Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! FBB H2H League: 2012 Preseason: Constitution Up!

[Roy H.]

Sorry, been caught up in trade talks of my own.

I was under the impression that draft position for finalists (and lottery teams) only applies to the 1st round, and that the 2nd round is dictated by reverse order of regular season standings.

If the conditions on the pick's protection kick in, do Toine's Boys receive something else, or are they simply out of luck?

from what I understand, in the revised version of this deal, to get the pick Roy has to both finish in the top 2 in the regular season standing and make the finals. If that happens then I'm out of luck, he gets the pick and I don't get anything else instead.

Yep, that's my understanding, as well.

Basically, if I don't dominate start to finish, HP gets the pick.

[Birdman]

Okay, Im loaded at the SF position...so if u need a SF, let me know

[Roy H.]

Kane, hurry up and confirm the first deal.

[Gainesville Celtic]

Toine's Boys send Matt Bonner, Nate the Great, and the naturals #2(top 38 protected, ie if Roy misses the finals then I keep the pick) for Kyle Singler

wow... more highway robbery by the Nats 2 low-end rotation guys or a player Roy would have probably had to cut anyways?

sigh 

[hpantazo]

Toine's Boys send Matt Bonner, Nate the Great, and the naturals #2(top 38 protected, ie if Roy misses the finals then I keep the pick) for Kyle Singler

wow... more highway robbery by the Nats 2 low-end rotation guys or a player Roy would have probably had to cut anyways?

sigh  

Well, those guys were not in my plans and I put them on the block and did not receive many other offers, so I was glad to get what I got out of it. Low end rotation guys past 30 don't have much value to a rebuilding team like mine.

[barefacedmonk]

Kane, hurry up and confirm the first deal.

Is it a 3 way?

[Roy H.]

Toine's Boys send Matt Bonner, Nate the Great, and the naturals #2(top 38 protected, ie if Roy misses the finals then I keep the pick) for Kyle Singler

wow... more highway robbery by the Nats 2 low-end rotation guys or a player Roy would have probably had to cut anyways?

sigh  

Well, I'm not sure that Bonner and Nate can ever be considered highway robbery.  

Also, I really like Singler, and definitely wasn't cutting him.  I value him more highly individually than Nate Robinson, and probably Bonner as well (although I needed a PF/C, so maybe not).

That said, if you really like Bonner and Robinson, make me an offer.

[Roy H.]

Kane, hurry up and confirm the first deal.

Is it a 3 way?

Since I'm getting the pick included in the deal (albeit heavily protected), we have to wait for the first deal to go through.  So, sort of a 3-way deal.

[Gainesville Celtic]

Sorry, been caught up in trade talks of my own.

I was under the impression that draft position for finalists (and lottery teams) only applies to the 1st round, and that the 2nd round is dictated by reverse order of regular season standings.

If the conditions on the pick's protection kick in, do Toine's Boys receive something else, or are they simply out of luck?

from what I understand, in the revised version of this deal, to get the pick Roy has to both finish in the top 2 in the regular season standing and make the finals. If that happens then I'm out of luck, he gets the pick and I don't get anything else instead.

Roy has to finish the regular season in 1st or 2nd place to get the pick.... anything else Toine's Boys gets the pick.

Playoffs have no bearing on the 2nd round pick order.

[hpantazo]

Sorry, been caught up in trade talks of my own.

I was under the impression that draft position for finalists (and lottery teams) only applies to the 1st round, and that the 2nd round is dictated by reverse order of regular season standings.

If the conditions on the pick's protection kick in, do Toine's Boys receive something else, or are they simply out of luck?

from what I understand, in the revised version of this deal, to get the pick Roy has to both finish in the top 2 in the regular season standing and make the finals. If that happens then I'm out of luck, he gets the pick and I don't get anything else instead.

Roy has to finish the regular season in 1st or 2nd place to get the pick.... anything else Toine's Boys gets the pick.

Playoffs have no bearing on the 2nd round pick order.

They do in this deal. Roy specified in the protection that he must finish in the top 2 in the regular season AND make the finals to get the pick

[Roy H.]

Sorry, been caught up in trade talks of my own.

I was under the impression that draft position for finalists (and lottery teams) only applies to the 1st round, and that the 2nd round is dictated by reverse order of regular season standings.

If the conditions on the pick's protection kick in, do Toine's Boys receive something else, or are they simply out of luck?

from what I understand, in the revised version of this deal, to get the pick Roy has to both finish in the top 2 in the regular season standing and make the finals. If that happens then I'm out of luck, he gets the pick and I don't get anything else instead.

Roy has to finish the regular season in 1st or 2nd place to get the pick.... anything else Toine's Boys gets the pick.

Playoffs have no bearing on the 2nd round pick order.

We added another condition just for giggles, that I have to make the Finals, as well.  Basically, we're setting the bar super-high for HP to have to give up the pick.

Also, I like to make these trades as complicated as humanly possible for Lucky. 

[Gainesville Celtic]

Sorry, been caught up in trade talks of my own.

I was under the impression that draft position for finalists (and lottery teams) only applies to the 1st round, and that the 2nd round is dictated by reverse order of regular season standings.

If the conditions on the pick's protection kick in, do Toine's Boys receive something else, or are they simply out of luck?

from what I understand, in the revised version of this deal, to get the pick Roy has to both finish in the top 2 in the regular season standing and make the finals. If that happens then I'm out of luck, he gets the pick and I don't get anything else instead.

Roy has to finish the regular season in 1st or 2nd place to get the pick.... anything else Toine's Boys gets the pick.

Playoffs have no bearing on the 2nd round pick order.

They do in this deal. Roy specified in the protection that he must finish in the top 2 in the regular season AND make the finals to get the pick

Oh, OK, sorry about adding to any confusion.

[hpantazo]

Sorry, been caught up in trade talks of my own.

I was under the impression that draft position for finalists (and lottery teams) only applies to the 1st round, and that the 2nd round is dictated by reverse order of regular season standings.

If the conditions on the pick's protection kick in, do Toine's Boys receive something else, or are they simply out of luck?

from what I understand, in the revised version of this deal, to get the pick Roy has to both finish in the top 2 in the regular season standing and make the finals. If that happens then I'm out of luck, he gets the pick and I don't get anything else instead.

Roy has to finish the regular season in 1st or 2nd place to get the pick.... anything else Toine's Boys gets the pick.

Playoffs have no bearing on the 2nd round pick order.

They do in this deal. Roy specified in the protection that he must finish in the top 2 in the regular season AND make the finals to get the pick

Oh, OK, sorry about adding to any confusion.

that's ok, I think it was just Roy's way of seeing how convinced I really am that he's a lock to dominate this year

[Lucky17]

I've processed the following trades:

Toine's Boys send Nick Collison
Webskins send Joel Przybilla and Naturals' 2012 2nd rounder

Toine's Boys send Matt Bonner, Nate Robinson, and Naturals' 2012 2nd rounder (top-38 protected)
Naturals send Kyle Singler

[Roy H.]

Dwight Howard
Amare Stoudemire
Deron Williams
Carlos Boozer
Paul Pierce
Tony Parker
Jrue Holiday
Danilo Gallinari
Jared Dudley
Carlos Delfino
J.R. Smith
J.J. Redick
Ryan Anderson
Kwame Brown
Matt Bonner
Nate Robinson
Avery Bradley
Justin Harper
Brad Miller
Naturals #1 (right to swap with MK and/or Edgar)
MK's #2
Naturals #2 (top-38 protected; Naturals must make Finals to exercise pick)

"Core" players are in red; they're moveable, but it's going to take a high price.  Other guys, I'll move them for fair value (although my definition of fair might be different than yours ).