Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! FBB H2H League: 2012 Preseason: Constitution Up!

[hpantazo]

I'm looking to package the 17th pick with a player to move up into the 8-12 range. If anyone is interested, shoot me an offer.

If someone has two 1st rounders and wants to move up to #3, I'm also willing to consider trading the #3 and #17 to get two picks in the 6-12 range.

[Lucky17]

I'll try to update a roster sheet soon. Might start on that today; will definitely have it done before the Finals end.

[Gainesville Celtic]

The Gainesville Ubuntu's are always looking to wheel/deal:

Al Harrington
Al Jefferson
Andrei Kirilenko
C.J. Miles
Chris Singleton
Chuck Hayes
Daniel Gibson
Drew Gooden
Earl Watson
Elton Brand
Joe Johnson
Kenyon Martin
Metta World Peace
Mo Williams
Rudy Fernandez
Russell Westbrook

Pick #22
Pick #38

[Lucky17]

So, I've updated the picks sheet to also include rosters.

Now I'm trying to replace all of the picks information with actual numbered picks. Having a difficult time making sense of the late 2nd round. Here's what I think I have so far:

#pick   held by     via
21   KWhit10       Toine's Boys
22   Gainesville Celtics   Make Me Some Bacon
23   Birdman       Juggernauts2
24   GomesFan   GomesFan
25   KWhit10 swap   The Rusted Rims
26   Rubio&Friends   Rubio&Friends
27   Lucky17       Lucky17
28   LarryBird17   Larry Bird 17
29   Birdman       Birdman
30   blake       blake
31   MMSB       Webskins
32   Toines Boys   Gainesville Celtics
33   DesDrinkers   Utah Flash
34   Rusted Rims   Kwhit10
35   Kwhit10       Designated Drinkers
36   Password is taco   Password is taco (Champkind)
37   Utah Flash   Ya'll Hate
38   DraftDodgers   Draft Dodgers
39   Gainesville Celtics   Harden's Homeboys (Rondo2287)
40   GomesFan   The Boxer Rebellion (Naturals)

Things get pear-shaped towards the end of the 2nd, thanks to the following trades:

35 Designated Drinkers trade Metta World Peace and the right to swap the better of GC/YH's 2nd with Rondo's 2nd --> Toine's Boys trades Naturals 2nd, and lesser 2nd rounder between Y'all Hate and Gainesville Celtic's 2nds    

36    Toine's Boys send Aaron Brooks, Glen Davis, Kyle Singler, Lucky's 2nd and the better of YH/GC's 2nd (negates conditions in #35) --> Make Me Some Bacon send Ed Davis, Marreese Speights, Bismack Biyombo, and Tyler Honeycutt    

37    Gainesville Celtics trade Reggie Williams and Utah Flash 1st --> Designated Drinkers trade Udonis Haslem, TJ Ford and Rondo2287 2nd

Any ideas?

Edit: just found a trade that was left off the list, giving Bacon's 2nd rounder to GC via Webskins.

[celtsrp33]

Here is my team.  Willing to trade anyone and any pick for the right offer.  You guys know me - let's swing a deal!  

Jonny Flynn
(Por - PG)
MarShon Brooks
(NJ - SG,SF)
Marco Belinelli
(NO - SG)
Chase Budinger
(Hou - SG,SF)
Derrick Brown
(Cha - SF,PF)
Ed Davis
(Tor - PF,C)
Taj Gibson
(Chi - PF)
Byron Mullens
(Cha - PF,C)
Jason Maxiell
(Det - PF,C)
Jeremy Tyler
(GS - C)
Wes Johnson
(Min - SG,SF)
Nikola Vucevic
(Phi - PF,C)
Chris Douglas-Roberts
(Mil - SG,SF)
Kyle Singler
(Det - SF)
Al Horford
(Atl - PF,C)
E'Twaun Moore
(Bos - PG,SG) No new player Notes

Picks #2, #15, #18, #19, #31

[Birdman]

Just curious and i know its early but Lucky, do u know when our draft will be or any idea yet. thanks

[The Walker Wiggle]

Just curious and i know its early but Lucky, do u know when our draft will be or any idea yet. thanks.

We'd typically hold the draft in early October, two to three weeks before the start of the season. Why not open trading up a week before that?

FOUR MONTHS of preseason trading is only going to lead to lots of lopsided trades amidst so much roster uncertainy.

Also, everyone should keep in mind that one of our managers is no longer on the forums, I assume you can get touch with him via the Yahoo league page if trading does kick off in July.

[The Walker Wiggle]

Things get pear-shaped towards the end of the 2nd, thanks to the following trades

Well, if I understand the trades posted, at the time of Trade #35 the Designated Drinkers held Harden's Homeboys 2nd and Toine's Boys held the Boxer Rebellion's 2nd, Y'all Hate's 2nd, and the Gainesville Celtics' 2nd.

If that's right? Then the Designated Drinkers received Y'all Hate's pick, as well as the Boxer Rebellion's 2nd. Begging the question, what trade eventually landed the Utah Flash that 2nd round pick? Or Gomes Fan the Boxer Rebellion's 2nd?

Now in Trade #36, Toine's Boys immediately sacrifices the right-to-swap gained in trade #35 (not too great a sacrifice as Harden's Homeboys finished with the league's second best record) by sending Gainesville Celtics' 2nd to Make Me Some Bacon. That's not currently reflected in the 2nd round draft order. Nor is any trade of your 2nd round pick, Lucky? Potentially both belong to Celtsrp33, Make Me Some Bacon.

Now given that Toine's Boys sacrificed his right-to-swap in Trade #36 that freed up the Designated Drinkers to trade Harden's Homeboys' 2nd to Gainesville Celtics. (No problem there at least.)

So,

21. Kwhit10 (via Toine's Boys)
22. Webskins (via Make Me Some Bacon)
23. Birdman (via Juggernauts)
24. GomesFan
25. Kwhit10 (via Rusted Rims)
26. Rubio & Friends
27. Lucky17
28. Larry Bird 17
29. Birdman
30. Blake
31. Make Me Some Bacon (via Webskins)
32. Gainesville Celtics - Shouldn't belong to Toine's Boys. Make Me Some Bacon's?
33. Designated Drinkers (via Utah Flash)
34. Rusted Rims (via Kwhit10)
35. Kwhit10 (via Designated Drinkers)
36. Password is Taco
37. Utah Flash (via Ya'll Hate)
38. Draft Dodgers
39. Gainesville Celtics (via Harden's Homeboys)
40. GomesFan (via Boxer Rebellion)

Picks still under discussion are bolded.

[Birdman]

Great job to Lucky and Walker Wiggle for keeping track of all the moves

[Lucky17]

Nice work, Dubs. I'll parse through this tomorrow, but I'm confident you've got this.

There are another 30 trades or so after the ones under discussion above.

I got my 2nd back via the following:

56  Lucky 17 trades Al Horford, Mario Chalmers, Taj Gibson, and Yall Hate 1st --> Make Me Some Bacon trades Jeff Teague, Kris Humphries, Jermaine O'Neal, and Lucky17 2nd

Gomesfan got the Boxers' 2nd via the following:

46 Lucky17 trades Marquis Daniels and Naturals 2nd --> Gomesfan trades Will Bynum

Here's how the lesser of GC's/YH's 2nd rounder (YH's, the #37) ends up with Utah Flash:

60 Utah Flash trades Chris Singleton and Jeff Green --> Toine's Boys trades Jerryd Bayless and lesser of Yall Hate and Gainesville Celtics 2nds

So, just need to figure out the #32.

[The Walker Wiggle]

Nice work, Dubs. I'll parse through this tomorrow, but I'm confident you've got this...

So, just need to figure out the #32.

Thanks boss. But I think the trades posted above settle it. Assuming the 32nd pick doesn't show up in another later trade, it belongs to Make Me Some Bacon via Toine's Boys. That would make some sense at it wasn't attributed to either Toine's Boys or the Gainesville Celtics on the end-of-season Google document.

So final order of the second round would be -

21. Kwhit10 (via Toine's Boys)
22. Webskins (via Make Me Some Bacon)
23. Birdman (via Juggernauts)
24. GomesFan
25. Kwhit10 (via Rusted Rims)
26. Rubio & Friends
27. Lucky17
28. Larry Bird 17
29. Birdman
30. Blake
31. Make Me Some Bacon (via Webskins)
32. Make Me Some Bacon (via Gainesville Celtics)
33. Designated Drinkers (via Utah Flash)
34. Rusted Rims (via Kwhit10)
35. Kwhit10 (via Designated Drinkers)
36. Password is Taco
37. Utah Flash (via Ya'll Hate)
38. Draft Dodgers
39. Gainesville Celtics (via Harden's Homeboys)
40. GomesFan (via Boxer Rebellion)

[The Walker Wiggle]

And full draft order should be -

1. GomesFan
2. Make Me Some Bacon (via Toine's Boys)
3. Toine's Boys (via Make Me Some Bacon)
4. Boxer Rebellion (via Juggernauts)
5. Rusted Rims
6. Rubio & Friends
7. Y'all Hate (via Lucky17)
8. Larry Bird 17
9. Birdman
10. Designated Drinkers (via Blake)
11. Rusted Rims (via Webskins)
12. Rusted Rims (via Gainesville Celtics)
13. Juggernauts (via Utah Flash)
14. Kwhit10
15. Make Me Some Bacon (via Designated Drinkers)
16. Password is Taco
17. Toine's Boys (via Harden's Homeboys)
18. Make Me Some Bacon (via Boxer Rebellion)
19. Make Me Some Bacon (via Ya'll Hate)
20. Rusted Rims (via Draft Dodgers)

21. Kwhit10 (via Toine's Boys)
22. Webskins (via Make Me Some Bacon)
23. Birdman (via Juggernauts)
24. GomesFan
25. Kwhit10 (via Rusted Rims)
26. Rubio & Friends
27. Lucky17
28. Larry Bird 17
29. Birdman
30. Blake
31. Make Me Some Bacon (via Webskins)
32. Make Me Some Bacon (via Gainesville Celtics)
33. Designated Drinkers (via Utah Flash)
34. Rusted Rims (via Kwhit10)
35. Kwhit10 (via Designated Drinkers)
36. Password is Taco
37. Utah Flash (via Ya'll Hate)
38. Draft Dodgers
39. Gainesville Celtics (via Harden's Homeboys)
40. GomesFan (via Boxer Rebellion)

[Rondo2287]

Harden
Jamison
Amir Johnson
Bass
Bynum
David West
Shaun Marion
Kevin Martin
Chris Bosh

Are all available.  If somebody has multiple draft picks, hit me up

[Kwhit10]

I'd be willing to move picks 21, 25, and 35 all or a combo for lower pick or a player.

[Gainesville Celtic]

And full draft order should be -

1. GomesFan
2. Make Me Some Bacon (via Toine's Boys)
3. Toine's Boys (via Make Me Some Bacon)
4. Boxer Rebellion (via Juggernauts)
5. Rusted Rims
6. Rubio & Friends
7. Y'all Hate (via Lucky17)
8. Larry Bird 17
9. Birdman
10. Designated Drinkers (via Blake)
11. Rusted Rims (via Webskins)
12. Rusted Rims (via Gainesville Celtics)
13. Juggernauts (via Utah Flash)
14. Kwhit10
15. Make Me Some Bacon (via Designated Drinkers)
16. Password is Taco
17. Toine's Boys (via Harden's Homeboys)
18. Make Me Some Bacon (via Boxer Rebellion)
19. Make Me Some Bacon (via Ya'll Hate)
20. Rusted Rims (via Draft Dodgers)

21. Kwhit10 (via Toine's Boys)
22. Gainesville Celtics Webskins (via Make Me Some Bacon)
23. Birdman (via Juggernauts)
24. GomesFan
25. Kwhit10 (via Rusted Rims)
26. Rubio & Friends
27. Lucky17
28. Larry Bird 17
29. Birdman
30. Blake
31. Make Me Some Bacon (via Webskins)
32. Make Me Some Bacon (via Gainesville Celtics)
33. Designated Drinkers (via Utah Flash)
34. Rusted Rims (via Kwhit10)
35. Kwhit10 (via Designated Drinkers)
36. Password is Taco
37. Utah Flash (via Ya'll Hate)
38. Draft Dodgers
39. Gainesville Celtics (via Harden's Homeboys)
40. GomesFan (via Boxer Rebellion)

I know I said I'd look through my notes (i just haven't had the time yet).

HOWEVAH, the Gainesville Celtics own the #22 pick via our trade deadline deal:

Gainesville Celtics trade Udonis Haslem

Webskins trade Earl Watson, MMSB's 2nd