would not do this trade.